El-P
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If we're talking about all time favourites : Yoshiaki Tamura : poetry in motion. The best shoot-style worker ever. Mariko Yoshida : see above + workrate style from Zenjo + ultimate stylish wrestler (best outfit ever). Her first 12 months in ARSION were my favourite pro-wrestling ever. Aja Kong : These days I would probably put Bull ahead of her, but I have loved Aja so much for so long. Steve Austin : responsible for the best years I had watching US wrestling. The more I watch him as I dig deeper into his career the more I love his work. Need to see his Dallas work some day as what I read from the Yearbook threads sounds fun to me. Terry Funk : the best ever. If we're talking about these days : Barry Windham : always been a big fan, and going through his WCW years from 91 to 93 has been a blast. Chris Candido : like Funk (or Sabu, sure me!), I never ever get tired of watching this guy. So much fun from his very early days to his very last. Bobby Eaton : He was my favourite wrestler in WCW in 1990. Just an incredibly solid worker who was already quite fantastic in Memphis in his very early days, then of course the entire MX run, and whenever he pops up on a B-show on WCW TV it's always good to watch him work. Vader : man this guy had such a terrific stint in Japan and WCW. Such a unique worker in every way, with tons of classics on his hands. It's too bad the WWF clipped his wings because he should have been huge there too. Raven : yeah, in any incarnation I'm a Scott Levy fan. I'll need to see his Portland stuff one day too. A guy who obviously loves wrestling and to me it translates into his work, depsite his physical limitations. And I love the depressed moody character, I guess because I'm a depressed and moody human being myself, with all the annoyance that goes with it for me and others.
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I would guess because the tatoos were very recognizable and he had been on WWF TV before showing those tatoos. I guess after a while they didn't care anymore once the guy was established.
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[1995-01-14-SMW-TV] Boo Bradley and Cactus Jack vignette
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1995
Cactus is giving Boo his magic slippers which he wore when he defeated Andre the Giant. Wait, wrong promotion. Yep, I felt the dirtyness of this too. Wearing Cactus Jack's old tights... -
[1995-01-21-SMW-TV] Interview: Jim Cornette & Heavenly Bodies
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1995
Great (?) awkward promo. Cornette exploits the race card while trying to say he's not, cattering to the racist tendencies of his audience. AWKWARD ! -
Another amazing promo from Cornette. I love how he deals with all his former (still current ?) ennemies and keeps everything logical. I've said it a thousand times by now, but this is Cornette's strongest point as a booker. Two weeks in a row Corny delivers the terrific material.
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[1995-01-21-SMW-TV] Boo Bradley and Cactus Jack vignette
El-P replied to Loss's topic in January 1995
I dislike the whole "kill the cat" angle, but this was funny. Goofy but funny. -
What a great promo from Cornette. He had a profound understanding of the characters (his and the others) and the dynamic between them, and this is a very subtle promo that he just couldn't do anywhere else. Awesome stuff of putting the whole story together.
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I don't feel like dropping Hash's spot of the GOAT poll was trolling. It was a way to demonstrate that Hash has been highly thought of for quite some time, although not as high as you (and maybe me as a matter of fact, although I don't remember how high I voted him back then) would want to. You have chosen to ignore that point and come back with petty personnal shots at me instead. You way of dealing with it I guess.
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I hate, HATE angles where a pet gets killed by the heel. What it really kills is my suspension of disbelief. This is goofy WWF booking. Disapointed this feud had to take that stupid route.
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The DWG line was hilarious and dirty. Excellent promo from Lawler.
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Trying to proove how "cool" I am on a pro-wrestling board arguing about a dead japanese pro-wrestler being pimped as a great one years ago. Feel the coolness factor. Seriously, let it rest. I will certainly do so. You made a hyperbolic statement, I just put it in perspective, then you made it personnal taking about "gimmick" and "schtick" and "ego".
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The G1 Climax 98 is a great showcase for Hashimoto's talent and character.
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I'd have to see more of Fuji in his prime (which I will do eventually when I get sick of WCW). Probably the only one that could compare as he was really great at one point. Stylistically I'd rather watch Hash any day though. Or Choshu.
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Nice side-stepping. Still no reply on your comment being ridiculously hyperbolic ? Yes ? No ? I guess not. Oh, that's a nice one. Taking about schtick, understand that you can't possibly "discover" every damn great wrestler ever. I get your frustration. I haven't watched puro in years, and old school NJ in probably a decade. To me Hash was the best New Japan heavyweight ever.
