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  1. El-P
    I don't ever use the words "nigger" and "faggot".
  2. El-P
    She is a pro wrestler and had spent the last six month fighting men. So no it doesn't count. A man hiting a woman is projecting woman abuse, no matter what the circumstances. And it's not like WCW was a mutant freak show like ECW was, it was a mainstream program with kids watching. That's hateful. I don't remember if Sullivan was a heel (probably) or not, but it doesn't change the fact you thought it was pretty great to see a guy knocking the piss (your words) out of a woman. And at the same time, you're complaining because of a use of a word that you say is a "hateful slur" in that context (a post about a pro-wrestling character that is basically "slow", on a pro-wrestling board) as bad as "fag" or "nigger". I personnaly find it both ridiculous and hypocritical. So yeah, I'll stop using said word refering to Dave Sullivan's gimmick because I do not want to offense anyone (in case it would). That being said, I still can have a fat laugh out of the whole thing, thank you.
  3. El-P
    In America maybe, unless she did it in a Savage match too. With the average workrate of woman's US wrestling, I can't really see it happening. In Japan, Bull Nakano dropped a freaking legdrop from the top of a cage in 1990 or so.
  4. El-P
    "A guy knocking the piss out of a woman was fucking great. Props to him for that one." (because she was a bodybuilder that does not count as woman abuse I guess ?) "You should refrain from using the word retard in that context, it's a hateful slur" That made my day. I wonder what if Sulli had been knocking the piss out of a retarded (in gimmick) woman. Hateful ? Not hateful ? But hey, since I'm a nice guy and don't want to offense anyone, I won't use the word "retard" about Dave Sullivan anymore nor the Hulkamaniacs anymore. Let's be PC. I will keep on using "this angle was retarded" though. (As far as Golden goes, this is exactly my feelings too : just bland as hell, nothing too bad nor too good about him)
  5. El-P
    Halloween Havoc 1994 is really the first "Hogan era WCW" PPV, with title matches involving Honky Tonk Man and Jim Duggan, Falir "retiring" and a whole post-main event basically time-warping into WWF circa 1990. The Dave Sullivan gimmick, complete with godawful "I wanna be a Hulkamaniac" theme song is actually pretty unintentionnaly funny, as the message it sends it basically that you really have to be a complete retard to be a Hulkamaniac. I guess no one got the irony, especially not the real retard Hogan look-alike in the crowd. Also, I think this is the first occurence of a clear showcase of complete disdain between Tony Schiavone and Bobby Heenan.
  6. El-P
    The match itself is pretty hot until the last mintutes, but Hogan is the shittiest babyface ever. He keeps his shirt with him in his tights only to choke Flair seconds into the match, then threatens the referee. Way to go ! Anyway, Masked Man, abusing a woman in bras, panties & stockings, a nonsensical "hadncuff the referee and beat him up spot" which kinda kill the purpose of winning the match, more abusing a woman because Hogan is just that kind of a babyface, swerve. Who booked this shit ? Russo ? The post-match is actually pretty hot in all its ridiculous glory, especially in retrospect, with Heenan dropping the "he butchered a friendship" several times, while Schiavone was forced to deliver the "this building is rumbling like there's an avalanche" or some nonsense. Hilarious. Of course Quake squashes Hogan, and you can send you get well postcards to Titan Tow... wait a minute. Too bad Fred Ottman wasn't on the roster anymore, I'm sure they could have renamed him Steamboat (awful pun intended). I'm gald this wasn't Flair's retirement match because the ending was godawful, and it was pretty much always in the plan for him to come back at some point in 1995 so I don't mind the disappear act at all. The post match revealed the direction of the new WCW for the year to come. It will be so bad I'll probably enjoy it more than watching Flair degrading himself in angles with Dave Sullivan and playing Hogan's bitch. (Sherri's jump from the top of the cage was insane, and she worked much harder than Hogan, who threw some really lazy looking shots in this match. And she had a great ass, yes, I said it.)
