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Listening to some older episodes. So, the WWF actually shoot and edited Hogan's matches so people would see his bald spot the less possible. Holy shit. The Sunny episode was quite the listen too. And really, it made you actually, and I never though I'd say that, understand and empathize with Sable more. The conclusion by Bruce "I don't think she's a good person" was like the sad, tragic end of this whole crazy narrative of Tammy Sytch's journey. So, took me a little while (mostly because of preconcieved notions), but I became a fan. This is the ultimate peak into the WWE logic.

Torrents

About TNA ? Damn, that was a sweet ass promotion… But it's dead. It's not hard to post at the right place… (there, 5 more sc of my precious time lost obsessing over shit)

Because people don't get the "GFW thread is there http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/30965-global-force-wrestling/page-5" message it seems. Maybe they secretly love TNA and don't want it to go away.

Considering his history and taste over the years, it makes perfect sense. Flair > Michaels > Angle > Omega. You can see the morphing of old NWA style turing into a go-go-go style matches (Flair) to the same classic US stuff with way more athletic spots (Micheals) to an even more go-go-go style with lots of finisher kick-outs and reversals "like in Japan" (Angle) to the mutation of the style through the latest Japanese stuff influenced back by the US indies mentality (Omega). (and that's not to say I mean Flair is like the other three, although my feelings about Flair as a worker are pretty clear by this point, great but overrated too; in that respect, I can see the "flow of taste" from Meltz making sense to me although I obviously strongly disagree. I'd rather watch Bockwinkle, Bret, Joe or Naito) I haven't watched the 1 hour Okada match nor anything from G1. No time at the moment. Since I had loved Naito so much last year, I should probably watch those last three shows though. But I'd rather watch them without the hype in mind.

Can anyone close this thread already ? Hello ? GFW thread > http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/30965-global-force-wrestling/page-5

GFW >>> http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/30965-global-force-wrestling/page-5

I've been out of the loop for a little while, not sure what's up for SummerSlam. What's the card shaping up to be ?

Holy shit, you don't say. Listening to this, I was all "They've got to be fucking kidding, right ?". Then I remembered reading this out of nowere quote here. Yeah. Pretty embarrassing if you ask me. Fucking Freddie Fellini, what can that be possibly referencing to ? Fuck.

Thanks for your always fun and constructive contribution to the board. But anyway, there's a GFW thread, so people interested in talking about this (yeah, seems crazy that people would want to talk about something other than old Memphis and current WWE but shit happens), can be directed there. Link in post above. Thanks again for your kindness and understanding and shit.

This belongs there : http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/30965-global-force-wrestling/page-5 TNA isn't anymore.

Quite so. The Hacksaw Duggan about the first Rumble, less so, not so much because Hacksaw isn't good, he's actually always a funny and charming guy, but it feels like it's a bit redondant with the Timeline he did. Still waiting for that Savio Vega Back one to pop up. The upcoming stuff with Teddy Hard and Chris Hero just isn't of any interest to me (and I skipped over the Fernandez stuff, no time for that kind of stuff anymore).

And once again, you don't enjoy a dick spot. (because he's a heel... a dick... see what I did here ?) See, I'm not going to be a stingy reviewer like you. You're getting 4 1/2 stars for that joke. Thanks. I'm trying to work comedy posts inside the context and conventions of PWO.

And once again, you don't enjoy a dick spot. (because he's a heel... a dick... see what I did here ?)

Seriously, Orton's 2017 is up there with the worst, dullest, most awful title reign ever, with two of the most godawful Wrestlecrap matches and feuds ever, beginning with a useless Rumble win. The Black Hole in his dullest splendor.

What?! Only a 1/4 star? Your ranking system is too tough. Meltz would have it **** in the Tokyo Dome. Kinda like I actually enjoyed the last two years' Mania threads here much more than I did actually watching Mania. Whatever good comes of it on the board is a positive.

He's barely better than Brian Lee. With crappy hair. Actually, he makes me think about this French fellow : which makes him a fail in every case imaginable.

No-selling, hulking up and nut shots are conventions of pro-wrestling. The Dick spot plays on all of them in an absurd way. The more I think about it, the more it occurs to me that the "dick" part is what bothers people the most. That was not intended as comedy in the least. That was Russo at his all-time worst shooty-shooty "the rest if fake but this shit is real... (and scripted" dumbfuckery. Actually, the actual quote is even more legendary : "What are they gonna do now ? IMPROVISE ?" And I have to say this, most attempt at doing comedy in pro-wrestling is usually extremely bad and embarrassing (not "embarrasing for da biz" but simply "embarrassing"). What the WWE tries to pass as comedy is 99% rotten. So there..

Thirded.

