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I think now is the time to drop the old fart line about "lost art" and such.
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Pretty much. Which is why I can't stand WWE's Rey. Because everything revolves around that stupid spot.
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The voice-over Bischoff and Heenan was so poorly executed. I didn't bother listening to Hogan's promo, I do have a life. Savage's comes out and cuts a rather heelish (and good) promo, to say the least. He comes off like a huge star, but the idea of him feuding with Hogan is yet another step toward the WWFization of the promotion. Meanwhile, Vince is pissed and depressed.
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Yep, great post Dylan. I totally agree, and it's an awesome summary of why Terry Funk is also my favourite wrestler. And then you can talk about his hilarious promo skills too.
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Okay. So I guess it's on its way. Savage finally shows up. Sting is not even Hogan's first bitch now. The Franchise of WCW must be so sad. No wonder he fall into Flair's arms again at the end of 1995, he needed some old-school WCW comfort. The one thing positive I can get from Hogan's reign of terror was John Tenta getting a push as a monster again. I always enjoyed Tenta's work, and thus far he doesn't disapoint at all. It's fun to see the contrast with Vader, as they really are the polar opposite in term of how they play the role (some may argue that Tenta could actually play the montain of a man part better, as Vader was always overbumping a tad too much in that respect, but this comes from his über workrate approach he got from Japan).
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Nope. On which B-shows was that ? Sounds pretty good on paper. Although I must say I've been pretty disapointed with S&S, not that I excepted them to be great or anything, but The Patriot seems to be not nearly as good as I remembered him to be. Maybe he got better in 1997. To me Bagwell clearly carried the team. Their matches with Pretty Wonderful rarely goes above decent, and most have a bizarre finish with kinda fluke pins. On the other hand, Paul Roma is doing the best work of his career a this point. It took a while for him and Orndorff to really get into a groove, and they are more a fun team rather than a very good one, but I enjoy Roma more than I ever did at this point.
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[1994-11-26-WCW-Saturday Night] Steve Austin vs Jim Duggan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
One thing I'll say about Duggan, he worked way harder facing Austin and Vader than he did during his entire WWF career, resulting in having also much better matches. Maybe the fact he was actually featured in longer matches pushed him, but as much as I can't stand the character and the fact he got here by being Hogan's friend, he did show up to work, at least at the beginning against excellent opponents. Austin making fun of Duggan is pretty priceless.- 6 replies
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Well, I'll take a break after completing 1994, I think I'll need one despite all the FF. But yeah, I feel like the most fun part of WCW in 1995 will be on the B and C shows. For instance, I just saw a pretty cool Dustin Rhodes vs Jean Paul Levesque from Pro, called by Gordon Solie, Dusty & Zbyszko. Solie calling a HHH match is pretty surreal. Funny to think it would be a WrestleMania match a few years later. Levesque really showed potential, but he also butchered a flying knee like I've rarely seen. Good little match though for someone who was still green (and he already was doing the Pedigree in squashes too).
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Sting must be thinking "Awww crap, I was the franchise and the face of WCW, now I'm barely Randy Savage in his best Hogan's bitch role, wearing stupid red and yellow". Wait, no he was probably thinking "Yeh, I have a new brother in paint because we lifted weights and went surfing together !" The match itself is not too bad since Dave Sullivan is ejected early and Tenta carries the whole thing on his back (Sullivan works decently hard too). It's amazing how useless and inept Beefcake was, as the match totally dies each time he enters the ring. It's also amazing to consider they still went with him main eventing Starrcade when it was obvious nobody gave a shit about him. Why not go with Hogan vs Avalanche instead ? Tenta could work and knew out to heat heat. Anyway... Shitty undecipherable finish and it's funny how Stars & Stripes are just thrown to the lions one hour after they regain the World Tag Team Titles. Way to make them look like jobbers. Beefcake uses the lethal sleeper on Hogan and Heenan says it's dangerous as it could lead to brain damage for Hogan. Well, that would give us two Dave Sullivan then. Not too bad of a match thanks to Tenta, horrible angle. Beefcake is one of the most useless worker ever.
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[1994-11-16-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXIX] Vader vs Dustin Rhodes
El-P replied to Loss's topic in November 1994
Vader and Dustin proudly carry the flag of old-school WCW with stiff work, hate-filled brawling, shit kicking and a damn super match that look nearly out of place in the Hogan running wild context. Thankfully Duggan shows up at the end to remind us where exactly we are now (although it will lead to Duggan's best match since Mid-South so I can't complain too much). Each time I see Dustin and Vader work together,a nd they always had excellent match at this point, I think about the weirdo Roya Rumble 1998 matcg they had together, during the AFKAG phase.- 11 replies
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Can't wait for Dylan's monster post, as Terry Funk being the greatest wrestler ever is the biggest point we agree about.
