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Good segment with a lot of intensiy on Piper's part. But like I said before, Hogan vs Piper felt fresh the first time around, not so much at this point. It's already a rehash, and the result can't be as satisfying and fun as the Starrcade match.
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Of course it matters. You have to establish a clear cut line. Otherwise it becomes a clusterfuck. If Flair comes on a WWF shows and bashes the entire roster and talks shit about babyface Austin, babyface Rock and babyface Taker, he won't get cheered. Now, having the WCW guys get babyface reactions by running southern cities like they were running Canada during the Bret heel stint, that's another thing. Russo is a complete dumbass anyway.
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Last week Piper, now Rander Anderson. These babyfaces have no dignity in bringing their kids around to get sympathy. But seriously, this is great. "Can you please tell your daddy, that he's STILL fired !" is one of the all-time great dick heel punchlin ever to me. Just classic stuff. Bischoff was great, just despicable and sleazy, as were the Outsiders laughing in the face of poor Randy Anderson.
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Terrific angle for putting DDP at the same level with Savage and Sting.
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Russo's idea for rebooking the Invasion could seem "logic" up until that point : Sean asks "But are they heels or faces ?". Russo answers "It doesn't matter". There you go. Russo doesn't understand shit.
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Yeah, another tremendous angle and amazing Hogan promo. Bischoff is pretty great as a sidekick too. I find it argue not to agree with Hogan when he says Piper knew what he was doing by bringing the kid out there. But whatever, Piper finally cracking up and beating the shit out of both of them really made the segment pretty much perfect, although a redux of Starrcade already begins to point out the flaws of the booking on top, with too much reliance on old stars. I don't remember how was the Superbrawl match, but one big Hogan vs Piper match was enough for me, especially when it worked so well.
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[1997-02-03-WCW-Nitro] DDP, The Outsiders, Randy Savage and Sting
El-P replied to Loss's topic in February 1997
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Ok thanks. So they were playing off homophobic overractions by having a guy kissing a girl. Okayyyy. Not sure if I see the relevance in all of this. Oh, anyway, Fandango is irrelavant anyway, as it seems this plants the seed for a feud between his two girls.
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Michael Sam. Which explains why JBL was going nuts on commentary during it. I have no idea what you are referring to.
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Gotta love Hacksaw Duggan. He's such a neanderthal man. Confronted by Lana's arguments that China had now conquered the world economy, poor Hacksaw could only reply as he always did, by spelling his country's name, and thankfully it is only three letters. And poor Rusev, now he's lost his first name too. Hum.. Big E Langston. After Kofi and R-Truth… Do I see a pattern here ? Anyway, Lana is obviously the star of this outfit (pun intended). Adam Rose's act already looks like a novelty entrance. Reminds me of Al Snow's head gimmick, which "worked" in the small ECW environment but totally failed in the WWF. WTF was that Fandango angle about ? Now thet Bryan is out (poor guy, he can't get a break), The Shield are totally carrying this promotion.
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Well, Rey and Ultimo worked the same non-wrestling-fan/non-paying customers/"racist" crowd at the same Hogg Wild 96 and they got their match over. Granted, it was much shorter and flashy spots oriented than the Malenko/Benoit "technical clinic" but they were still two japanese and mexican short guys in bright colorful attires. Not the stuff the biker crowd would easily eat up. Oh God I rewatched this a few weeks ago. They just killed the audience dead. Typical Malenko at his worst. Like I said, he's probably the greatest most tone deaf worker ever.
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Since one of them is dating John Cena ?
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Ok, third match in a row = overkill.
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Funny bits with Hogan talking about olympic wrestling move. Savage & Sting showing up kept the interest up, as those Hogan promos, as fun as they were at this point, had a tendency to go nowhere if nothing happened otherwise.
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[1997-01-18-WCW-Saturday Night] Steven Regal vs Psicosis
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
Really good for what is was, but kinda rushed to amount to anything. I agree Psychosis looked more interesting against Regal than against most of the luchadors. With his frame he should have worked more with the guys like Regal, Finlay and Benoit for the TV title instead of playing perenial JTTS oversized cruiserweight. (ditto La Parka).- 6 replies
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Okay, another match at the end of Januray tagging with McMicheal vs the Amazing French Canadian. I'm stopping right there, but Arn was still working early in 97. I don't know how all those matches eluded you.
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[1997-01-27-WCW-Nitro] Randy Anderson, NWO, Rick and Scott Steiner
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
Great Bischoff bullying segment. Just a classic stuff, much like the following week angle. The Outsiders laughing is just awesomely cruel. Anderson plays his role well here, just a referee doing his job and not used to deal with the bullshit and the powerdrunk assholes.- 8 replies
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True. But it was very striking with the Outlaws because they had the über catchy entrance.
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[1997-01-25-WCW-NWO Souled Out] Hulk Hogan vs The Giant
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
Not nearly as fun as the Robin Hood match. Nick Patrick was probably tired after working the entire PPV by himself. Giant kicking out of the legdrop was poetic justice. This beatdown foreshadows what would pretty soon be an issue with the nWo angle. What was fresh and shocking is slowly becoming predictable.- 8 replies
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Bollin as a co-host ? Ok, I'm passing this one. Bollin usually overstays his welcome after 5 minutes.
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I wasn't enthralled by the whole Bischoff interview. Although hearing him share a beer with Austin makes the 90's scene seem like an eternity ago.
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[1997-01-25-WCW-NWO Souled Out] Eddy Guerrero vs Syxx (Ladder)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
To me the standards for ladder matches are all screwed up when idiotic stuntfests are considered great matches. This was a very nice match to me, worked the old-school way, much like the early Bret vs Micheals match from 92, with lot of wrestling and a few ladder spots. There was enough big spots throughout to make the gimmick relevant, and they didn't do a lot of awkward überslow climbs. Waltman seemed more at ease with the ladder than Eddie was, but to say that he totally outworks Eddie here is a stretch. Underrated match.- 13 replies
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[1997-01-25-WCW-NWO Souled Out] Scott Hall & Kevin Nash vs Rick & Scott Steiner
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
On the contrary, to me the Steiners were perfect opponents for the Outsiders. They were the biggest team of the 90's, and they were truly WCW fixtures of the early 90's, like Sting and Lex Luger. Historical figures of the company. Their WWF stint had been an afterthought. As far as styles went, it also works for me since the Outsiders were big and physical enough to have the Steiner sell for them. This was a pretty decent match, carried by the Outsiders. Kinda slow and plodding at times when Nash was in, but Hall once again was the best of the four. Rick was already really sloppy at this point, and Scott couldn't be bothered to sell his previously injured back, but that's the Steiner for you. The finish was obviously not gonna stand, it's an nWo PPV and Randy Anderson isn't a nWo referee. But a good way to have a feel good moment on the PPV without having the Outsider losing their first match against the Steiners (which would end up being an issue when they would never really lose the belts).- 10 replies
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[1997-01-25-WCW-NWO Souled Out] Diamond Dallas Page and the NWO
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
The first hot segment of the PPV, following the first decent match too. The nWo B-team (I wouldn't call them C team already) look like idiots and DDP is slowly becoming the people's champion.- 7 replies
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