Off-topic : As a non-anglo-saxon, I've seen stuff on the whole "dating" concept and its subtleties, and it absolutely flies over my head. I've been in a relationship for more than ten years and we never got engaged. That's neither here nor there though. On topic : It's relevant to the character because it was, of sorts, a comedy spot in a pro-wrestling match also, as he used it to actually get her in a small package and pin her, classic heel move. So it was both cute IRL and funny as a gag. Ryan is a comedy pro-wrestler, and a pretty good one at that. End of story.

Not very funny, that, either. Quarter star for effort. BTW, not finding Joey Ryan's dick spot funny is one thing. Totally understand. Well, I think it is funny, but then again, I'm a Raven fan. Getting outraged because of it and saying it's an embarrassement to pro-wrestling and shit is another. This is the ridiculous part.

I don't care if some people thought it was funny or not. This is completely different. Vince Russo booked illogical shit, offensive stuff and violence against women and effectively killed off whatever was left of WCW and prevented TNA from ever growing past of its status because of it. Joey Ryan is an indy comedy wrestler who does an absurd gag spot. Get over it people. And yeah proposing his girlfirend during a match is relevant to the whole character, because it was also a spot in the context of a pro-wrestling match, and quite a cool one at that. (and since we're playing a "morality game" here it seems, yeah, those Dynamite Kid matches were awesome, weren't they ? Of course, the man was/is a complete piece of shit, but that never was considered an embarrassament to pro-wrestling, that biz where Jimmy Snuka gets a hero tribute video) As far as making pro-wrestling look stupid ? Watching Ric Flair placing the hand of his opponent on his chest before taking the same damn bump for no other reason other than "pop the crowd" makes pro-wrestling look stupid to anyone willing to think about it for two second with an "out of the wrestling bubble" mind. Hulk Hogan is stupid as fuck (really, he looks like a giant jingoist clown injected with steroids doing bad pantonyme). The Undertaker zombi sit-up ? John Cena's Five Knuckle Shuffle ? The People's Elbow ? Kicking yourself hard in the face until you bleed or get concussions like Shibata used to do ? Jumping off the Cell through the announcers table ? Mr. Socko ? Guys in masks carefuly rolling around doing gymnastics and very obviously collaborating with each others ? Men in underwear slapping each others' chests with open hands ? Working "stiff" despite not actually being in a fight ? A fucking Irish-whip ? "Do you smeeeellllalalala what the Rock is cooking" ? Playing on xenophobic, homophobic, mysoginistic clichés ? Cutting your forehead with a razor to draw blood to pretend you were punched hard ? Actually punch a guy hard to draw blood to pretend you punched a guy hard ? A fat man sith a G-string sitting on another guy's face ? Giant Baba's chops ? Guys catching other guys doing jumps and flips over the top rope instead of moving ? For fuck's sake. Pro-fucking-wrestling. It's a gag. With a dick spot hulking up. It's funny because it's absurd. And harmless. Get over it. (I probably spent more time today talking about Joey Ryan than I actually ever did watching Joey Ryan's stuff. And by "stuff" I don't mean anything specific.)

What did he not accomplish exactly ? He makes a living doing what he loves, got over, got fans, didn't hurt anyone doing it, proposed his girlfriend, a fellow worker, during a match, which is quite the cool thing to do. That sounds like all good and fun to me. So yeah, the outrage and vapors are quite funny. And ridiculous. Mostly ridiculous.

Joey Ryan certainly draws money for himself as he's one of the guy who doesn't need the "sweet" NXT deals to get around, get over and live his life as a pro-wrestler in 2017. More power to him. He's as pro-wrestling as anyone I've ever seen, really.

The inability to laugh at yourself, or the things you love, is a pretty sad thing in general. People are taking this stuff way too seriously. Plus, if you really think about it, the Dick Spot is nothing but an absurd gag using one of the most unrealistic, stupid as fuck spot in pro-wrestling anyway, the Hulking Up. There's nothing more ridiculous than Hulking Up. Joey Ryan does a comedic version of it in the context of his own sleazy character and it's quite funny. Low brow ? Like pro-wrestling is anything but. This spot is kinda like burlesque. You don't have to find it funny, but to say it's an embarrassement to pro-wrestling is just taking shit way too fucking seriously. And really, Joey Ryan found a gimmick spot, it sells tickets and merch, gives him booking, gets him over. That's what pro-wrestling is all about. And he did it by himself too, without a promotionnal machine or "creative writers" finding "stuff for him to do". FWIW, I didn't even knew about Ryan dick spot before someone talked about it on this board, he doesn't use it in Lucha Underground where I saw the guy for the first time. He's a perfectly fine worker too, it's not like he's Jimmy the Boogie Woogie Man Valliant or some old-school respectable serious worker of that ilk. Indeed...