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I always loved Chono's breathing...
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600 pounds Avalanche. I didn't see that one coming.
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[1990-08-27-WWF-Summerslam] Mr Perfect vs Kerry Von Erich
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
So, basically Kerry got the IC title because Beefcake got that parasailing accident. Either a IC champion with no face (and no talent) or a IC champion with no left (right ?) foot (and no brain left). Yeah, would have been a huge match a few years earlier. -
[1990-08-27-WWF-Summerslam] The Rockers vs Power & Glory
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
I think Paul Roma was the very first turn I ever seen. And it was special to me. Why can't I be 14 again ? -
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I figure I will enjoy Evad vs DDP to a point, because I'm a DDP fan, and he's at his best when working with inferior/lazy workers, as his overachievness tendencies pushes him to drag a load beyond their usual capacities. Well, we're talking about the Equalizer, but still. Plus having him on a low/mid card feud just wouldn't be as infuriating as when he's interacting with Flair to build the biggest match in WCW history. He's still the worst thing thus far in 1994 (although Da Butcher is getting close).
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[1994-10-29-WCW-Saturday Night] Sting and Kevin Sullivan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1994
Sting is an idiot. What else is new ?- 7 replies
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That is true, but I take full responsability on this one. I know I was using a rather "offensive" word. I wouldn't put it in the same class of offensive as "faggot" or "nigger" myself, neither in English nor their French equivalents, not even close. It's not that I was not aware of it, although I don't think so. I think there's also a cultural gap of sorts and although our (in France, and Europe in general) society are becoming more and more politically correct, it's still not as bad as it is in the US. And yes, I consider it bad because at some point, you can't say anything anymore. I always thought the use of "african-american" to be stupid as hell for instance. But hey, that's another debate. Like I said the first time I replied, I will not use the term in that context anymore so to not offend anyone. Case closed. (as far as Asya goes, of course I understand the point, but I still found it ironic that in the course of two post the same guy was saying it was cool to see a woman get slapped around, basically, yet asked for more political correctness on my part. Doesn't matter if Asya was a shitty worker who didn't sell, really, the irony was in the two successive sentences)
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Why didn't you said it the very first time in a polite way instead of talking to me like I was some offensive asshole to begin with ? Jeeez. I would have apologized for the offense and would have gently moved on. It would have saved us (and the infortunates who had to read this) a lot of bullshit from both parts.
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Try to understand what I wrote above. And stop crying, please. It is getting suspect.
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[1994-04-30-WCW-Worldwide] Vader vs Cactus Jack (Texas Death)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in April 1994
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Just a word : You were using the term as a pejorative. If I were referring to Adrian Adonis as a "faggot", it would not be okay, even if he were portraying a homosexual. Because "faggot" is a gay slur. Adrian Adonis' gimmick was a homophobic gimmick which purpose was to get homophobic heat from the babyface (although homophobic) crowd. By calling him a "faggot", you are into the whole dynamic of the gimmick which is to call him a "fucking faggot", which is hateful. Dave Sullivan's gimmick (like most mentally disabled gimmick in wrestling) is a babyface gimmick which is supposed to get sympathy from the babyface crowd because of his mental disability. It's not supposed to draw "retard" chants from the audience, as they are supposed to either feel for him or even identify with him as having the same icon and role model in Hulk Hogan. It's a childlike figure, or the image of what the bookers think a childlike figure should project from a mentally disabled grown up, and in that matter it is actually already pretty offensive toward the mentally disabled people. Me calling him a "retard" is pointing both the whole hypocrisy and unassumed irony of the whole thing, as if you are honest Dave's gimmick was one of a "retard" in that the definition of the character is precisely the idea that the people creating it have of mentally disabled people, the same way they picture gay characters in the most cliché manner imaginable. The difference being in their mind that gay = evil (because they are GAYS) while retards = good (because they are FUNNY), but this is basically the exact same sort of thinking and looking down at people in both cases. Thus the whole empathy/identification stuff being quite funny in that they are actually identifying Hulkamaniacs to their own idea of what a "retard" is. If you can't grasp the difference between the two, well, too bad.
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Your double standarts are admirable. Your attempt at humour, not so much. Plus I don't know why you are still bitching about at this point since I already mentionned *twice* I wouldn't use the incriminated word anymore in that context so that I would not offend anyone. So basically you are kinda trolling me at this point. (as far as my girlfriend goes, I only beat her when the dumb bitch asks for it. Take that with or without a grain of salt, whichever suits you the best, really.)
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Sorry to ask, but what does that : even means ??