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Off-topic : As a non-anglo-saxon, I've seen stuff on the whole "dating" concept and its subtleties, and it absolutely flies over my head. I've been in a relationship for more than ten years and we never got engaged. That's neither here nor there though. On topic : It's relevant to the character because it was, of sorts, a comedy spot in a pro-wrestling match also, as he used it to actually get her in a small package and pin her, classic heel move. So it was both cute IRL and funny as a gag. Ryan is a comedy pro-wrestler, and a pretty good one at that. End of story.

Not very funny, that, either. Quarter star for effort. BTW, not finding Joey Ryan's dick spot funny is one thing. Totally understand. Well, I think it is funny, but then again, I'm a Raven fan. Getting outraged because of it and saying it's an embarrassement to pro-wrestling and shit is another. This is the ridiculous part.

I don't care if some people thought it was funny or not. This is completely different. Vince Russo booked illogical shit, offensive stuff and violence against women and effectively killed off whatever was left of WCW and prevented TNA from ever growing past of its status because of it. Joey Ryan is an indy comedy wrestler who does an absurd gag spot. Get over it people. And yeah proposing his girlfirend during a match is relevant to the whole character, because it was also a spot in the context of a pro-wrestling match, and quite a cool one at that. (and since we're playing a "morality game" here it seems, yeah, those Dynamite Kid matches were awesome, weren't they ? Of course, the man was/is a complete piece of shit, but that never was considered an embarrassament to pro-wrestling, that biz where Jimmy Snuka gets a hero tribute video) As far as making pro-wrestling look stupid ? Watching Ric Flair placing the hand of his opponent on his chest before taking the same damn bump for no other reason other than "pop the crowd" makes pro-wrestling look stupid to anyone willing to think about it for two second with an "out of the wrestling bubble" mind. Hulk Hogan is stupid as fuck (really, he looks like a giant jingoist clown injected with steroids doing bad pantonyme). The Undertaker zombi sit-up ? John Cena's Five Knuckle Shuffle ? The People's Elbow ? Kicking yourself hard in the face until you bleed or get concussions like Shibata used to do ? Jumping off the Cell through the announcers table ? Mr. Socko ? Guys in masks carefuly rolling around doing gymnastics and very obviously collaborating with each others ? Men in underwear slapping each others' chests with open hands ? Working "stiff" despite not actually being in a fight ? A fucking Irish-whip ? "Do you smeeeellllalalala what the Rock is cooking" ? Playing on xenophobic, homophobic, mysoginistic clichés ? Cutting your forehead with a razor to draw blood to pretend you were punched hard ? Actually punch a guy hard to draw blood to pretend you punched a guy hard ? A fat man sith a G-string sitting on another guy's face ? Giant Baba's chops ? Guys catching other guys doing jumps and flips over the top rope instead of moving ? For fuck's sake. Pro-fucking-wrestling. It's a gag. With a dick spot hulking up. It's funny because it's absurd. And harmless. Get over it. (I probably spent more time today talking about Joey Ryan than I actually ever did watching Joey Ryan's stuff. And by "stuff" I don't mean anything specific.)

What did he not accomplish exactly ? He makes a living doing what he loves, got over, got fans, didn't hurt anyone doing it, proposed his girlfriend, a fellow worker, during a match, which is quite the cool thing to do. That sounds like all good and fun to me. So yeah, the outrage and vapors are quite funny. And ridiculous. Mostly ridiculous.

Joey Ryan certainly draws money for himself as he's one of the guy who doesn't need the "sweet" NXT deals to get around, get over and live his life as a pro-wrestler in 2017. More power to him. He's as pro-wrestling as anyone I've ever seen, really.

The inability to laugh at yourself, or the things you love, is a pretty sad thing in general. People are taking this stuff way too seriously. Plus, if you really think about it, the Dick Spot is nothing but an absurd gag using one of the most unrealistic, stupid as fuck spot in pro-wrestling anyway, the Hulking Up. There's nothing more ridiculous than Hulking Up. Joey Ryan does a comedic version of it in the context of his own sleazy character and it's quite funny. Low brow ? Like pro-wrestling is anything but. This spot is kinda like burlesque. You don't have to find it funny, but to say it's an embarrassement to pro-wrestling is just taking shit way too fucking seriously. And really, Joey Ryan found a gimmick spot, it sells tickets and merch, gives him booking, gets him over. That's what pro-wrestling is all about. And he did it by himself too, without a promotionnal machine or "creative writers" finding "stuff for him to do". FWIW, I didn't even knew about Ryan dick spot before someone talked about it on this board, he doesn't use it in Lucha Underground where I saw the guy for the first time. He's a perfectly fine worker too, it's not like he's Jimmy the Boogie Woogie Man Valliant or some old-school respectable serious worker of that ilk. Indeed...

I am way funnier than GAMI IRL. Also, I guess those two indian guys aren't very well trained, because Randy Orton sure took great care of them too lately.