  7. El-P
    Odd booking to have another match between the two after the Wargames. Still, it was a very good match with tons of crisp work and a good build of intensity. Lot of really good counters. Far from their classic in January 1992, but they were not given the time to do it either. Post-match beating, the feud goes on. Well, it really diminishes the value of Wargames, but I can take more of Arn vs Dustin any day so I'm ok with this.
  8. El-P
    He's your hook up. Holla if you hear him.
  9. El-P
    Now that you're giving me the details, yeah, I remember reading about it. But *my* memory is shot apparently, and Windham's pretty good after all since he mentionned how Flair didn't had an issue with doing the job.
  10. El-P
    Really ? Well, you learn everyday. Mea culpa. The Timeline was still way boring.
  11. El-P
    The training was a reference to Rocky III, and to show T. is a bad motha. I guess. Yes, stupid, useless and distracting. But the entire build to this match has been godawful was the whole thing orbiting around Dave "Retard Hulkamaniac" Sullivan and random masked guys (Back Scorpions I guess).
  12. El-P
    Blueblood Hunter is actually my favourite part of his career. He was a pretty good hard worker who didn't oversold his own ability, he was in a right spot on a card (mid-card, upper midcard), a spot he should (and would) never have left if not for politics anyway.
  13. El-P
    Barry Windham delivers his share of bullshit in his 1991 Timeline too (which is pretty boring, Windham looks and sounds old, kinda sad). Biggest one is Flair was supposed to drop the belt to him before he left. Maybe his memory is just shot...
  14. El-P
    Flair's promo was excellent. Hogan's is decent for a face Hulk promo, which I can't stand, brutha. Hogan's got an annoying, noisy way to breathe when he cuts his promos, I wonder if anyone has noticed it.
  15. El-P
    I can't stand Gene Okerlund anymore. He's just a Hogan croonie at this point.
  16. El-P
    I expected WCW TV to become bad once Hogan got on board, but I didn't expect it to sink so low so quick. I know Flair was the head booker at this point, was he responsible for the Dave Sullivan shit or was that Jimmy Hart putting his two cents to Hogan blowing goo all over the booking ? It's unbearable. Also, never realized how much Hunter Hearst Helmsley was a total copycat from Jean Paul Lesveque blue blodd gimmick. Everything was there, everything. Another case of hurting the myth of Vince knowing how to create great characters. It was a complete gimmick rip-off.
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    1990 Drinking Game

    El-P replied to Loss's topic in 1990

    Homophobic statement notwithstanding (which I always despise in the mouth of a supposed babyface), it's makes no sense indeed when you had Cornette having a hard on for Woman each time she would show up on the Louisville Slugger. Ross was often unbearable at that point I thought, no matter how good he could be calling a big match.
  18. El-P
    This is godawful. The only thing that makes sense is that you have to be a retard to be a Hulkamaniac at this point. Magic slippers.... This is embarrassing. And really, Flair agrees to put his career on the line in exchange of what ? A tag match against Hogan and Dave Sullivan on the Main Event ? WTF ? Nothing here makes sense, everything is stupid, everything is horrible. I knew this was gonna be bad, I never guessed it would be THAT GODWAFUL. Seriously. This is evidently the lowest era ever of WCW so far. Makes WCW mid 1993 look like Zenjo from the same time period.
  19. El-P
    Sherri's makeup is an epic fail. But her back is sexy. And she was probably on coke. Flair, knowing he'll had to deal witH Dave Sullivan, is in goof mode. The contrast is striking as this segment comes right after the Press Conference. Daved Sulivan the Hulkamaniac is quickly becoming the most annying character of the year. He was simply useless before, but it's getting fucking unbearable to see him having a role in big angles. Poor Kevin, he was so great in SMW and has this shit to work with here. He can't get the book too early to me, but that won't happen before mid 1995 I believe. As far as the whole Real World Champion deal, yes, it was totally WWF-like, but that was Bischoff whole angle of attack, to be n°1 we have to be what the WWF was when Hogan was there. Hence Jim Duggan, Honky Tonk Man, Flair as the Real World Champion, Brother Bruti, soon the Canadian Earth... I mean Avalanche. The positive thing out of this is that Randy Savage came back to wrestling instead of being wasted as an announcer. The whole nWo angle started the same way : here come the real cool WWF guys, and they are better than the old traditionnal boring WCW guys. Of course in this case it was good because it was fresh, new and inventive as opposed to a bad rehash of Hogan's glory days in a hostile setting.
