El-P
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(threads like these are why I love this board BTW, and why I still enjoy to read/talk about pro-wrestling in 2014, well after it has effectively passed me by)
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The modern overscripted promos style of the WWE is one reason I find the product unwatchable as a whole. It doesn't comes off like bad pro-wrestling promos or cheesy badly acted pro-wrestling vignettes, it comes off like just terrible acting from a fourth rate TV show or old-school porn-movie (you know, when they used to have actual scripts and stories). The way they cut the scenes is awful too, with those awkward two seconds too many after each backstage skits. What is acceptable for pro-wrestling would just look downright embarrassing in any other entertainment business really. And don't get me started on their many attempts at doing comedy. To me it started with Russo, but really got settled with Stephy in the early 00's. 14 years later, it's the exact same thing and it's putrid. One huge turn-off of the modern WWE style for me.
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No, you're not. It always seemed obvious to me that HHH tried to emulate the Franchise character at that time. The whole "Cerebral Assassin" gimmick, the serious deliberate promos, all of this was basically "The Franchise" done poorly. One of the differences being that Douglas oozed pure heel charisma on promo in the mid-90's, and even when he went too long by the end of the decade he was always making a point and was getting his opponents over. And he wasn't insecure and showed tons of ass all the time.
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Andre the Giant Battle Royale - Worthless, total waste of time. Usos vs Real Americans - What Will said. Could be fun, I guess. Shield vs Kane & New Age Outlaws - Holy shit. Kane & New Age Outlaws. Remember when these guys were fresh, in 1998 ? 16 years ago ? It's like having Rocky Johnson & Tony Atlas to put over some hot new guys at Wrestlemania 2000. Poor Shield. They win, of course. Divas match - Anyone gives a fuck ? John Cena vs Bray Wyatt - Total throwaway match to me. Cena not involved in a big main event or a title match sounds wrong to me, no matter how played out he seems to be. He's still the Man at this point. Cena wins. Wyatt has no legs. It's a cute character, but he's not even as creepy as Waylon Mercy. IF they give him the win, it'll quickly end nowhere, I don't see him ever being a major player. Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar - Again, this doesn't seem as special as it probably should. Taker wins. HHH vs Daniel Bryan - Only interested in the result. Hopefully short, because God knows no-one wants to see a long HHH match in 2014. Bryan wins. Right ? Right ? Batista vs Randy Orton vs Daniel Bryan - Same thing. Only the feel-good moment interests me, as I couldn't give a crap about either of Bryan (right ?)'s opponents. So as a main event, really it's not compelling at all, especially since 3-ways is a shity gimmick to begin with. But the final pin and celebration should, could be a great moment. Right ? RIGHT ? But yeah, quite the underwhelming card.
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Call it the global WWE influence I guess. It's only logical. Less major promotions around the world, less place to learn different style.
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Douglas' stint in WCW in 2000 once he got hooked with Torrie Wilson was actually really solid and he made the most out of poor booking and awkward gimmick matches every time around. He was one of the saving graces of WCW TV for a short while. The Revolution stuff was awful, but it wasn't his fault. Yeah, big time Shane Douglas fan myself. Terrific babyface in 93 and great heel promo later on (before he went overboard at times especially in ECW and indies). Peaking in 95/96 and having a resurgence as a veteran-like worker in 99 (his last program in ECW) and 00. Interesting to hear Steve Austin giving him major props as a face worker and heel promo. Austin said that his only problem was that his heel work wasn't on par with his promos at the time, and that his babyface in-ring work was great but that he didn't had the great babyface promo ability.
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Ah ah !! Riggs already did a long ass interview with Highspots a few years ago, and it dragged because of Highspots long drawn out style of interviewing. This one looks chockfull of sleaze stuff I don't want to get mental pictures of. Riggs is an interesting character though. SMW, WCW, ECW… Lot to talk about.
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Totally agree with what's been said above. I always enjoyed Hunter's 96/97 work the best. He was exactly where he belong then, and was efficient and quite good at it.
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Those Regal's episodes are great. Regal's got such a soft spoken voice and delivery, it's an oral pleasure to just listen to him talk. And I got a big kick out of him and Austin singing the first few verses of El Paso. Regal talking about his musical tastes over the years, from the british metal bands like Saxon to the ska revival, Northern Soul and going through the early rave period was pretty damn cool.
