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  1. El-P
    "It was me all along."
  2. El-P
    The point is the expectation dropped so much that average matches from 20 years ago happening today on free TV would have people go ga-ga over it today. Or something like that I guess.
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    At this point, Taker is retired already by wrestling standarts and really only is the yearly WM attraction people come to see. If they don't make the biggest deal ever of him finally disapearing, they're idiots. Taker's last match should be the biggest thing ever in the company.
  4. El-P
    How many times has the WWE title changed hands since the beginning of the summer and the "great" Punk angle ? With suspensions, bogus tournament, hotshotting title changes twice in one show, Kevin Nash costing someone the title, MitB ?
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    The issue is that if you don't consider the WWE product as great wrestling, then you're doomed, because they're pretty much the only game in town. TNA sucks way too much to even consider them as an alternative at this point.
  6. El-P
    Yes, but not to the point of the directing getting totally crazy. That came with the 00's.
  7. El-P
    Good if the match look good on house show, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a production trick to cover for any mistake or weak shot, and it makes the matches unbearable to watch to me. It's an epileptic directing that keep the brain from concentrating on anything. I hate movies who do the same shit of editing a thousand shots in a minute because things have to move "fast" so the audience doesn't get "bored". I can watch and enjoy a good wrestling match without a frame change every two seconds.
  8. El-P
    Yes, it's just insane to look at. Really, to use a bizarre comparison, modern WWE style to me is Autotune wrestling : everything is leveled down, anyone can look at least decent because everything is so simplified, safe, robotized and pasteurized, there's no personality in anything, it's even faker looking that the cartoon era thanks to the super slick production, it's the same shit over and over again, it's been totally sucked out of everything that made wrestling fun to me. If that's the apex of wrestling TV, then I guess I'm not much of a wrestling fan after all. Much like I'd rather listen to music produced without any Autotune. Then again, the people who produce those shows aren't wrestling fan or wrestling people either, to the point they're in complete denial about what business they're into. To me it transpires through the way this product is written and produced. It makes whatever good pure wrestling content totally irrelevant. Sorry if I sound like a bitter old man, but there's nothing for me to watch on these shows I haven't seen before done a shitload better without the terrible WWE taste.
  9. El-P
    I was actually thinking about that one when I mentionned the "so-called great Cena matches" in the other thread. Good match, yep. I mean *good*.
  10. El-P
    It drives me nuts, makes the matches very hard to watch, and is a huge part why everyone looks "decent". It's a production trick.
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    It isn't? I'm pretty sure that saying someone isn't very good at his job isn't a compliment. And yes, he's awkward. So what? That really has no bearing on his ability to perform. Plenty of wrestlers with much more severe physical limitations have had good matches. Indeed, "not very good" means exactly that : "not very good". It doesn't mean "godawful" or "terrible". "Awkward" means exactly that, he moves in a very unsmooth way, looks clumsy, nothing he does looks crisp or even solid. A goofy oaf he is. On occasion he can really suck, from what I've seen he's decent enough to be involved in a lot of good matches thanks to the controlled nature of WWE style. I absolutely don't buy the "great Cena era" of the late 00's, I've seen zero Cena match I would call better than "very good". I don't think Cena sucks as a pro-wrestler, I think he's pretty much perfect for that era and the role he's been put into : tons of charisma (although the character sucks, but that's another thing), knows how to work the big match style despite mechanically being a clumsy oaf. Overall I would say Cena is a average to decent worker. That mean he's also, "not very good".
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    There are plenty, they're out there, they've been exposed time and time again. The only reason I mention the fact that maybe it has passed me by is because I get absolutely nothing out of it each time I try to get back at it. While I can download any current puro card today I will surely enjoy it to a point despite all the very annoying things about current puro. Admit it's already enough to consider WWE as a pretty poor promotion overall. Add to that the shitty overproduced and übercontrolled in-ring style by mostly boring characters and dull workers, and you get the death of pro-wrestling as I like it. The thing I would agree is that it probably level things up to the point no-one can have really horrible matches (except the women, who are godawful) and if you have some basic talent you can look decent every time around. But I don't care about that. I would take any lively wrestling show with some good stuff and some awful stuff over that land of controled dullness that is modern WWE. When I watched stuff for the GOAT poll, I remember enjoying some post 2001 matches up to 2003-2004, and not much of everything past that, and that was a point there was still tons of "old-school" workers on the roster, so you may be right about 2004/2005 being the debut of the style as we know it.
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    What was problematic about that match v. something like Bret v. DBS or Backlund v. Patera or Shawn v. Foley or anyone of the other matches that are often considered top level WWF matches of all time? Self-conscious modern WWE epic with a truly awkward and not very good worker in John Cena in it. I was thinking : "good match aiming at looking way better than it actually is". Just couldn't hold my interest after a while.
  14. El-P
    As far as Rey Mysterio best US babyface ever, Ricky Morton and Ricky Steamboat say hello, but I agree he's easily in the top 5.
  15. El-P
    Modern WWE style (and I put the entire production into the word "style") has basically killed my love for wrestling and has only produced an entire landscape of dullness to me. Fuck modern WWE style. Good for those you can still find something to love in it, I sure can't no matter how many chance I give it. Like I said, either it has passed me by completely, either it really sucks.
  16. El-P
    I haven't followed the story, but are you saying Mistico got fired and they put another luchador under the Sin Cara hood ? This is truly Max Moon redux.
  17. El-P
    For all the criticism you can adress to Rey over the years, and there is some I guess, to say he's a "flippy floppy guy" is really stupid.
  18. El-P
    Rey working the shitty WWE style based around one of the most ridiculous and annoying spot ever really disqualifies him from being considered a GOAT contender to me. I'm blaming the company and its policy of molding workers, not Rey, who by all acount is an awesome worker.
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    I stumbled onto MITB a few weeks ago on french TV, and while CM Punk's entrance was awesome and he looked really kinda great, the fact that his match with Cena is considered a MOTY was a pretty clear cut sign that I thought current wrestling definitely had passed me by. Just coming back from vacation, and I'm learning all that happened in the past few days, including CM Punk losing his title because of KEVIN NASH in 2011, well, maybe it hasn't passed me by that much, maybe it just totally sucks. Either way, not good.
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    Rewatching this match in context, it's clearly the best of an overrated serie. I hate the 40 minute draw. This one is still a pretty great match though, but Toyota and Yamada are two girls that dropped a whole lot when I watched the entire 92 year. And Toyota's personnality is kinda grating actually. Kyoko smokes her in 92.
  21. El-P
    How to make the Road Warriors look stupid.
  22. El-P
    Insanely brutal match. Bison was a tough chick.
  23. El-P
    Sid had an awesome entrance. I hated Hogan, and thought Sid was great back then. Yeah. Was Papa Shango destined to have a big program on top next since he did the big run-in in teh main event ? Was the bad timing the reason it was scratched and he never became anything more than a JTTS ? The Warrior's comeback is pretty impressive though in term of "Wrestlemania moment" as they would say nowadays. Last stint this guys was relevant in any way shape or form.
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    Odly (well, not that odly since it wasn't broadcasted in France), I had never seen any WCW at this point, but I had seen tons of Luger and Flair toys when I went to England the previous years, so I knew this guy was a big star from "the other company", and I couldn't wait to see him. I didn't get the WBF deal at all though. Oh, Vince and you stupid business ventures ideas...
  25. El-P
    Great great match. Aja wasn't quite there yet, but Bull in her prime was special.
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