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Oh God. The most amazing thing is that there was a time TNA was actually pretty decent when Russo wasn't around, yet, after the godawful shit you describe, Russo still got rehired. AT one time I had the project of watching the weekly TNA PPV too. I may still do it. Morbid curiosity. Maybe not after all.

Who are you refering to ? I hope I won't hear some "being past your prime is a dated opinion" stuff. It's pretty easy actually. 88-89, Varsity Club years. And man was he not boring then, he was fucking good. Most boring wrestler of all time refers to a guy like Randy Orton and his endless series of clones. I don't think it's what I said. Terry Gordy was in much better physical shape in the mid'90's than he was ever before. But, as a worker, he was shot. Ok, it's probably not the best exemple since his brain was litteraly shot then. Let's say for instance Dick Togo, whose prime as a worker was when he was fat. In the 00's Dick Togo was in much better shape physically, but he was past his prime as a worker. Bull Nakano's prime was during the fat years. By 1995, Bull had slimmed down, but she was past her prime. So yeah, physical appearance has really nothing to do with it. Internal physical shape does though, as injuries have much to do usually with ending a guy's prime.

To me the sign that a worker is past his prime would be basically : _not working regularly at the level he used to _showing age and injuries by working slower, bumping less and scrapping classic moves that were always a big part of the repertoire _not delivering the same quality of matches on a regular basis _getting sloppy on occasion; getting lazy and working by the numbers matches where in his prime would have went the extra-mile

Watch Rotunda work in 1989 in the Varsisty Club and watch him work in 1993. Two different beasts. I think Rotundo may have been injured in the early 90's, some back issues. DiBiase probably peaked in the mid-80's, one can argue he was pas his prime already when he got to WWF. Flair in 95 was way past his prime to me. I'd say at best late 1992 was the ending months of Flair's prime, I guess some would say it was over after 1989 (which may have been his peak). It's not an issue of age really. You can be in your prime during a long time or a short time frame, depending of injuries, will to work, physical condition.

I'm glad I choose to watch WCW 1989 and not 1999....

It's called an accident. Why am I not surprised ?

Thanks for the answer. On the same show, the debut of the Samoan Swat Team, and man did they murdered two jobbers. Funny how I talked about the Demos offense looking weak and dull, and then I'm watching those WCW shows from 89 and there are the Road Warrior who just obliterate people, the Varsity Club who look a thousand time more brutal and vicious than the Demos ever did, and now the SST who were always awesome at working squashes. I have to mention that Jim Ross, who I think was much better here than during his UWF days (less screaming, less college sports references), really sucked here, mixing Fatu and Samu twice, and calling fatu's awesome splash from the top rope a "flying headbutt", then fumbled and uttered the word "bodyslam". Ugh... Totally forgot than Dan Spivey was a part of the Varsity Club at one point. Didn't quite fit the gimmick.

Who the hell was Vincent Young ? White guy with stache who did some acrobatics and breakdanced, with Los Gringos Locos looking long tights. Plus he got shit on by the studio audience, who cheered for jobber Trent Kight instead of the young debuting supposed star.

Oups, sorry then. Reading too fast, thinking too slow. Ouch.

Keep an eye out for Billy Gunn jobbing to the Road Warriors as Kip Montana. I will !

I have no idea where you got that impression form, especially since most posters on this board are older than on many wrestling boards. Hell, I sure watched all the Money Inc. there is to watch, and barely anything from Beer Money, for obvious reasons (TNA, argh !). Money Inc. was two guys passed their prime, Beer Money is two young guys probably in theirs. Oustide of the name, I don't see much similarities at all. Money Inc. didn't exactly set the world on fire and is pretty much a sport on tag team wrestling radar.

You mean the most recognizable fat ass of course. The man could work though.

Clash of the Champions 5 : Ricky Steamboat with his ugly baby in the arms. Ric Flair dressed like a pimp with 5 lovely young ladies in evening gowns. Hum... Steamboat kinda was a lame-ass face in this feud, even for the time period. I think the guys in the audience would rather be Flair, and the ladies rather be with Flair, so that let you with the support of the kids only. Well, it's 1989 and the southern audience, so Flair still gets mostly booed, but still, Steamboat is as uncool as it gets here. Also, Hiro Matsuda was the useless manager ever here. I din't understand why they thought he was needed to take the place of Dillon (who I guess left for the WWF at this time), Flair really didn't need anyone. Of course, depsite the über family man gimmick of Steamboat, the feud is pretty awesome. How many masked JTTS could Jack Victory work in one night ? Russian Assassin #2, Blackmailer... He was a trooper.

