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  1. El-P
    Sting is an idiot. What else is new ?
  2. El-P
    That is true, but I take full responsability on this one. I know I was using a rather "offensive" word. I wouldn't put it in the same class of offensive as "faggot" or "nigger" myself, neither in English nor their French equivalents, not even close. It's not that I was not aware of it, although I don't think so. I think there's also a cultural gap of sorts and although our (in France, and Europe in general) society are becoming more and more politically correct, it's still not as bad as it is in the US. And yes, I consider it bad because at some point, you can't say anything anymore. I always thought the use of "african-american" to be stupid as hell for instance. But hey, that's another debate. Like I said the first time I replied, I will not use the term in that context anymore so to not offend anyone. Case closed. (as far as Asya goes, of course I understand the point, but I still found it ironic that in the course of two post the same guy was saying it was cool to see a woman get slapped around, basically, yet asked for more political correctness on my part. Doesn't matter if Asya was a shitty worker who didn't sell, really, the irony was in the two successive sentences)
  3. El-P
    Why didn't you said it the very first time in a polite way instead of talking to me like I was some offensive asshole to begin with ? Jeeez. I would have apologized for the offense and would have gently moved on. It would have saved us (and the infortunates who had to read this) a lot of bullshit from both parts.
  4. El-P
    Try to understand what I wrote above. And stop crying, please. It is getting suspect.
  5. El-P
    Yeah, even Tony mentions it.
  6. El-P
    Just a word : You were using the term as a pejorative. If I were referring to Adrian Adonis as a "faggot", it would not be okay, even if he were portraying a homosexual. Because "faggot" is a gay slur. Adrian Adonis' gimmick was a homophobic gimmick which purpose was to get homophobic heat from the babyface (although homophobic) crowd. By calling him a "faggot", you are into the whole dynamic of the gimmick which is to call him a "fucking faggot", which is hateful. Dave Sullivan's gimmick (like most mentally disabled gimmick in wrestling) is a babyface gimmick which is supposed to get sympathy from the babyface crowd because of his mental disability. It's not supposed to draw "retard" chants from the audience, as they are supposed to either feel for him or even identify with him as having the same icon and role model in Hulk Hogan. It's a childlike figure, or the image of what the bookers think a childlike figure should project from a mentally disabled grown up, and in that matter it is actually already pretty offensive toward the mentally disabled people. Me calling him a "retard" is pointing both the whole hypocrisy and unassumed irony of the whole thing, as if you are honest Dave's gimmick was one of a "retard" in that the definition of the character is precisely the idea that the people creating it have of mentally disabled people, the same way they picture gay characters in the most cliché manner imaginable. The difference being in their mind that gay = evil (because they are GAYS) while retards = good (because they are FUNNY), but this is basically the exact same sort of thinking and looking down at people in both cases. Thus the whole empathy/identification stuff being quite funny in that they are actually identifying Hulkamaniacs to their own idea of what a "retard" is. If you can't grasp the difference between the two, well, too bad.
  7. El-P
    Your double standarts are admirable. Your attempt at humour, not so much. Plus I don't know why you are still bitching about at this point since I already mentionned *twice* I wouldn't use the incriminated word anymore in that context so that I would not offend anyone. So basically you are kinda trolling me at this point. (as far as my girlfriend goes, I only beat her when the dumb bitch asks for it. Take that with or without a grain of salt, whichever suits you the best, really.)
  8. El-P
    Sorry to ask, but what does that : even means ??
  9. El-P
    I don't ever use the words "nigger" and "faggot".
  10. El-P
    She is a pro wrestler and had spent the last six month fighting men. So no it doesn't count. A man hiting a woman is projecting woman abuse, no matter what the circumstances. And it's not like WCW was a mutant freak show like ECW was, it was a mainstream program with kids watching. That's hateful. I don't remember if Sullivan was a heel (probably) or not, but it doesn't change the fact you thought it was pretty great to see a guy knocking the piss (your words) out of a woman. And at the same time, you're complaining because of a use of a word that you say is a "hateful slur" in that context (a post about a pro-wrestling character that is basically "slow", on a pro-wrestling board) as bad as "fag" or "nigger". I personnaly find it both ridiculous and hypocritical. So yeah, I'll stop using said word refering to Dave Sullivan's gimmick because I do not want to offense anyone (in case it would). That being said, I still can have a fat laugh out of the whole thing, thank you.
  11. El-P
    In America maybe, unless she did it in a Savage match too. With the average workrate of woman's US wrestling, I can't really see it happening. In Japan, Bull Nakano dropped a freaking legdrop from the top of a cage in 1990 or so.
  12. El-P