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Nice one. I've only been around for the last 14 years. Not that's it's glorious or anything. (BTW, when did I say he was pimped at the level of the AJ boys or Liger ? Oh, yeah, I didn't.) Anyway, Hash *only* finished 24 on the Smarkschoice GOAT poll (in 2006). Yeah, one of the most underrated wrestler that ever lived. Feel the sense of hyperbole. You didn't say it because it's never happened. But it should. Because he's better than all of them sans maybe Kawada That's your opinion. And even with that opinion that doesn't make him the most underrated wrestler that ever lived by a long, long, long shot. The guy has been pimped as a great wrestler foverer. (nice no-sell of the GOAT poll result too)
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Nice one. I've only been around for the last 14 years. Not that's it's glorious or anything. (BTW, when did I say he was pimped at the level of the AJ boys or Liger ? Oh, yeah, I didn't.) Anyway, Hash *only* finished 24 on the Smarkschoice GOAT poll (in 2006). Yeah, one of the most underrated wrestler that ever lived. Feel the sense of hyperbole.
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Let's pimp Shinya !
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I guess it's time to pimp one of the all time great New Japan heavyweight again.
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Since when ? The day I stumbled onto puroresu I heard about Hash as being a great fucking wrestler. Even when the New Japan heavies weren't pimped at all, Hash was the exception to the rule because he was working a stiffer, harder style akin to the AJ guys which were the references back then. I love Hash, he's been a favourite of mine for ever, but it's the first time I've heard of him being "underrated". But hey, if people have forgotten how great he was these days, he should be put back into the mix yesterday indeed.
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Shit ! You know what, this is the very first angle I recall seeing on WWF TV. I remember the beatdown with the BOOT !!!! Superstars on Saturday afternoon 5pm I think. Pro-wrestling was all brand new to me, I was 14, and I was becoming a fan. How time flies...
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And don't forget he worked 90 minutes match everyday in the 80's.... Gotta love those old carnies.
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That's true. But Bret was a much better worker than Shawn anyway. Not even close actually. Then again, I don't want to get into yet another thread about Shawn freaking Micheals.
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I agree with this 100%. The stretch from late 96 to late 97 is probably my favorite era in wrestling. The same here. For someone who was not supposed to be a very good promo, Bret Hart killed it during that period character wise. Working with Austin brought him up to a new level (and vice-versa).
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Last I've seen of Bret was during my 1998 WCW watch a few time ago, and despite the horrible booking he has to suffer through, I was surprised how much I enjoyed him once he effectively turned heel. His character of a complete hypocrite and conniving bastard was the best stuff on WCW TV for a while, and he delivered the two best Luger matches in years on Nitro. Also worked a very strong match against DDP, and cut a lot of good promos. Despite being the ultimate WWF babyface for the post-Hogan, pre-Austin generation, Bret's best work actually came from working heel, and it showed in WCW too. I loved him in the 90's, he was my favourite wrestler back then, and on rewatch and with time, and although I see his flaws, I still enjoy him a lot.
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Actually, Eric Bischoff did a pretty good cover up for this on a Worldwide show, saying that Vader doesn't beat his opponent with just one move, he does it with an accumulation of big moves and beatdown until his opponent can't take it anymore, which was a way to say that Hogan kicking out of the powerbomb didn't mean that much since it was the only move Vader did to him. Anyway, very good match, a top 5 match for Hogan in the 90's for probably. Hogan work reasonnably hard although not nearly as hard as he could, but Vader makes up for it despite working visibly lighter than he does usually. I really don't mind the finish because Vader kicked out of the legdrop at one, and Hogan stayed down after the powerbomb for 10 solid seconds. Made Vader look really strong, just like Hogan having to resort to chairshots to beat him down earlier on (although it's a rather shitty babyface move, but that's Hogan for you). Ric Flair was intense in his run-in like Loss said. Really good stuff all-around to cap-off a pretty bad PPV overall (only Savage/Sting vs Bubba/Avalanche was good, while you had to suffer through horrible matches like Dave vs Kevin Sullivan, Duggan vs Buck, and yet another "Dustin against a boring and bad worker from the Studd Stable in Barry Darsow" match. Poor guy, he was supposed to get the world title at some point in 1994 if Hogan hadn't showed up, and he's been wasted for a year now, Goldust can't happen soon enough to salvage his career at this point)