More look-alike jobbers on WCW in 89 : Mike Thor, looking like Jerry Lawler, complete with the one elbowpad and the punches (well, at least he tries).

It's not even nostalgia, I had never seen those before. My knowledge of WCW pre-Nitro eras is pretty much PPV's I watched online in the last 6 years. Never saw any pre 96 Saturday Nights. I don't think it's me getting older, I think it's wrestling turning into shit in the 00's, and watching a good fresh (to me) program is much more fun than try to go through those dull as dirt WWE shows or those retarded TNA cards.

Getting into WCW TV from 1989, and I get a kick out pf a lot of little things : the infamous Randy Hogan jobber who looked like Hogan with Savage's kneepads and boots; Dave Heath (aka Gangrel) as a young and fat jobber squashed by Abby. Despite the numerous squash matches, watching those old NWA episodes is so much fun nowadays. Great promos galore (Flair, Sullivan, RW, Cornette, Heyman), cool squashes from the Varsity Club (Sullivan was always an awesome squash match worker) and the Road Warriors, a few really good competitive matches. Why isn't wrestling like this anymore ?...

The mere fact that the company was called TNA is a joke that wrote itself. They couldn't think of an acronym that wasn't embarrasing to begin with ? One that would include the world wrestling and would not evoque tits & ass ?

Dixie Carter is a retard. It's disgusting that this man makes a living, and a good one at that, while he is fucking horrible at his job and has a proven record of being a disaster for the last 13 years. Life is unfair. Politics and cooptation > talent.

Yep. This is called responsability. Life is way too fragile.

Ditto. Drugs are everywhere since the beginning of humanity. As long as you don't do harm to someone else and are responsible with it, I'm not one to judge. The only severe issue is addiction, but that's a different thing. Until they become addict, and then, it's big trouble. I've dealt with a girl with an alchohol issue, and it can break you and the entourage down. It's truly a destructive thing. I guess. Marijuana should be legalized yesterday. It's ridiculous, it's the least dangerous and addictive drugs of all. Tobacco is a poison. Alcohol is a billion time more dangerous, yet any fucker can ger wasted, take his car and kill a family, or come back home and hit his girlfriend. I've never heard of something killing other people because he smoked pot. And understand me, I'm not even a consummer. I never had a cigarette in my life and never did any drugs. I just drink socially, and even then, very hard to get wasted because I have a pretty strong resistance to alcohol and because I usually know when to stop (and doesn't enjoy the hangover one bit). I know I have somewhat of an addictive nature, so that keeps me away from trying anything although the tentation has been there from time to time. I reported my addictive instinct on others, much less risky things instead.

I've seen a few Abrams UWF, and while it wasn't exactly good, it looked like an old territory with past their prime veterans. Plus it didn't last, and was barely a spot on the map of wrestling. TNA has been around since 2002, is officially the second company in the US and really, the only "major" one next to WWE, although not in the same Universe, pun intended. I truly can't stand WWE's product, and as much as I would love to support an alternative, TNA is probbaly the worst "big" promotion ever. The fact that Vince Russo still has a job, that they hired Bischoff in spite of his track records is just mind exploding at this point. Good for the wrestlers who can make a living out of it, and I don't mean the girls since at some point the champ had to have a real job on the side, but it's just a fucking horrible wrestling company. Jeff Jarrett has learned exactly nothing from his father.

Less annoying, but stupider. Drinking alcohol doesn't equal getting wasted though. Two fine glass of wine while having diner, a fresh beer in a cool bar or a few glass of champain don't do any harm.

"Purity" claims are the most ridiculous things ever, in every way. How not drinking alcohol makes you "better" than someone who does ? I have nothing against "straight edge" per say, although there's a "holyer than thou" taste to it I don't particulary like from people preaching it (well, than can be said for any kind of preaching...). Plus, as long as they don't hurt anyone else, what people do in their private life is nobody's business. On the topic at hand, I think Punk is totally right to complain about being harrassed at the freaking dentist. There's a time for everything.

Last week on 4FD, Konnan was the guest and he asked if Terry Taylor being fired from TNA was about the sexual harrassment case. The he went on about how Taylor already was involved in such things in the past but always went through the net. Anybody knows about this ? It was reported that Taylor was a weasel and a stooge before, but that's the first I hear of sexual harrassment.

A bit pathetic indeed. Too many chairshots to the head.