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[1994-10-02-WCW-Main Event] Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Dave Sullivan & Mr T
El-P replied to Loss's topic in October 1994
This is godawful. The only thing that makes sense is that you have to be a retard to be a Hulkamaniac at this point. Magic slippers.... This is embarrassing. And really, Flair agrees to put his career on the line in exchange of what ? A tag match against Hogan and Dave Sullivan on the Main Event ? WTF ? Nothing here makes sense, everything is stupid, everything is horrible. I knew this was gonna be bad, I never guessed it would be THAT GODWAFUL. Seriously. This is evidently the lowest era ever of WCW so far. Makes WCW mid 1993 look like Zenjo from the same time period.- 7 replies
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[1994-09-24-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Ric Flair & Sensuous Sherri
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Sherri's makeup is an epic fail. But her back is sexy. And she was probably on coke. Flair, knowing he'll had to deal witH Dave Sullivan, is in goof mode. The contrast is striking as this segment comes right after the Press Conference. Daved Sulivan the Hulkamaniac is quickly becoming the most annying character of the year. He was simply useless before, but it's getting fucking unbearable to see him having a role in big angles. Poor Kevin, he was so great in SMW and has this shit to work with here. He can't get the book too early to me, but that won't happen before mid 1995 I believe. As far as the whole Real World Champion deal, yes, it was totally WWF-like, but that was Bischoff whole angle of attack, to be n°1 we have to be what the WWF was when Hogan was there. Hence Jim Duggan, Honky Tonk Man, Flair as the Real World Champion, Brother Bruti, soon the Canadian Earth... I mean Avalanche. The positive thing out of this is that Randy Savage came back to wrestling instead of being wasted as an announcer. The whole nWo angle started the same way : here come the real cool WWF guys, and they are better than the old traditionnal boring WCW guys. Of course in this case it was good because it was fresh, new and inventive as opposed to a bad rehash of Hogan's glory days in a hostile setting.- 7 replies
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[1994-09-24-WCW-Saturday Night] Halloween Havoc Press Conference
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Fuck me, I actually like Hogan here, he's low key and serious and comes off like a legit champ and not an unlikable guy at all. Flair's promo is great. Without the involvment of Mr. T (seriously...) and Ali, it would have been an excellent angle to sell the match. As it is, they did gave it away totally by having these guests around.- 6 replies
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After being underwhelmed, to say the least, by this feud as a whole, I was wondering if I was gonna still love this match. Well, yes I did. MOTYC, and probably the second best Wargames behind 1992. The only thing it lacks is blood, which in a match involving Dustin Rhodes, Arn Anderson, Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes in a cage feels odd, but that's all WCW politics. Anyway, I agree the order was pretty much perfect, having Saggs coming in second as he's effectively the second "best" worker of his team, having Dusty come in at the very end and get the huge pop of the night (and since Wargames is his creation it only makes it better), having Rob Parker sweat it like hell. BTW, I'm not a big fan of the Col. Parker character as I've said, but Fuller is always great in big angles like this. He was awesome in the chicken suit angle, and he's awesome here too, looking terrified but not in a goofy unrealistic way, and like Loss said making himself seem incompetent in teh ring (which is not something I usually enjoy). Dusty and Arn work a great first segment, highlighted by teh infamous "Arn's head in between the two rings" spot. I couldn't disagree more on Funk though, he's amazing, he looks totally insane, he's funny without hurting the seriousness and violent aura of the match, does dangerous spots (Saggs could have hurt him pretty bad on that piledriver between the rings), has awesome facials and taunts. Terry Funk was incredible here once again. All in all, and lack of blood notwithstanding, it's a great brawling match who actually told a story while remaining organic and really chaotic, the pay-off is perfect (gotta love the Nasties dropping on Fuller left and right). This is one if not the most satisfaying moment in WCW that year.
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Hogan gets booed again, which is always fun to me. Flair is cool, got beautiful women around him and comes off very likable. Hogan comes off like a big goof in a gym with a sneeky rat like Jimmy Hart doing seedy business. This is complete shit, like most of what Hogan has done since he came on board. Man, I was curious to revisit this in context, and it's actually worse than I thought. Also, you want to just slap the fuck out of Gene Okerlund. GET OFF HOGAN'S DICK NOW !
