Bix Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 People who think the ROH expansion will work are the new most annoying people to argue with about wrestling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kronos Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I was watching an April 2010 tag between Kings of Wrestling and The Briscoes, two teams I generally like. But I thought this match was pretty weak. In particular, the opening matwork was embarrassing. And the moves just felt sloppy and ill-designed, with an overall lack of drama. It was on Will's 2010 set, so obviously some people thought it was pretty great. I am wondering if I missed something - maybe some feud between them that helped provide context? Or maybe it got better, but my eyes and brain had already glazed over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Then he throws in some bull plop about not having Kevin Kelly as annoncer because of some youth movement crap. The same logic that lead to WWE trying to replace Jim Ross for years. I just think it's funny that the company based on WRESTLING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS has as an announcer the guy who spent most of his WWF tenure being called a hermaphrodite by the Rock. I guess Todd Pettingill's price was too high. Also as far as the people who are claiming ROH is the #2 company in the world, it struck a familiar chord with me. I'm a baseball fan, and as you can tell by the words under my username, I'm in Pittsburgh. If you're at all familiar with sports, you know what that means. If you're not, here's the condensed version: The Pirates are the local baseball team, they have been around for 125 years and had a rich history of winning up until the mid 90s. They have had 18 losing years in a row, some of them have been quite horrendous. This season they have a new coaching staff and are off to a better start, they still probably won't finish with a winning season but there's reason to be excited for the first time in decades. What does this have to do with anything wrestling related? In my opinion there's a lot of lapsed wrestling fans who were turned off by the end of WCW and are looking for anything to get excited over that could possibly give real competition to WWE. Even though this deal has obvious flaws to anyone looking at it objectively for more than 2 seconds, as stated people want to believe. You take someone who's still a fan but had all the passion beaten out of them by numerous years of what they consider a substandard presentation, and they will see reason for excitement in nearly anything that could possibly change the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I just think it's funny that the company based on WRESTLING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS has as an announcer the guy who spent most of his WWF tenure being called a hermaphrodite by the Rock. I guess Todd Pettingill's price was too high. If you listen to Kelly's shoot interview, you'll realize he's actually a real wrestling fan, was a big NWA fan and thought WWF was bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 It's not a good sign when buying ROH sends Sinclair's stock rolling downhill, is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Do the writers grasp that ROH programing is 1-2 hours a week out of: 21 hours of primetime programing 126 hours roughly of overall non-infomercial programing 168 hours of total program It's a drop in the bucket. It would be like NBC buying the WWE and claiming it was going to be the cornerstone of turning their network around. It's still just 4 hours of programing. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Are all Wall Street analysts this dumb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Most of them are. They're largely shills, like you see on CNBC. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkelly Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Simple answer: yes. How many ROH wrestlers are under a written or exclusive contract? They have lost nearly all of the talent they have ever really groomed before. Maybe Aries will come back? I don't know much about the new parent owner of ROH, but I am remaining optimistic about their future, although what I do know of Sinclair Broadcasting is not favorable. Hopefully they can pull it off, though. I also hope someone teaches Davey that moves are meant to be sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I know DOI is the bathroom wall of news sites and this article is pretty homophobic but it estimates Cary lost 2 million funding ROH: http://declarationofindependents.net/doi/p...salemic522.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Has the claim about Silken being a creepy predator been substantiated? It's the first time I recall hearing it. Not saying I wouldn't believe it, I've known at least three or four gay indy promoters who did indeed proposition wrestlers on their rosters, but ROH would be by far the biggest and most expensive company that was run in such an inappropriate way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Has the claim about Silken being a creepy predator been substantiated? It's the first time I recall hearing it. Not saying I wouldn't believe it, I've known at least three or four gay indy promoters who did indeed proposition wrestlers on their rosters, but ROH would be by far the biggest and most expensive company that was run in such an inappropriate way. Larry Sweeney made claims on DOI and elsewhere during a manic period about Cary but expressed deep regret about it later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 IIRC Sweeney might have written a read between the lines post along those lines while manic. Not sure if I've seen any other non-DOI stuff saying that. EDIT: rovert beat me to it while I left the editor open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Wasn't the rumor at one time that Luke Williams and Cary were an item? If anything, it seems every promotion Gabe's involved in seems to end up with a lot of young prettyboy type wrestlers who seem to be at the core of rumors like this *cough* *cough* Dragon Gate USA *cough* *cough*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Wasn't the rumor at one time that Luke Williams and Cary were an item? I think that is still the case. Not a loose rumour at all pretty much fact just not reported. There has numerous radio interviews where Luke is being interview and Cary is in the background with phone getting past to Cary or visa versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 $2M over the course of 7 years... say a quarter million a year. That's not a shitload per year. It's not chump change, but not horrible. Wonder if that's increased over the past few years: higher burn rate since the economy when in the shitter. Think of it in another direction... Given all the money that the WWE makes (christ, just focus on the amount th goes into Vince's pocket each quarter in the dividend payments), the WWE could fund a ROH on each coast as "live" programing for a new WWE Channel and it probably would pay for itself in terms of ratings and advertising sales. I'm not saying *anyone else* could do it. But under the WWE umbrella... not too hard at all. Especially if they're smart on keeping costs reasonable rather than having it a money pit for old, washed up wrestlers both running it and also in the ring. Granted there are arguments against it: there's the concept that you don't want say a Hero & Claudio on you channel in a small time promotion and instead you want to save them coming in to Raw or SmackDown as "new" talent. I'm not totally against that notion. But... The WWE could probably run a very smart cost effective ROH and PWG. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.L.L. Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Has the claim about Silken being a creepy predator been substantiated? It's the first time I recall hearing it. Not saying I wouldn't believe it, I've known at least three or four gay indy promoters who did indeed proposition wrestlers on their rosters, but ROH would be by far the biggest and most expensive company that was run in such an inappropriate way. Well, there's AAA under Pena and IWA Puerto Rico under Jovica. Those would be bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 Quinones, not Jovica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Listening to Cary Silkin's interview for 411Mania, Gary Juster (via Jim Cornette) was the conduit to Joe Koff (who's a big fan) and Sinclair Broadcasting. Juster had been wanting to get back into the business for awhile but didn't know how, and he had the contacts inside Sinclair Broadcasting. Apparently the deal was about 18 months in the making, which makes sense as they announced their debut for Charlotte that Juster was involved in promoting in January 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 So, when is the first TV taping ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Any confirmation on Dave Prazak departing from ROH? We've a new logo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 So, when is the first TV taping ? August 13 in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Any confirmation on Dave Prazak departing from ROH? We've a new logo: There's so much else going on in that picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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