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He didn't hulk up.

I agree with this. I feel like a more progressive (I don't mean politically necessarily) company would own their history and commit themselves to a fresh outlook where they strive to not repeat past mistakes instead of just trying to sweep it under the rug. BTW, can we still watch Jimmy Snuka on the Network ? But really, yeah, banning Hogan completely sounds both ridiculous and undoable without butchering the history of both promotions to ridiculous degrees.

This is even more complicated now with the Network… I find all this pretty comical actually. That Hogan is a dipshit IRL really isn't anything new anyway.

What racism ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFw14h8HzdM

Ok, let's nitpick, it's fun. No one actually billed Doc & Gordy as "The Miracle Violence Connection" I believe. They sure weren't announced as such in Japan nor in WCW. And Chavo Guerrero is Chavo Guerrero, Eddie's Brother. Eddie & Chavo isn't a brand team name, it's two individuals names. What should we call Sean Waltman then ? 1-2-3 KiX-Pac ? Come on, just add Jr. to Chavo's name.

My favourite mid 90's WCW team. Veterans islanders teaming up and busting up craniums. Maybe Haku's best days as a worker (maybe he was better in Montreal as a babyface, I dunno). Should have been tag team champion eleven times instead of chumps like Harlem Heat, the Nasties or Bunkhouse Buck & Dick Slater. Better than pretty much any other islanders team to me (although the original Headshrinkers come the closest I guess), and of course better than the Powers of Pain. Their match at Mania against the Rockers, years before the fact, was terrific too.

I haven't seen a Double Inoue match for ever. What have I done with my wrestling fandom ? Anyway. Terrific team.

I demand an "r" after Ch. They're way overrated. And responsible, alongside the Hardies, for bringing awkward looking indieriffic offense into the mainstream. Chistian was always the better worker though, since about day one when he was dressed as Gangrel's little brother.

Indeed.

I wasn't talking about when he moved to the heavys. He was obviously a great heavyweight worker before the injury. I meant updating his game like say, Baba, Tenryu or Liger did with age and stayed relevant while working with the younger generation. And he absolutely could have I think. Fuji struck me as lazy in the 90's from what I saw. And he's a guy I always wanted to enjoy more than I did then.

Fuji was mostly dull and boring as fuck after 91. He could have a good match once in a while, but he's not even a guy that was fun to watch like Flair was even after he became cliché. It took something like Tenryu breaking his nose to get back some fire out of him. He's a guy who never bothered to update his game at all. And since he couldn't bump or move like he used too, well… Meanwhile, Choshu never ceased to be at least fun to watch, despite doing even less. Fuji was definitely a great worker in the late 70's and 80's though. He's the only guy ever to got *something watchable* out of Tiger Jeet Singh, and that was in 90 or so. His match with Flair at the Tokyo Dome is also pretty underrated.

Also, Kevin Sullivan & the Fallen Angel in Florida… Adrian Street & Miss Linda...

Since we're into that "Divas Revolution" stuff, I tried to watch the MNW episode of "Divas Gone Wild". Three minutes in, we're basically told that Vince McMahon invented the valets with Miss Elisabeth. Okay. I can't fathom how anyone can handle all that revisionnist history in WWE programs. (EDIT : man, that TV show is completely ridiculous)

Welcome Tabe. It's always nice not feeling alone sometimes. (in case you wonder, I pretty much agree with all that's written above (although my favourite shoot-style stuff, and in short, pro-wrestling matches, all comes from RINGS, but like he said, the bad stuff there is atrocious), although I need to watch more PWFG to get my final sentiment on that promotion, but up until now, yep, I would agree on this too)

And at the time, shitloads of viewer were watching WCW at the same time. Where are all those wrestling fans gone ? … Oh yeah, Vince could never get them back, despite being a "promoting genius". The WWE Universe is shrinking.

Tom Brandi, as just Tom Brandi and not Salvatore Sincere, "feuding" with Marc Mero in early 98.

Updated top 15 list : 2002.06.26 Jerry Lynn vs AJ Styles vs Psicosis vs Low-Ki 2002.07.17 Sabu vs Malice 2002.07.31 Elix Skipper vs AJ Styles 2002.07.31 Low-Ki vs Jerry Lynn 2002.08.21 AJ Styles vs Jerry Lynn 2002.08.28 Low-Ki vs Jerry Lynn vs AJ Styles 2002.10.02 AJ Styles vs Jerry Lynn 2002.10.16 Syxx-Pac vs AJ Styles 2002.10.23 AJ Styles vs Syxx-Pac 2002.10.23 Jerry Lynn vs Sonny Siaki 2002.10.30 AJ Styles vs Amazing Red 2002.11.06 AJ Styles vs Jerry Lynn 2002.11.20 Jerry Lynn vs Amazing Red 2002.11.27 AJ Styles vs Jerry Lynn 2002.11.12 AJ Styles v Amazing Red