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Yep. Actually, the best parts are HHH sucking up to McMahon to the point of grabbing Brisco so McMahon could put his shit under his nose, and big steroid ass HHH not being able to hold on to old man Brisco. What a man.
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I'm surprised they inducted that youngster. Hey, a Royal Rumble 93 reference. We're so damn old.
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[1996-08-19-WCW-Nitro] Sting & Lex Luger vs Ric Flair & Arn Anderson
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1996
Great segment. Arn is the standout, but Sting holds up his end pretty well. McMichaels was actually pretty damn good too. I agree with Loss, the unlikely teaming was a great touch and made the whole nWo angle even better, and it's too bad it got forgotten. And damn, Woman in those mini-shorts was smoking at this time. -
Saw hundreds of match with Nick Patrick, and he never bothered me. And he was great as a heel, and excellent promo too. Hebner's delayed dramatic counts did annoy the hell out of me though.
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I've got to the point where I can't watch a Dean Malenko match without thinking he's ridiculously overrated. He's just dry as hell. It works well against some great opponents who fit his character as an opposition, like Rey Jr., but against Regal or Benoit, it's just great mechanics but not much substance to me. Malenko is the prototypical worker for the jerk-off-fests "clap-clap-clap ! This is awesome !" kinda matches that would follow in the years to come (basically all based on Eddie vs Dean in ECW). So yeah, some really smooth exchanges, but I don't give a shit even though Regal is heeling up. Bring back Finley already.
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Or Tony Atlas…...
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Will made my day. +
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I miss that guy, anyone know why he left? He looked like Pittbul #1. At some point I thought he was gonna be involved in some angle.
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The one thing I agree with Martin is that I did notice the crowd wasn't chanting that loud once the plants started occupying the ring. Wait & see I guess.
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So, I watched *that* segment. Terrific angle. Quite efficient delivery from Stephy & Hunter. Great visual. Great way to put over the merchandise too. They totally lucked into this one much like with Austin at WM13. Now, of they don't put the title on Bryan at WM, they're fucking insane. The script should go : _Daniel Bryan pins HHH in 18 seconds. _Daniel Bryan beats Orton & Batista to win the World Title. _sell shitoads of Daniel Bryan merchandise. Easy. And *now*, I'm actually interested in watching WrestleMania.
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So, they are still doing angles out of terrible Kane shit from the late 90's/early 00's ? Involving Abyss, who's been the worst garbage monster ever, an inept mix of third rate Mankind and second rate Kane with no charisma nor understanding of working. And Dixie Carter is not only the worst promoter ever at this point, but she's also a terrible performer from what I've seen. The promotion looks like they're on the verge of dying, they're like an out of date, bloated indy promotion without the cool indy workers. The mere idea that Jarrett even wanted to buy back into this is puzzling.
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I thought Cornette was happily living away from the drug of pro-wrestling. Well, maybe he's just helping out his friend for a while. But it really didn't work out very well last time around.
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I totally am a Former Fan.
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[1996-08-19-WCW-Nitro] NWO Paid Announcement and Slim Jim commercial
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1996
Did really cool laidback heels existed before Hall & Nash ? The problem with them is that they indeed were cooler than the WCW guys. -
[1996-08-15-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXXIII] Ric Flair vs Hulk Hogan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1996
This match pinpoints everything illogical about pro-wrestling clichés : all of a sudden, Hogan sells and bumps for the same Flair offense he mainly no-sold for years, all of a sudden Flair actually outsmarts Hulk Hogan in spots (the bite on the test of strenght), all of a sudden Flair misses his legdrop and doesn't reverse the figure four everybody and their sister had reversed for the last 15 years. The Hulk up was totally stupid, Hulk still hadn't totally figure out how to work heel efficiently. Him jawing up with a woman at ringside was nice. At points they looked confused and fumbled around because they didn't know how to make it work. SO yeah, not really a good match, but interesting. Cool post match though, with Sting and Flair shoving themselves around. Now that made sense. -
[1996-08-12-WCW-Nitro] Interview: Hulk Hogan, Scott Hall & Kevin Nash
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1996
Yeah, kinda half-ass promo, and Hogan shines more than the other two here. You can see he was already having a blast working heel at this point.