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[1996-12-02-WCW-Nitro] Interview: Ric Flair & Roddy Piper
El-P replied to Loss's topic in December 1996
Decent stuff. Second promo from Roddy on the same show and this one was the better one. Still totally agree about what we said about Flair during this comeback, after a last super fun run as a heel in 96.- 12 replies
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Some homophobic dig at the nWo too. Well… Anyway, Piper ranting alone could quickly get grating, but here he was still pretty efficient. Cool reference to his Carolina history indeed.
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ECW Timeline I would prefer for the remaining years, considering who's available : 1993 - Todd Gordon 1996 - Raven 1998 - Tommy Dreamer 1999 - Steve Corino
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"Was better than Abyss" is either a truism or a backhanded compliment. In the case of Kane, it's both.
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The Piper Timeline is quite good infact. Piper is Piper, so you know what you're going to get, but he also tells a lot of stories. The Patterson deal is pretty much nothing, and putting it in the trailer was kinda dishonest because it looks like there's much more to it than there seems to be. He did call Micheal Hayes a snake though. Wouldn't even say his name. Overall a really good Timeline edition after a bunch of pretty bad ones (Windham, Vader, Beefcake). The next one is ECW 2000-01 with Justin. I'd much rather had Corino, as he's a hilarious storyteller, but Credible could be quite ok I guess.
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Abyss is an agent ? Wow. It's nice that you can be one of the worst (and stupidest) worker ever and still be an agent. Only in TNA I guess.
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Why ? To me it's like Stevie Ray getting this fat-ass contract in WCW. Complete waste of time and money. But hey, I hear Glenn Jacobs is a nice guy, so good foor him. Heard Abyss was actually a nice guy too. Not that there's a link between the two. Or maybe there is.
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I remember the bWo parody better. "Buy the shirt !"
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She's Rusev best asset. In a matter of 6 months, he'll probably be the next Broadus Clay. Hey, I like Rusev. Like it's been said, the entire act is a total throwback. Add the ridiculously hot "russian" girl right out of Rocky IV (WWE, always culturally relevant), and it's all good for me.
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There is a small place for midgets in pro-wrestling.
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Koko Ware is all about Memphis. Koko in WCW in the mid 90's would have been a Jim Powers like jobber.
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Okay. The evil monster who jobbed in three minutes at Mania is now the #1 contender and destroys Daniel Bryan. Midgets. Oberlong babyafce promos from a faction who didn't get over by doing overlong babyface promos (remember when Goldberg got to finally cut promos ?). RVD being pushed in 2014. More emphasis on that red hot Cena vs Bray Wyatt feud with more overdone "evil" stuff (yeah, he's clearly overdoing the whole chanting bit). Well. I was excited by the post WM show. And as always, WWE figured out how to kill my curiosity for their product in a matter of two weeks. Yawn.
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Savage showing up at Survivor Series in the MSG would habe been awesome. Can you picture the feud he could work at this point with Micheals, Hart and Austin ? Well, we got DDP which was a starmaker feud, but still, Savage during the pre-Attitude era would have been so much fun. Bischoff is already a very good heel promo. Total sleazeball. It comes naturally to him, and for obvious reasons. DiBiase is not even here, being totally irrelevant now.
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To be honest, that's what I thought when watching the trailer.
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Puroresu vs Lucha Libre vs American Wrestling?
El-P replied to blackholesun's topic in Pro Wrestling
Same thing here. It's funny, when I dove into puroresu in late 98, and then when I stopped watching US wrestling one year later, I thought I had found what I would watch forever from now on. I was so deeply into the diversity of puro, from AJ to NJ to the garbage promotions to the many joshi feds to the shootstyle and ridiculous indies. And after a few years because of lack of time and personnal issues I went away from it. I only watched a few matches from the 00's at the time of the GOAT poll. And then for the past 4-5 years, I went back to strictly american wrestling, going through ECW, SMW and WCW (and I only have one year left to go through until I'm done). I really wouldn't know what to do with puro now, and any attempt I made at watching some just never worked very well. What Loss says about the globalization of the styles also seems very true, and it's pretty sad. -
And there goes the floodgate. At this point the angle turned into a clusterfuck with all B players getting involved, and the original idea was bastardized. Bagwell turning was probably the only one who really got something out of joigning the nWo, it succeeded in turning him into a solid undercard heel.
