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True, but he didn't pinball for Sting the way Abyss pinballs for well, everybody. No matter how often Vader left his feet for Sting, you never forgot that he was a giant grizzly bear who could kill Sting with one shot. True. Abyss is truly one of the stupidest and least effective worker I've seen.

This will be the "longuest" feud ever in the history of WWE if that happens. Lawler was Henry's very first opponent in 1996 (some IYH in September or October) if I remember correctly. 15 years in the making.

I haven't watch Raw in about 4 years. I'm seriously considering watching it for the Muppets. Last Raw I watched was the old-school one they did last year or the year before. But yeah, the Muppets might be enough for me to watch Raw once more.

Greatest ring wrestling announcer ever ?

That's hilarious.

Yeah, good for him, and good move from the WWE. Hopefully it really helps him and he can put his life back together. I have no idea if 3 months is enough in his case, but that's a positive step.

I don't give a shit about people liking this or that. Hell, I like Lawler. I don't think he's a GOAT candidate, but I like him quite a bit. You're right about one thing though, I'm not up in arms at all about this. To be honest, I couldn't care less.

Yikes indeed. I guess it's the first time a text message has been directly involved in a screwy pro-wrestling finish. The fact that Johnny Ace probably didn't use an Ipad still proves WWE is behind the times.

Del Rio already lost to Cena ? Yikes indeed. I'm not following closely, but it seems like Del Rio's potential as a top guy is damaged already... Punk losing to HHH, well... Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Was Nash involved ?

Interesting. The AWA is a huge blind spot to me, with the exception of a few Bockwinkle, Hogan and Midnight Rockers matches.

I realize I should have, but I thought it was obvious. My point was about the part where the babyface just no-sells the heel's offense as he's making his comeback, short-lived or not it isn't the point, which in most case is indicated by a visual gimmick : shake ropes, waving finger, droping singlet etc... It's pretty much the whole thing, no-sell of heel's offense + visual gimmick. Some love it, fine. It worked for their audience, fine. I never cared for that, it always annoyed me. That was pretty much it.

That's all well and dandy, but pretty ironic too, because at this point, the argument that Lawler has become a "concensus" great worker is thrown around quite a bit to squash any criticism. Not saying you're using it here, but I've seen it countless times. I guess the fact that more than one people agrees that Lawler is now a GOAT makes him a GOAT (see also : Fujiwara Yoshiaki). But the fact that more than one people agree that he did no-sell comeback routines from time to time means zilch and alien abduction believers because tha shall not invoque The King's name in vain, brothers and sisters, or something like that. The power of Democracy in a way, which is the tyranny of the majority over all minorities. Just a though...

Your capacity for not understanding not so complicated things is greater that I've given you credit for actually. Either that, or you're just full of shit, which I tend to believe is the case. _I said countless times now that I may be, probably am, wrong about the fact Lawler is doing a no-sell comeback routine all the time. _I think it's fair to say he did it, at least at times, enough for me to be annoyed by it at least. _I never implied that Lawler = Warrior. I said Lawer dropping the strap = Warrior shaking ropes during a no-sell comeback routine to me = annoying part of the match. That's pretty much it. I guessed it was obvious I wasn't extrapolating to the entire match, or even the finishing sequence which comes after the comeback. I guess nothing is obvious when you deal with dense people. Now, that people don't have problems with it is totally ok with me. Matter of taste. Some people love Hogan hulking up. Good for them.

I did not revert to anything. The fact that someone else agreed that Lawler was noing a no-selling routine *at least from time to time* just made me think I wasn't just making stuff up, because at that point I was too lazy to check it out. I never said that Lawler was doing it all the time after your long post, to which I replied I was maybe wrong. Read my response to Dylan, I concluded that Lawler was doing the routine, "at least at times", not "everytime", a point I agreed to be wrong about. But you said he was never doing it, ever, which seemed pretty odd to me. Funny from a guy who couldn't be bothered to read or understand a post I made a day before in which I said three times that I may very well be wrong after all. And yeah, I reiterate, I may very well be wrong about Lawler doing it all the times. Still, it doesn't mean he never did it either, which I illustrated. Well, pretty amazing uh ? Too bad, I have zero problem with admitting when I'm wrong. None. Don't give a shit. I'm not here to jerk-off my little ego. So yeah, about Lawler doing the no-sell routine *all the time*, maybe totally wrong. My bad. Mea culpa maxima. Well, that's too bad. Learn to love it, it's no biggie, really. I admit being a dick there, not problem admitting that either. I'm usually being a dick when people are dick to me. The fact that you mention "Lawler No-Sold All the Time" at least proves you don't read my post closely enough, since even after posted the video, I said that Lawler did it *at least at times*. Which is not the same as *all the time*, a point about which I'm probably wrong. Hey, I may suck at English, but I'm using little signs so that lazy people can understand the point I'm making here. Obviously not enough of an effort from me. Yeah, impressive stuff. Only you are the one being wrong here, because Jerry Lawler did a no-sell routine comeback, I posted the video. Now you can say it's not a no-sell routine comeback, and we'll agree to disagree on the use of this term like with Dylan. To me it is, and I explained why. When you get kicked and punched 5 time and you get revived from it, it's a no-sell routine comeback to me. Period.