    "A guy knocking the piss out of a woman was fucking great. Props to him for that one." (because she was a bodybuilder that does not count as woman abuse I guess ?) "You should refrain from using the word retard in that context, it's a hateful slur" That made my day. I wonder what if Sulli had been knocking the piss out of a retarded (in gimmick) woman. Hateful ? Not hateful ? But hey, since I'm a nice guy and don't want to offense anyone, I won't use the word "retard" about Dave Sullivan anymore nor the Hulkamaniacs anymore. Let's be PC. I will keep on using "this angle was retarded" though. (As far as Golden goes, this is exactly my feelings too : just bland as hell, nothing too bad nor too good about him)
  13. El-P
    Halloween Havoc 1994 is really the first "Hogan era WCW" PPV, with title matches involving Honky Tonk Man and Jim Duggan, Falir "retiring" and a whole post-main event basically time-warping into WWF circa 1990. The Dave Sullivan gimmick, complete with godawful "I wanna be a Hulkamaniac" theme song is actually pretty unintentionnaly funny, as the message it sends it basically that you really have to be a complete retard to be a Hulkamaniac. I guess no one got the irony, especially not the real retard Hogan look-alike in the crowd. Also, I think this is the first occurence of a clear showcase of complete disdain between Tony Schiavone and Bobby Heenan.
  14. El-P
    The match itself is pretty hot until the last mintutes, but Hogan is the shittiest babyface ever. He keeps his shirt with him in his tights only to choke Flair seconds into the match, then threatens the referee. Way to go ! Anyway, Masked Man, abusing a woman in bras, panties & stockings, a nonsensical "hadncuff the referee and beat him up spot" which kinda kill the purpose of winning the match, more abusing a woman because Hogan is just that kind of a babyface, swerve. Who booked this shit ? Russo ? The post-match is actually pretty hot in all its ridiculous glory, especially in retrospect, with Heenan dropping the "he butchered a friendship" several times, while Schiavone was forced to deliver the "this building is rumbling like there's an avalanche" or some nonsense. Hilarious. Of course Quake squashes Hogan, and you can send you get well postcards to Titan Tow... wait a minute. Too bad Fred Ottman wasn't on the roster anymore, I'm sure they could have renamed him Steamboat (awful pun intended). I'm gald this wasn't Flair's retirement match because the ending was godawful, and it was pretty much always in the plan for him to come back at some point in 1995 so I don't mind the disappear act at all. The post match revealed the direction of the new WCW for the year to come. It will be so bad I'll probably enjoy it more than watching Flair degrading himself in angles with Dave Sullivan and playing Hogan's bitch. (Sherri's jump from the top of the cage was insane, and she worked much harder than Hogan, who threw some really lazy looking shots in this match. And she had a great ass, yes, I said it.)
  15. El-P
    Odd booking to have another match between the two after the Wargames. Still, it was a very good match with tons of crisp work and a good build of intensity. Lot of really good counters. Far from their classic in January 1992, but they were not given the time to do it either. Post-match beating, the feud goes on. Well, it really diminishes the value of Wargames, but I can take more of Arn vs Dustin any day so I'm ok with this.
  16. El-P
    He's your hook up. Holla if you hear him.
  17. El-P
    Now that you're giving me the details, yeah, I remember reading about it. But *my* memory is shot apparently, and Windham's pretty good after all since he mentionned how Flair didn't had an issue with doing the job.
  18. El-P
    Really ? Well, you learn everyday. Mea culpa. The Timeline was still way boring.
  19. El-P
    The training was a reference to Rocky III, and to show T. is a bad motha. I guess. Yes, stupid, useless and distracting. But the entire build to this match has been godawful was the whole thing orbiting around Dave "Retard Hulkamaniac" Sullivan and random masked guys (Back Scorpions I guess).
  20. El-P
    Blueblood Hunter is actually my favourite part of his career. He was a pretty good hard worker who didn't oversold his own ability, he was in a right spot on a card (mid-card, upper midcard), a spot he should (and would) never have left if not for politics anyway.
  21. El-P
    Barry Windham delivers his share of bullshit in his 1991 Timeline too (which is pretty boring, Windham looks and sounds old, kinda sad). Biggest one is Flair was supposed to drop the belt to him before he left. Maybe his memory is just shot...
  22. El-P
    Flair's promo was excellent. Hogan's is decent for a face Hulk promo, which I can't stand, brutha. Hogan's got an annoying, noisy way to breathe when he cuts his promos, I wonder if anyone has noticed it.
  23. El-P
    I can't stand Gene Okerlund anymore. He's just a Hogan croonie at this point.
  24. El-P
    I expected WCW TV to become bad once Hogan got on board, but I didn't expect it to sink so low so quick. I know Flair was the head booker at this point, was he responsible for the Dave Sullivan shit or was that Jimmy Hart putting his two cents to Hogan blowing goo all over the booking ? It's unbearable. Also, never realized how much Hunter Hearst Helmsley was a total copycat from Jean Paul Lesveque blue blodd gimmick. Everything was there, everything. Another case of hurting the myth of Vince knowing how to create great characters. It was a complete gimmick rip-off.
  25. El-P

    1990 Drinking Game

    El-P replied to Loss's topic in 1990

    Homophobic statement notwithstanding (which I always despise in the mouth of a supposed babyface), it's makes no sense indeed when you had Cornette having a hard on for Woman each time she would show up on the Louisville Slugger. Ross was often unbearable at that point I thought, no matter how good he could be calling a big match.
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