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So, hip-hop in wrestling had been represented by the pathetic PN News, the equally pathetic M.O.M. tag team, and the better but still white-boys parody of PJ13. And there Jim Cornette, in his 80's looking promotion gets more relevant than anyone else by intriducing the Gangstas. I must say it's kinda surreal to see New Jack work a regular match (I've already seen Mustapha as a jobber on WCW tv). Great intro. And then the infamous promo. I knew about it coming in, but still, jaw drops. Holy shit. I barely could watch anything New Jack related in ECW because he quickly turned into a complete self-parody, but I have a feeling I'm gonna really enjoy theme in this very, very particular setting.
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Agreed it took too long before he made his first champs, and the tournaments weren't very well booked. Lee was made to look weak, but he was never any good as a babyface champ anyway, he only gets fun when he turns heel. With Night of the Legends approaching, SMW becomes a bit better than in the previous weeks. Tons of awesome promos from Cornette and Armstrong, the Bodies showing up, Candido winning the TV belt again, no more Kendo, no more Well Dunn, tons of cool Night of the Legend updates. And the infamous debut of the Gangstas. So, I'll finally get to see if New Jack could indeed be considered better then HHH or not.
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The Seekers are just entertainly bad at this point, although Lance would never get much better or charismatic on the stick. Jericho looks indeed naked and it's disturbing. This promo looks to be shot in some trailer's kitchen. The video being shot by a fan filming her kids getting an autograph with Mark Curtis is such a nice touch when you think about those upcoming years of "invisible camera". Cornette cuts an promo, and I'm glad the Bodies are back, as SMW suffered a lot from their absence.
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They couldn't think of something better than cutting a few locks ? Cornette's booking is really getting lazy.
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I don't care about the Armstrong feud anymore, but Terry is killing me with his insults. Between these and the ones about the Rhodes in WCW, he sure was shitting all over the old-school wrestling families, which is great.
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Promo wise, this is hands down the best feud of the year. Caudle looks genuinely disgusted and outraged when Jake takes about the Devil. Ah, those good ol' Bible Belt's announcers. The fake Kendo was too goofy for me though after those ultra-serious and evil promos.
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Thrillseekers vs Well Dunn in a "penalty box" match. Seriously Cornette. WAY too much gimmick matches and stipulations, all the time. Russo's "on-the-pole" fixation is actually not that far. Ok, that's harsch, but Cornette's booking, despite its strong points (making sense), relies on stuff like this way too much to keep things fresh and interesting. On the other hand, Bambi-in-the-box was goofy but pretty fun thanks to the way Tammy sold it. SMW is all about Tammy and her team at this point, as nothing else of interest happens. Yeah, Jake & DWB cut great promos on each others, but the feud doesn't deliver at all in the ring. Bruiser Bedlam, Well Dunn, Kendo the samurai are shit. And I'm really getting tired of Cornette vs Arsmtrong, this feud has overstayed its welcome by a few months now.
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Two great pormos indeed, but this feud really doesn't deliver at all in the ring, so it only work has isolated work-of-art promos instead of buidling matches that I actually want to watch.
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Yes, but so what after all ? She was dumped in the most humiliating way for no reason. I also remember Ross complaining about the way Terri was dressing, because "she was a mother". Wait, what ? Wasn't Sable a mother too ? Oh man, this whole AFKAG was beyond words. I forgot about the vasectomy ! This was even worse than I remembered it to be ! Which leads me to answer to this : Actually I do. I know, it's been nearly 15 years, and I never rewatched any of this stuff except maybe the two PPV matches in the mid 00's. Yeah, I know, I know... Probably because I always was a huge fan of Goldust & Terri, and although I wasn't crazy about the Val character, I enjoyed his work. So the nonsensical booking of this feud really made a terrible impression on me.
