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The sledgehammer is by far the stupidest I can think of on a major stage. Dumb as fuck. Now, my favourite dumb foreign object may have been Mad Dog Vachon's prostetic leg at IYH. And of course, the lethal women's heels in WCW the same year.

The iron claw is dumb as fuck. The iron claw on the stomach is downright retarded. "Owww, he's pinching my tummy !" All the Von Erich boys had that kinda awkward way to move around, and Kevin was the most awkward of them all, rendered worst by the somewhat creepy barefoot look. Why the fuck would anyone wrestle barefoot unless you're an islander native (gimmick) or doing a martial/arts (MMA today) gimmick ? Kevin was just not very good.

Ok, she's my new favourite worker although I've never actually seen her.

For those who aren't familiar at all with her (that's me), what is she about exactly (apart from being a relly good worker, from what I understand) ?

Ah, Japan… some things just never change apparently. Where is that quote about Vince being outraged about the very fact asian porn would even exist or something ?

Not a good exemple though. Onita was a much bigger star in Japan than Randy Orton ever was or will ever be in the US. And FMW was not a marginal promotion by any means. When you pack 40.000 people in the Kawasaki Stadium without strong TV (or any TV at all for most of the original Onita run), you're not what I'd call marginal. Onita isn't the Sandman.

Dean was pushed right away in the cruiserweight division. Benoit was pushed almost right away too with the new Horsemen. With Eddie it took a bit more time I believe (although he was US champ as early as 96), likewise Jericho. But yeah, there's really nothing wrong about Jericho putting himself in that group. If one doesn't belong in term of worker, it would be Malenko actually (well, and Saturn, since he was the fourth one alongside Eddie, Dean and Benoit).

If Snuka is thrown in jail, does he lose his HOF spot ?

Okay, let's not get ridiculous now.

I doubt Jaguar Yokota was watching ECW tapes while training Jd's girls in the mid 90's. And I don't see how or why she would get aware of the Sandman later on. But what's mind blowing and cool as hell was that the Sandman knew about Jaguar. Because I doubt ECW guys were watching too much old school Zenjo or current Jd' in the locker room either.

That Alexa Bliss vs Blue Pants match on NXT was pretty bad. Blue Pants theme is one of the oddest I've ever heard, no idea what it's about. She doesn't seem to be any good though. And you got Emma talking about the "Diva Revolution" over there too now. Yikes. But I guess that ship has sailed anyway at this point, with the stupid beat the clock match on RAW.

That's pretty much why I got to love it when I was 14. Never cared about sports that much. It was just a living cartoon with violence and goofy characters. I was watching Saint Seya at the time (hell like every other boy from my generation). There was no reason I wouldn't watch pro-wrestling when I stumbled onto it. Then, it became an addiction. Then I had to deconstruct the thing (when I got on the Internet and became "smart"), then reconstruct it (when I realized I wasn't that "smart" after all). And that became fun.

That's a great story. Gotta love Hak.

I have an odd fondness in my heart for WWF in 95. I really liked those wacky vignettes and characters that year : Hakushi, Jean Pierre Lafitte, Skip, Make a Difference Fatu, and of course, Waylon Mercy and Goldust. WCW in 95 had Hogan being truly unbearable. I take the Diesel push over that shit every day and twice on Sunday. At least he's got the Bret Hart matches and the Shawn Mania match.

"Soyons désinvolte, n'ayons l'air de rien." (this quote would go over so much on a French board) (ok, this is a quote from a very famous song by french rock band Noir Désir, whose singer Bertrand Cantat killed his wife, famous actress Marie Trintignant, by basically beating her to death. He was sentenced to jail though and served his time, unlike some others...) (and it means "let's be jaunty, let's be nonchalant", as in "let's pretend nothing happens", of course the song predates the incident by a good 10 years, but still, applied to that Snuka case, well...)

And yeah, I was refering to the tag matches earlier in this thread. (and I love "southern" tag matches, it's not the issue)

Hilarious.

Tell me it's a fake. Please.

Well, that didn't take long.

Of course it is. Charity a despicable conception to begin with. But I'm not going into details since it's PWO. But yeah, charity has always been a way to make you feel good about yourself and wash guilt away (and maintain social status quo too).

What sek said. You post dumb offensive shit on twitter and nazi memorabilia on instagram and you expect people to say...nothing ? (And yeah of course Lemmy has always been very clear about his views the difference of approach and attitude is huge)

I pimped it a few months ago during my WWECW watch.