  20. El-P
    Fuck me, I actually like Hogan here, he's low key and serious and comes off like a legit champ and not an unlikable guy at all. Flair's promo is great. Without the involvment of Mr. T (seriously...) and Ali, it would have been an excellent angle to sell the match. As it is, they did gave it away totally by having these guests around.
  21. El-P
    After being underwhelmed, to say the least, by this feud as a whole, I was wondering if I was gonna still love this match. Well, yes I did. MOTYC, and probably the second best Wargames behind 1992. The only thing it lacks is blood, which in a match involving Dustin Rhodes, Arn Anderson, Terry Funk and Dusty Rhodes in a cage feels odd, but that's all WCW politics. Anyway, I agree the order was pretty much perfect, having Saggs coming in second as he's effectively the second "best" worker of his team, having Dusty come in at the very end and get the huge pop of the night (and since Wargames is his creation it only makes it better), having Rob Parker sweat it like hell. BTW, I'm not a big fan of the Col. Parker character as I've said, but Fuller is always great in big angles like this. He was awesome in the chicken suit angle, and he's awesome here too, looking terrified but not in a goofy unrealistic way, and like Loss said making himself seem incompetent in teh ring (which is not something I usually enjoy). Dusty and Arn work a great first segment, highlighted by teh infamous "Arn's head in between the two rings" spot. I couldn't disagree more on Funk though, he's amazing, he looks totally insane, he's funny without hurting the seriousness and violent aura of the match, does dangerous spots (Saggs could have hurt him pretty bad on that piledriver between the rings), has awesome facials and taunts. Terry Funk was incredible here once again. All in all, and lack of blood notwithstanding, it's a great brawling match who actually told a story while remaining organic and really chaotic, the pay-off is perfect (gotta love the Nasties dropping on Fuller left and right). This is one if not the most satisfaying moment in WCW that year.
  22. El-P
    Hogan gets booed again, which is always fun to me. Flair is cool, got beautiful women around him and comes off very likable. Hogan comes off like a big goof in a gym with a sneeky rat like Jimmy Hart doing seedy business. This is complete shit, like most of what Hogan has done since he came on board. Man, I was curious to revisit this in context, and it's actually worse than I thought. Also, you want to just slap the fuck out of Gene Okerlund. GET OFF HOGAN'S DICK NOW !
  23. El-P
    Cheap finish aside, this was another chapter in the great Vader vs Sting feud, probably the best ever in WCW history in term of in-ring work goes. I enjoyed the Guardian Angel match as a cool big man appetizer, but the real deal begins with Sting. Sting is just not as impressive as he was in 92 and 93 working against Vader, but it's still a pretty epic match, especially with the overtimes. Vader is awesome, even though he had gained some weight at this point. During the overtimes he's like "I've knocked down Takada, I'm gonna knock you clown down too !". The screw job finisher is sad to end such a great rivalry indeed (and the idiot time keeper who didn't ring the bell at the end of the overtime hurt also), but that will give us a huge Vader vs Hogan match at Starrcade so... wait, wait just a minute...
  24. El-P
    I wonder who thought Dave Sullivan was a good idea. The guy was a shitty worker, a shitty promo and had a shitty character made worse by teh whole Hulkamaniac deal. Cactus takes some really uneeded bumps here, for such a match.
  25. El-P
    Gotta love how when Duggan blows Hogan on interview he gets booed. Roanoke, Virginia baby, horsemen country. Hogan's name already got booed earlier when Gene said he would interview him. But yeah. Austin is actually pretty great, both in his promo when he gets the belt, and selling Duggan's intro and win. But it's just fucking ridiculous. Can't market a guy in black boots and trunks, eh, Bischoff ? Good thing I wasn't watching WCW back then, I would have thrown something into my TV set.
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