PPV 25 Ok, Vince Russo, blah blah blah, X-div gauntlet match clusterfuck, Vince Russo and Jeff Jarrett, blah blah blah WWF, WCW, shooty-shooty, what the hell is Russo supposed to be anyway, a writer, a heel manager, no fucking idea, three-way clusterfuck, Percy Pringle is morbidly obese, Athena jumping in for no reason, Road Warriors showing up, this promotion really is turning into the soon-to-be-dead promotion… three way X-division title match clusterfuck, give Sonny Siaki a hot girl as a "gift" (see, woman as object; see : the Lance Storm theory of hot valet + no personnality), Russo blah blah blah… Bad garbage match with fat BJ James… And then, the supposedly "good" SAT & Amazing Red vs Low-Ki & Chris Daniels & Elix Skipper, which actually wasn't good at all. First of all, the SAT suck. They're terrible wrestlers. Then, ok, the three stooges beating on Red was good, but the problem is that they were building toward a hot tag to two fucking awful wrestlers that I don't want to see back in the ring, so I don't give a shit about the match to begin with. Then, they did the worst hot tag ever, which showed me that Red just isn't that good yet at doing basic things, and that the Maximo really are two complete idiots, not working from ringside *at all* to make the audience care about a fucking hot tag that should have been easy as fuck. And it was quite a cold tag, in the end. ...Russo blah blah blah, Jarrett getting the nWo beating, Russo trying the nWo destroying the set angle… Pathetic. Waste of time. Bye bye TNA 2002.

That's the whole problem. Since the very beginning, that's been Vince's dream, to be something else than just pro-rassling. When infact, his success only comes from being pro-rassling. He sucked at anything else he ever tried. And if we're supposed to look at WWE as "an entertainment company", then the product they deliver is just godawful in term of production, storytelling, acting and then some. It's beneath B-level reality TV. When people talk about Stephy being this really good "wrestling promo", I just cringe. No, she's not a good "wrestling promo", because she doesn't cut promos. She "acts". And truthfully, the level of acting in WWE programming in sub-90's porn movie level. The idiotic soap operas we had in the 90's in France produced by AB production, infamous for their stupidity and bad acting, are like a Bergman movies compared to WWE's "storytelling & acting". Why I have zero faith in Trip and Stephy is simple : Trip is a "student of the game", but judging by his own performances and insecurity, he's a shitty student, and he idolizes body-builders like the old man did; and the rise to power of Stephy in the "creative department" coincides with the time WWE became corporate-looking, dull and soap-operaish to a ridiculous degree. So yeah, clean wins and losses or not really don't matter much at this point. The issue is much broader.

The problem is that she looks like David.

Probably. Forgetting that they were a TENNESSEE based company anway. Even the announcers had to point out that it made it difficult to move around.

By popular demand and because : _eventually I want to go back to the Raven feuds _WWE last PPV was so boring that even late 2002 TNA looks more intriguing _I'm really fucking depressed I'm gonna end what I've begun with TNA 2002. So, PPV 24 was better than the previous one, which is the biggest false praise ever. Still, we only get two good matches. One decent Jason Cross vs Tony Mamaluke opener, and once again credit to Mamaluke for holding things together. Cross seems to be a decen indierrific guy. But the real good match of the show was AJ Styles vs Amazing Red, working a "big" vs underdog match, with some interesting brawling twists from AJ. I'm impressed by how he adapts his own spots to the situation and dynamic. And Red is really getting into a groove playing the underdog. The last bump was ridiculously over the top though, but clearly one of the best match of the company thus far. What could have been a pretty good match in Jerry Lynn vs Sonny Siaki ended up being the most boring single Lynn match of the year. Siaki really doesn't deliver here, and although his Rock impersonnation was stupid, in himself he's got no personnality at all, he's bland as hell and his work is unimpressive at best. Plus we get a fuck finish with some girl running in to help Siaki win the X-div title, so, yeah, not good. And then, lots of terrible stuff like Brian Lee & Slash losing their title to the Harris, then not losing them thanks to Percy Pringle. More tag team badness with AMW doing the job to Divine Storm, who really are shitty workers. Trinity did a moonsault. And a ridiculous gimmick match, the chain + chair match. Yep. A chair in the middle of a chain. Honestly, I ff, like I did for more bad X division action in the undercard and stupid promos by BJ James refering back to DX (yeah, because 1998 WWF is relevant in 2002) and opposing his father. Jeff Jarrett did an interview segment where he basically buried Waltman for no-showing, did some damage control with Roddy's Owen reference, and tried to stir up the pot with the Russo angle. Jarrett is a complete babyface despite being the biggest heel during the entire build-up to him winning the title. His match with Hennig was sad to watch. Russo did a worst guitar shot ever, and got it just as bad the second time around, which was legit funny. Swerve ? I dunno, I don't care. 2002.11.12 AJ Styles v Amazing Red

Except for that one match with The Rock, not at all.

More like 2002 Flair. He looked like an old man. The hair hurt his look even more.

The booking of the main event reeked of 1998 WCW.