That's pretty funny. First reaction when I saw her at NXT was "Damn, Seth's girlfriend is pretty hot." Now I know she's also dumb as fuck. But hey, don't go and call her a nazi. She's actually right about the svastika. Of course, what is showed on her Instagram are not simple svastikas, they are fucking nazi emblems. But you know who else loves collecting german stuff from WWII ? Lemmy. I'm sure HHH can relate. After all, HHH is that guy who had a fucking *iron cross* on his tights for his entire career as a Cerebral Assassin. Yeah, I know, it's like the svastika, it was there before the nazis, but I doubt HHH thought about the Prussian Empire when he choosed that design. He was more in a Motörhead state of mind (which is cool). But, still... Anyway. Yeah, she's offensive, but to me it's just that : just a dumb as fuck bitch. Hell, I'm sure the freaking Harris boys had some progressive social views, these good ol' boys with SS tatooed on their arms. BTW, The Warrior still has a statue in Titan's office, despite his wonderful opinions on gays. Yeah. Pro-wrestling still has a long, long way to go to catch up with society (hopefully).

I can't stand the Code Breaker either BTW. It's apparently a random spot these days, but it's typically the kind of stuff I find annoying in the modern wrestling style. The Code Breaker requires that you take a freaking bump on your back, with the weight of your opponent on you. It looks cool, but it's stupid. Glad I'm not the only one digging Melissa Santos.

Alberto el Patron vs Johnny Mundo. Good sprint with as good selling as you can get from Mundo (who's a spot monkey at heart, but works better as a heel). I'm not a fan of that footstomp spot that requires that the opponent hangs on the ropes, it seems everyone is doing this nowadays, Sasha Banks, Mundo, Alberto. This is exactly the kind of stuff Sabu or Psychosis were derided for back in 95/96. But yeah, good match, and the surprise run-in from Melina was a nice touch. Liked the finish, liked the post-match too which was poetic justice. Alberto delivered the gentlest spanking ever to Melina, which I can totally get behind since she cost him the match and slapped him. Vampiro vs Pentagon Jr. How this can be better than any Vamp match I've seen ? Probably because of the story. Yeah, I said it, the story, despite them going all Big Japan 00 on us. Gory freak show that was as good as it could be. The visuals played a bit part. I thought Vamp was efficient in that matter, and displayed more charisma and character than during his entire WCW stint (which, granted, was hurt a lot by awful booking and that all-time bad Sting feud). Of course the post-match made sense. It's classic stuff, and even though I had been spoiled a long time ago about the Master's identity, I wouldn't call that a swerve. Vamp's attitude during the match made sense. Gift of the Gods match. Clusterfucky as hell, but this was all about dives and cool shit happening. I didn't mind Marty the Moth jumping in, but the Daivari intervention was overkill and brought nothing. That dive from Aerostar was proper insane. For what it was, it was good and a nice change of pace too after the deliberate bloodletting of Vamp vs Pentagon. The right guy won too. Blue Demon Jr. vs Texano. Complete waste of time. The Crew looked stylish. Blue Demon is useless. Mil Muertes vs Prince Puma. Yeah, great match. Probably MOTYC to me too. I liked how they didn't garbaged it up, coming after the Vamp match and the Mack vs Cage opener. Apart from one or two weapon shots that had meaning and were sold, it was pretty straightforward power heel vs acrobatic face match. For the style they work in the promotion and the character they display, it was pretty much the perfect match to cap off the season, although Muertes vs Fenix and Puma vs Mundo 1 hour matches were greater spectacles. I didn't mind the kicking out of finishers because it was the very first time it ever happened, and led to Muertes simply amping it up instead of going rinse/repeat like they would in WWE. Using Catrina as a weapon without hurting her was a pretty cool moment by Puma. Great last episode. And damn, these ending credits. How badass can you get ? (although again, not really a fan of Marty the Moth getting all psychopatic, unless his "sister" really is a cool worker and character) Loved the way Drago and Aerostar vanished, and Ivelysse & Son of Havoc are priceless. With this ending, and the mask of Matanza finally showing up, I really hope there will be a season 2. It would be a crime to not have a season 2 while WWE has countless hours of boring television and TNA still being in operation. If there is, I hope they keep Melissa Santos as the ring announcer too. Hotness notwithstanding, I like the intents she puts into everything, unlike the mindless robots of WWE TV. She gets a more sinister tone when announcing Drago or Mil Muertes, she puts more enthousiasm for the technicos, shows excitement or some disdain while remaining pro. The announcing team, well, Striker can be good or annoying as hell. The guy from Ultima Lucha I don't know, I guess he's an MMA announcer. Didn't pay much attention, but now that Vamp is probably Pentagon's manager, he would be gone from the booth I guess. Anyway, loved the product overall despite its flaws. Really hoping for a season 2.