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I agree. I enjoyed the matches because Val was a solid wrestler and I always liked Dustin, but the angle was all screwed up with no face nor heel. Thus far, totally inefficient in telling a compelling story wrestling-wise. Add to that the fact JR was bashing Terri for basically being a slut, totally forgetting that she had been treated like complete shit by Dustin a few months prior and dumped live on TV. The moral stance by JR about Terri was completely ridiculous, she totally had the right to fuck whoever she wanted and get her revenge on Dustin. So you had : _face Val Venis because it was cool to be a porn star womanizer _heel Dustin because he was an uncool religious zelot, although having a "cool" sexual double entendre acronym again (the infamous EATME) _face Terri (audience) because she was hot and getting her revenge on uncool Dustin / heel Terri (Ross, who was the face announcer), because she was "dressing up like a slut" and fucking another guy, despite having been treated like dirt and dumped on live TV by Dustin. Then : _tweener Val Venis because he was still cool to cheer but Goldust was cooler _face Goldust because he was Goldust and that was a cool gimmick and he swore vengeance on Val and Terri, who he had dumped before in a heinous act that turned him heel before _heel Terri because.... she was a slut (??) Then : _face Terri because she was in love and pregnant from Val _face (WTF ???) Val who dumped a supposedly pregnant Terri, and god knows that is a funny move to make for a babyface, but I remembered it was cheered (no idea how Ross sold the whole deal) _heel Terri trying to get back with Goldust, the lowly bitch she is (man, this girl always gets the bad end of the stick when she's dumped in humiliating ways) _face Terri when she got a miscarriage, because I guess even for such a bitch (at least we're supposed to believe so), this is really a tragedy _heel Terri : she really wasn't pregnant _tweener Terri : she got revenge on Val which got a face pop (on Val who was supposed to be the "cool" guy to the audience), and formed PMS, which is the most embarrassing name ever to give a female stable. To me this is the most mindblowingly fucked up angle and the picture perfect definition of Russo's shock TV formula : sex, nonsensical heel/face turns (if you can even call it that), no focus on wrestling at all (we had what, two matches out of the whole deal), and of course complete mistreatment of the woman character, complete with embarrassment, humiliation and being presented as both a sex object and a slut. You've got it all there. Another totally nonsensical angle/stipulation with the same "morals" came a few months later in the Goldust vs Jarrett feud, in which Debra had to strip if Jarrett lost. I don't remember the details exactly, but it was just the same kind of mess with screwed up dynamics and way to present the female character.
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I still remember how nice Zack Morris was by putting some money in the payphone for the homeless father to get. You are so dating youselves. (and yes, I watched Saved by the Bell too, and I got a kick out of having the two hot girls showing up in minor roles in two Woody Allen movies years later)
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Excellent match. I can't believe WWF didn't do that one PPV in 1992, when it was actually the first meeting between those two. Agreed it was a Hogan match and not a Flair match, but it's also the best Hogan match since the Hansen one at the Tokyo Dome in 1990, and probably much better than anything he did during his stay in the WWF. Once I get past the whole hulk up gimmick which I don't care for, the work is about as good as you'll get from a 40+ years old Hogan match. Flair is tremendous adapting to his style, they actually work some real surprising tide reversals (finish could have come sooner in a lesser match), and all felt really like the biggest match in WCW history, and actually the biggest match in US wrestling in years. Judging from this one alone, getting Hogan was indeed a coup, as the PPV felt more major league and big time than any other WCW PPV in history so far (the fact it was a great PPV from start to finish didn't hurt either), with a big and super heated crowd. Under control, Hogan could have worked out much better in the long haul.... ... but of course backstage you see Brother Bruti and Hacksaw Duggan show up... maybe things won't look that great for too long...
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I don't know what match you were all watching, really. I thought this was excellent, slow build to an exciting finish match. The "Dragon Slayer" tights are glorious. Austin was already looking like the next Flair.
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Good match, as even Arn was excellent on the outside despite not actually wrestling. Buck is still dull as all hell, but Funk is so great it doesn't matter. In true WCW fashion, the director actually misses Arn's DDT. The highlight of a decent feud thus far.
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Sports is never a progressive place to begin with. There's a reason why. (and wrestling has always been at the bottom of the barrel on social representations anyway : misoginy, xenophobia and homophobia are rampant, always have been in pro-wrestling)
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I have batch an eye or two to the documentary. Holy shit, they actually illustrate how "superior storytelling that made sense" was the backbone of the era by showing clips of "It was me all along", Helmsley and Stephy getting married and Big Boss Man dragging Big Show's dad coffin around. How do you say already ? BONG ?
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"He's ambitiously stupid" - Why Scott Keith's new book is scary bad
El-P replied to Bix's topic in Megathread archive
So, the sharpest thing he ever said was actually Cornette's. -
We need a scorecard for Terry Funk retirements vs Flair marriages. 18 times divorcee !!! Woooo ! To be with the Man, you've got to marry the Man !
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One week before the biggest match in the history of our sport, Flair plays total bitch to Sting, gets no offense in, Sherri disguised as a guy because she was banned from ringside (while Hogan of course can sit right before the ring, what an asshole), Mr. T saves Hogan from a Flair beatdown. Well, didn't take long to turn into complete shitty booking.
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