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Akira Fukuzawa says hello. I don't speak japanese, and as it is I would rank him pretty much at the top along with Lance. Ross over excitement during finishes post 1999 just makes him unbearable to me during big matches, he sounds like he's having a panic attack and it's just as ridiculous as Joey Styles infamous screamed lines (and I like Joey as much as anybody). Basically Ross ranks that way to me : WCW Ross > WWF (1993-1998) Ross (at his best, really great, and excellent most of the time) >> UWF >>> WWF post 1999 (could be just plain terrible and annoying, oversells everything by gawd!)

Jim Ross in later days UWF : annoying, overhyped, overexcited, screaming way too much. Jim Ross in WCW, much better because he was not overselling everything like he did in UWF. The constant reference to college sports and "real" sport is annoying as hell and reaks of desperation attempt at selling wrestling as just another sport. I don't give a shit about college sport, just shut up about this already. Overall I find JR quite overrated and don't buy the "greatest wrestling announcer ever" stuff for a minute. He was mainly unbearable from the Attitude era and on to me, overselling everything, kissing HHH's ass and basically fucking up stuff like Schiavone at his worst.

That's right, that's exactly what I loved about Jesse. Agreed. Those moments were quite funny. Other moments I loved is when Dusty would go apeshit at Tenay's accurate mexican or japanese moves description which he didn't understand.

Monsoon was full of crap too, he would just bury the heels to no ends and really didn't put them over at all, which really was conterproductive I thought. Jesse was too smart to let himself get buried and actually pointed out intelligent things about the dynamics of the matches, and really, I would always side with his point of view. Heenan & Monsoon was just a comedy team like you said, which was funny and worked well, but in a way Mansoon & Heenan were more important than the in-ring product, which in a way was a good thing considering the crap they had to announce. But overall, not a huge fan of Monsoon. Great line.

I like Tony more than most. Agreed about what's been said about Tony & Jesse being really fun to listen too. FWIW, Cornette has said than Tony was a good guy, but when he came back from WWF, he was changed and had lost the love he had for wrestling. Heenan has said in shoot interviews Tony hated the fans, hated the westlers, and was only thinking about keeping his spot, to the point he would work Heenan and Tenay by not giving them the results in advance sometimes. I take Tony & Jesse over Jesse & Mansoon or Heenan & Mansoon any day. Never liked Mansoon bullying the heel announcers, it was just plain annoying after a while.

These are some of the stuff introduced during the Attitude era that I really hate, the show became just grand-guignol with people getting run over and "arrested by cops" every other week, to the point settling their differences in a wrestling match didn't made any sense. Remmeber when Austin was arrested at Calgary Stampede ? It was great because it was unique and meant something. By 1999, stuff like that happened all the time seemingly.

Rip Morgan was doing the haka in 1989 on WCW TV.

Who ? Why ?

What's the deal with tobacco, alcohol, lexomil etc then ? Alcohol is the most dangerous drugs of all and kills thousands of people each year, and it's perfectly legal.

You are confusing race with religion. You are confusing race with nationality. Races don't exist. "Black" or "white" is a social denomination based on previous false assertions that there were different human races. But there isn't. Always thought every skin colored people should be forced to have one kid with every other different skin color people, over three generations. At this point, there would be no black, white, yellow or whatever anymore on the planet, it would be a gigantic mess and racism would be forced to go away. Plus cross-bred people always look better, mixing the gene pool, the colors and the shapes only makes things better. Well, I guess people with different religions would still hate each others, and men would still oppress women...

That's strange, I used to live with two Jewish girls, and SLL or Bix can correct me if I'm wrong about this, but in the Jewish faith, you are considered Jewish if your mother is Jewish, which makes Rock a Samoan. Or Jewish, I'm not quite sure. Post of the thread, by far.

... Hoped someone would notice it.

So, when is the first TV taping ?

Mariah Carey is black ? Well color me stunned. I agree it is silly, but it's still how people thinks. I personnally couldn't care less. Just thinking about something, Ahmed Johnson, if not for injuries (his and the ones he gave other workers) and egos, could easily have been the equivalent of Goldberg. He was over like hell at one point.

Oh my boy !

Toyota is probably of one the "screamiest" joshi worker out there, but that's really part of the style. Plus it fit her über-energetic character. I can understand it might be annoying to some though, but after a while you just get used to it.

I'm not tossing the hundreds of tape bought from Lorefice, Arnold and Lynch away. I have no idea of to covert them to DVD at this point, but I should find a way. Or not. Anyway, they are collecting dust in my room at my parent's house, and it make me kinda nostalgic thinking how much fun I had when I received my tapes in the mailbox every three months or so...

Vince Russo.

Toyota screaming is the most overstated fact ever at this point. And yes, most joshi wrestlers screamed a lot.

Come on. Let it die already.

Seriously, what the fuck does that mean anyway ? "Oh, I'm a MAN because I take pain like a MAN and don't take painkiller." What a bunch of self-righteous bullshit. I sure am a huge pussy because when I got some teeth canal drained, I got some shots of novocain. Not to mention that when the effect goes away, you sure get your share of pain anyway afterward. Sure, things were better when all things were natural, when 3 out of 4 baby died before getting one year old, when women died while giving birth, and when life expectancy was about 45 years old. Drugs are bad, mm'kay...

In his shoot interview, Barry Horowitz said that he wasn't a jobber, he "put people over and made them look good". I guess the name would be jobber-with-offense.

The Rock is seen as a samoan. I know it's absurd anyway, since there's no such thing as race, but that's the way it is, he's really more seen as part of the samoan family than anything else. So anyway, WWE had to wait for the 2000's to have a black champion. I don't think Flair could have been what he's been if he had been black, sadly.

Booker T, when he was doing the King Booka gimmick. The Rock, if you count a half-Samoan as black. Bobby Lashley, if you count the ECW belt as a "world title". Booker got the World Title ? Ok then, so he's the only one. The Rock doesn't count. And the ECW belt was not even on the level of the old IC belt.

I don't get fixated on them, they just make me cringe every time around.