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[1994-09-18-WCW-Fall Brawl] Vader vs Guardian Angel / Vader vs Sting
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Cheap finish aside, this was another chapter in the great Vader vs Sting feud, probably the best ever in WCW history in term of in-ring work goes. I enjoyed the Guardian Angel match as a cool big man appetizer, but the real deal begins with Sting. Sting is just not as impressive as he was in 92 and 93 working against Vader, but it's still a pretty epic match, especially with the overtimes. Vader is awesome, even though he had gained some weight at this point. During the overtimes he's like "I've knocked down Takada, I'm gonna knock you clown down too !". The screw job finisher is sad to end such a great rivalry indeed (and the idiot time keeper who didn't ring the bell at the end of the overtime hurt also), but that will give us a huge Vader vs Hogan match at Starrcade so... wait, wait just a minute...- 17 replies
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[1994-09-18-WCW-Fall Brawl] Cactus Jack vs Kevin Sullivan (Loser Leaves WCW)
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
I wonder who thought Dave Sullivan was a good idea. The guy was a shitty worker, a shitty promo and had a shitty character made worse by teh whole Hulkamaniac deal. Cactus takes some really uneeded bumps here, for such a match.- 12 replies
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[1994-09-18-WCW-Fall Brawl] Steve Austin and Jim Duggan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Gotta love how when Duggan blows Hogan on interview he gets booed. Roanoke, Virginia baby, horsemen country. Hogan's name already got booed earlier when Gene said he would interview him. But yeah. Austin is actually pretty great, both in his promo when he gets the belt, and selling Duggan's intro and win. But it's just fucking ridiculous. Can't market a guy in black boots and trunks, eh, Bischoff ? Good thing I wasn't watching WCW back then, I would have thrown something into my TV set.- 11 replies
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[1994-09-17-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Hulk Hogan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Hogan's promos from the beach are basically all the same kind of bullshit we've seen since he won the title at Mania in 1993. He's promoting Thunder in Paradise harder than WCW.- 7 replies
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It appears to be the last match he called on Worldwide too, he was gone the following week. Another case of Hogan's bad influence. Too bad, I loved Ventura. Makes a great point about Hogan being a hypocrite. This is basically a competitive squash, which is sad but every Armstrong was a jobber at this point. But for a competitive squash, it's pretty great. Vader brings out urgency in BA, which is something you rarely see, and Vader himself looks thrilled to work with him.
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What ? the Bruise Borthers ? Again ? How many times did these guy show up in WCW working squashes match and leaving after a few weeks ? Barry Darsow as a heckler fan is really, really annoying. I guess that was the point. Too bad he couldn't d the Repo Man, thar was his best gimmick.
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I can believe that, at least the good match with the Shrinkers. Money Inc. I haven't seen in ages. Cool little stuff on WCW TV : Ricky Steamboat working against Jean Paul Levesque on Saturday Night. This reminds me why I really enjoyed HHH as long as he was a mid-card snob, as Levesque obviously had potential already. He actually really destroys Steamboat's shoulder here. I wonder if they would have had a program after Ricky would have dropped back the title to Austin. The debut of Alex Wright, before the haircut and the techno music I love so much. And man did he look like a shitload of potential too, as he was only 18 or so. I never realized he was in WCW so early. First match with Brady Boone, in full Tiger Mask mode, and it really was a proto-cruiserweight match. Pretty neat. Man, was Kimberly Page smoking. Yeah, just wanna mention it. Cactus Jack cutting an intense, great promo in which he mentionned his infamous word ushered in German in a Munich hospital. As good as his ECW stuff from the same timeframe, really. WCW was so blind, losing such a great talent. And a not so cool stuff : Brian Pillman must have been depressed. He's just not used at all. His match with Austin was just a backdrop for an angle with Steamboat, and he's never mentionned again. Poor guy. No wonder he finally snapped, after years and years of working his ass off, getting over both as a face and a heel, surviving the ridiculous Lightheavyweight division, surviving the most ill-fated and rushed babyface turn of the last 3 years (since the Luger turn in 1991 I would say). Nope, not getting anything back.
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How is it not Flair ? Seriously. I liked this a lot. Flair in complete denial getting his heat back by being the coolest cat in Vegas, strutting his stuff and looking like Hogan is way beneath him. Gotta love it. Excellent promo, cool setting. There's a world between this and the totally despisable (for a supposed babyface) and uncool (playing ball on the beach with Bruti and Jimmy Hart, yikes) segment with Hogan the previous week.
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Whatever. Eric Bischoff's hair look fake. As does his smile. God this man was unlikable.