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Oh man… Reeks of "Goldberg didn't follow the script. Enough meta-angles already. They won't be able to catch lightning in a bottle twice. You can't recreate artificially what happened organically onece for very specific reasons. Cesaro gets babyface reaction because he's a cool as fuck power wrestler who does the Giant Swing. Just build him up as a heel that people still want to cheer up to the point he finally turns face. Nothing complicated with the situation. "Recreating" a Daniel Bryan-like crowd support is just baffling. Let each guy get over on their own term.
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Triple H just announced that the Ultimate Warrior passed away
El-P replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Pro Wrestling
You could NOT care less. Could NOT. Somewhat makes it hard to take the rest of your statement seriously. This one drives me up a wall too. Hate that they're treated as interchangeable by so many people Well, I guess my mistake comes from the fact I've seen/heard a shitload of actual English-speaking people use it that way then. -
Rey Mysterio and Randy Savage worked a pretty cool promo segment on Thunder in 1999, which was followed up by…. nothing of course.
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Triple H just announced that the Ultimate Warrior passed away
El-P replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Pro Wrestling
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Really good ending sequence. With Rey, Jarrett, Regal and Eddie along with DDP and Luger, you get a picture of "what could WCW have been" if they had choosed to push the young talents. Great babyface fire showed by Regal indeed. Neat detail in that DDP actually never attacked the nWo and vice versa. Luger having to carry the load after making the mistake of not trusting his own friend Sting was indeed a great storyline.
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[1996-11-24-WCW-World War III] Hulk Hogan vs Roddy Piper Contract Signing
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
Gotta love Piper telling Vincent "I taught you how to fight !". Yeah, just a terrific angle. I agree Hogan is doing the best work of his life at this point. I never enjoyed Hulk much, but Hollywood at his peak and when he had a real issue to work with was just awesome. "Show'them the hip !" Piper is excellent here too, the way he reacts when Hogan shows the scar is exactly what it should have been. Great selling after the beating too. It's amazing that ten years after WM1, WCW was able to milk Piper vs Hogan and make it another money program, not by rehashing it but by making everything fresh and exciting again. If only they had been that smart with their up and coming talent...- 8 replies
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[1996-11-24-WCW-World War III] Rey Misterio Jr vs Ultimo Dragon
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
The "squash" feel may come from the fact Ultimo Dragon just threw bombs after bombs to Rey. He really beat the shit out of him. However, Rey kicked out of everything Ultimo threw his way, getting major babyface heat and support for every kick out and comeback. That's not a prolongued squash. And when Rey got on offense, he got extremely close to beating Ultimo, with great nearfalls that were believable. Finally, Ultimo did counter Rey once too many and got the win, but although Ultimo looked like a terrific offense machine, Rey also delivered quite a bit of impressive stuff and was never cut off systematically like he would by Dean at times. Great match and a definite WCW cruiserweight classic. Loved both guys outfits too. (In comparison, the Malenko vs Psicosis match later on got exactly zero heat whatsoever, you could hear a pin drop. Of course, it was a technically competent but worked in a vaacum typical boring Malenko-on-control match, which showed that he wasn't over until he had an opponent the people cared about, and he wasn't able to make the people care on his own merits.)- 18 replies
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Saw a decent Rough & Ready match with Harlem Heat of all people on Saturday Night 96.10.26. Enos did a few impressive power spots and Slater was… well, he was 1996 Slater.
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Triple H just announced that the Ultimate Warrior passed away
El-P replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in Pro Wrestling
I honestly couldn't care less about what the WWE does with the Warrior image before or after his death. But the level of hypocrisy, crocodile tears and misplaced sensibility just makes me chuckle. Had he died just before they cut a deal with him, he would have been happy to get a mention on Raw and they probably would have pimped The Self-Destruction again. It's all business.