That's entirely different. You never see Ricky Morton get up no selling a bunch of kicks and punchs and then make the hot tag. Ok. Watch the video : _Lawler is down. Idol kicks him once : Lawler doesn't sell it and get up like he's upset. _Austin kicks him a second time : Lawler no-sells it and then goes up on his feet. _Austin punches Lawler three times in the face, granted Lawler registers he's been hit but act like it didn't hurt him and act all pissed instead. Then Lawler proceed to punch Austin in the face several times. Lawler no-sold 5 offensive shots from Austin, two of which looked like they revived Lawler. Now, if you don't call that a "no-selling routine comeback", then nothing is a no-selling routine comeback. So yeah, you're a smart ass mentionning Lawler going back to selling *after* his comeback (and a ref bump), a point I never even argued against. Shit, even Warrior would sell during the post-comeback finishing sequence if it was needed (which wasn't often the case, but still). Just deal with the fact that Lawler, at least *at times*, did a no-sell comeback routine.

Yeah, be a smart-ass Dylan. It doesn't change the fact that he made a comeback with a no-selling routine, which is the whole point. I don't even know why I even bother at this point.

Because Jerry Lawler never does a no-sell routine during his comeback. Never. As illustrated from 00:42 and on :

Let's be precise : I never said Lawler was no-selling the entire match after his comeback. I said Lawler no-sells the offense that his opponent is dishing out during the comeback sequence. I thought it was clear from the beginning we were talking about *comeback sequence*. Not for everyone I guess. I dropped the Warrior's name just because to me, the dropping down the strap before the comeback is like Warrior shaking the ropes : a visual gimmick : "I don't care much for any comeback that consist of no-selling. Lawler dropping the strap equals Warrior shaking the ropes to me." I could have said "equals Sting hitting his chest", and this would have probably been less offensive to some sensitive souls.

Except for the times that he doesn't, which is all the time. This isn't about sacred cows. This is about you being wrong. Explain why you're right, or stop trying to front like you are. Ok son, read my last post back if you can understand the words. I think I said *3 times* something to the effect of "well, that's the impression I got, but maybe I'm wrong, and if that's the case, then I'm wrong". So at this point, you're just being a dickhead for the sake of it. Maybe you're not used to people acknowledging the fact that they may be wrong. And I'm not the only one saying that Lawler was hulking up, but you're no-selling that one. So my best guess is at this time you're just trolling me. So ease up, have a drink, and stop acting like a douche. Thanks in advance.

It amazes me that Regal is only 43. It seems like he's been around forever.

Simply one of the greatest bump ever at the end. Tito was really good, I opened my eyes on his work during the WWF SC poll. Much better than the perenial "underrated" Brad Armstrong, who wasn't that great beyond being a super solid mechanic.

Tito, Steve Grey, Chigusa Nagayo and Kyoko Inoue stand out to me. Can't believe I forgot Kyoko.

I had no idea Norman Smiley was employed by WWE.

Well, I'm glad I'm not totally hallucinating then, because at some point, I was just wondering if my brain was totally fucked up (and since I'm too lazy to dig into my external hard drive for Lawler matches...)

I've seen shitload of Lawler's match, and that's the impression I got from it. Now, if I'm wrong and if it's A/not paying enough attention, it means I don't like Lawler's comebacks because it produced the same effect on me as a "no-sell" comeback. The two things I don't care for in a Lawler match are 1/overuse of punches, as great as they might be and 2/dropping down the strap and comeback bit. But hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. As far as Backlund goes, nope, I was talking about guys who didn't do the "no-sell" comebacks, not comparing Lawler and Backlund's selling in general. You can sell well for an entire match then do a shitty "no-sell" comeback gimmick, like Sting would for instance (that ruined the Regal match from BATB96). Never talked about selling in the general sense of the word. I enjoy Lawler's selling, it's actually the thing I probably like the most about him (it's not like I can enjoy his varied offense...) So I'll settle for : I may very well be wrong about the "no-sell" bit after dropping down the strap, but let's say I'm not a fan of Lawler's comebacks, which give me an impression of "out of the blue" each time around.