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There you go. If I got more of these kind of matches on a regular basis, I would enjoy the Studd Stable more. Having Buck not in the match would help a lot too. Of course having Terry Funk work doesn't exactly hurt. Even when he's outside the ring, he's the best worker here. The heckler looks like a retard dressed like Spike Dudley. Wait, maybe that was Spike Dudley.
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Good little TV match which should be expected with Arn, Dustin & Steamboat. Buck drags along, as always, channeling Rick Rude doing bear holds in tag matches. Funk crawling under the ring was funny. Oh, Terry... I know the day is coming soon, and I miss Steamboat already.
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In Kitano's masterpiece "Hana-bi", you can see one character wearing a Cactus Jack T-shirt. And of course you got Chono and Tenzan destroying a restaurant in "Glory to the Filmmaker".
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[1994-09-03-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Col. Parker's Army
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
I don't want Jimmy Golden on my TV anymore. Seriously. Why couldn't Meng be a part of War Games instead of Buck ? This is the only long term feud in WCW in 1994, and I don't care very much about it. I would have rather had Dustin work on top against Austin, Vader and Flair to be honest.- 6 replies
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[1994-09-03-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Hulk Hogan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in September 1994
Yes, Hogan is unbearable. He's got everything he wants to, Flair is suspended, yet he finds a way to be a paranoid bitch and even get on the case of Gene Okerlund, who rode his dick from day one. Now I can understand Bruti being pissed because Hogan's only got one dick so he gots to get Gene away from it. Hogan's knee injury looks phony as hell since he's basically playing on the beach. Worst babyface ever.- 6 replies
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If this is the match I think it is, then it's the first "big" wrestling match I ever saw, and of course it was the greatest thing ever to me when I saw it. I miss those times.
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The thing is, if you put aside the first Clash match, which is an incredible carry job from Flair, Flair and Sting really never got the best out of each other. It became really obvious to me watching 1994 as after those great matches with Vader, Sting working Flair has him regressing to chest pumping and no-selling left and right, while Flair reverts to his most routine work in years. For some reasons they had a match in 1990 which was really not that good and it's like it was their reference in how to work together in later years. So yeah, I would agree Flair and Sting just weren't the best dynamic. It's like Hart and Shawn in the WWF, it really never clicked that well in the ring while they had great matches with other workers, including way inferior ones.
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Don't get the facts in the way of a good story I guess. I'm not an expert at all on WWF 1980, but, man, hearing that Backkund couldn't draw a dime and nobody cared about Bob... Hum, what ? Zbyszko is a great storyteller though.
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Miracles have happened before, I think we agreed on several things about ECW, and I would guess I share some of the same opinions about SMW too (Tracy Smothers, DWB, New Jack promo ability etc...). But you and I having strictly oppositve views on things isn't exatcly new indeed. One thing I didn't expect, the Nasty Boys work actually better as a babyface act. They still mostly suck, but they are better at getting their ass kicked and bump around, as ugly as it is, than they are are trying to get heat with those long, horrible, boring control segments that would put even Rick Rude to sleep. Not that I've seen anything actually *good* from them since the great brawl with Cac & Sullivan, but their matches since the turn are not as bad as they have been before. Still, the Nasties stock overall has dropped quite a bit with their comeback in 1993. And it's not like I had a very high opinion of their work before. On the other end, since mid 94, Johnny B. Badd has become a mid-card fixture for good little matches if put together with a solid worker. Mero has come a long way since his debut. In the latter part of 1993 he already showed some solid improvements, and now he's clearly a pretty good worker with a more serious edge to his character.
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[1994-08-27-WCW-Saturday Night] Cactus Jack and Evad Sullivan
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
Very good promo from Cactus. I really enjoyed his whole stint with Sullivan, and here he ties their history together dating back to 1989, which is nice and typical of Cactus. Dave Sullivan doesn't look like he works in the same promotion, with his goofball character and Hulkster T-shirt. Yep, Cactus made the right move.- 8 replies
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[1994-08-27-WCW-Saturday Night] Dusty Rhodes and Nasty Boys vignette
El-P replied to Loss's topic in August 1994
God awful. Looks like a "bad bar" out of a Ninja Turtle movie or something. The Nasty Boys aren't just embarrassing wrestlers, they are also embarrassing actors. But what can you do, Saggs is Dusty's brother in law, and Knobbs is Hogan's pal. Yeah, this is nearly as bad as anything involving Cheatum. But the lack of Cheatum keeps this from being awesomely bad.- 9 replies
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