She rolled outside because Nia just dropped her carelessly straight on her shoulder from that double-winged hold thingy. It's very obvious, and ugly, when you look at the footage. (if you can't protect your opponent, you should probably not do the move at all) Then again, if Vinny Massaro says otherwise... Well, wait a minute, who the fuck is Vinny Massaro already ?

I must admit, although his Corny doesn't really sound like Corny, it totally cracks me up at this point when he goes into the "double cheese" tirade.

He got himself over with a comedy spot, hurts no one, contributed to create a promotion that gives indy guys some work, proposed his girlfriend in the middle of a match... That makes Joey Ryan better than a whole lot of guys in pro-wrestling to me.

Damn, even in Twitter trolling battles, Corbin is dull, lame and shows no charisma.

That was a stroke of genius. Speaking of current worker that should get a real song, Sasha Banks really deserves this :

USA : The Attitude Era.

I'm amazed every time I see RF is still doing the same godawful interviews he has been doing for more than 15 years now. Who pays for that shit ? ("he broke his own leg trying to counter a wristlock" Holy shit.)

Oh yeah. X ! Gotta love that Onita would pick a Los Angeles cult punk band version of a classic rock song as his theme song. I always had a thing for really creepy stuff, and Jim Johnston did quite a few of these in the 90's. The Mankind dual themes was brillant (it seems like this period, which is really the highlight of Foley's work in WWF to me has been forgotten a bit because it came just before the Attitude Era) of course. Also loved Doink (the schyzo one, not the fucking circus) and Waylon Mercy, which was wonderful and minimalistic and really fucking shilling. Brian Pillman's theme was also quite the piece of work, dissonant and droning in parts, with the eerie piano melody in the middle. The 00's really signified the end of cool music themes in general, with a shitloads of generic neo-metal (way after the fact) shit during the decade.

Oh, then yes, totally on board with you on that one.

Which is probably why Tod Gordon has been pretty much forgotten and erased from "official" (aka WWE) ECW history, despite the fact he was an essential part. To this day, you can read people dismissing Gordon as "the guy who promoted the first few years before GodHeyman made ECW".

I think this is overstated. Heyman is still very much in the wrestling bubble. I mean, people around this place know (well, old timers do) that I'm an ECW and especially a Raven fan. But let's be honest. ECW was runnning with a grunge character in 1995. Grunge was already dead and buried by that point. The music theme of the biggest show of the year in the second half of the decade was November Rain by the Gun's & Roses. It was cool and all. But it was still not exactly down with what pop cuture was at the time. He was down with what the smart fan culture was at the time : workrate with guys coming from Japan (Eddielenkonoit) and Mexico (soon to be WCW cruiserweights), garbage wrestling and smart mark shoot stuff and historical perspective.

In all honesty, maybe he does. Prichard is someone that is exactly *never* brought up when talking about creative minds. You hear about Heyman (and I'm an ECW fan, but Heyman is overrated in that respect), Russo (gasp), Cornette, the old-school guys (Watts, Dusty, Graham, Hart, Sullivan) but most of the WWF/E work is always credited to Vince & Patterson. Prichard seems to be a forgotten name, maybe because people think first and foremost about Brother Love. The one imitation that really amuses me is With My Baby Tonight with the voice of Jerry Jarrett. That's kinda killer in an annoying way. The bad part is that it puts that damn song from 20 years ago back in my head… "keeps spinning too slow blablabla"

New Japan hasn't perfected the style at all. The style peaked in the mid-90's. Then it became overdone and overkill, then it became NOAHism and KobashISM, then it got mixed with the US indy mentality that had itself been permeated by puro cosplaying, then Kenny Omega had ******1/4 matches and shit.

Not sure I would call it the best KOTM match, but it sure was a great one, redeeming the very disappointing mess of the previous year. It's also probably the very point where they should have pulled the trigger on Samoa Joe before it was too late. Angle didn't need the title (he's a guy who doesn't need a title to be at the top). He wasn't the worst choice (AJ Styles needed to be rebuilt as a top guy and Christian already was there for most of the year) but even Chris Harris would have been better as far as creating a new legit main event star. I'm not overly familiar with the chronology of the events to follow, but I do think this highlights the point where it was obvious TNA would not create any new star and would only trust WWE names at the top. It was Samoa Joe's to win there. The post-match was kinda idiotic since this whole feud was already done to death by this point, and Angle's attitude was confusing, as it has never been clear if this guy should be considered a heel or a babyface. (he even acknowledges it on the following iMPACT, where he makes it a clear heel turn, for that week at the very least) This match is also one of Christian's best performance.

Funny stuff. 10$Enzo. (well he does seem like a complete asshole on top on having zilch talent, which often go hand in hand actually)

Wow, that's terrible.

That made me give the show a second chance, and I have warmed up to Bruce. And yeah, the fascinating part of almost getting into Vince's head really is worth it. It feels like almost getting a closure as an old 90's WWF fan, to know what the fuck was going on behind the curtain of these shows I watched way back when.

Nice attempt at humour. Sadly it feels like it's been written by those 20 or so genius in WWE headquarter. Ah, comedy… a whole lotta work indeed. (but yeah, complaining about complaining that did not even happened just exposes gimmick posters)