jdw Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 So it strikes me as "made as mistake in removing the wrong guy" rather than "arbitrarily removed". John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Dave has been notified of the error and has refused to correct, acknowledge or even address it so far as I know. That's why I wonder if Senior may not go in as an overlooked figure. Either that or Dave is being stubborn as fuck in not acknowledging an error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 For anyone who cares my Blackwell thread at Classics has taken a turn for the worse with Farmer (who I generally like) calling Blackwell a "mediocre" draw and another McAdam troll job based on a cherry picking and bizarre interpretation of a two line analysis I made about a single house show in Milwaukee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 For anyone who cares my Blackwell thread at Classics has taken a turn for the worse with Farmer (who I generally like) calling Blackwell a "mediocre" draw and another McAdam troll job based on a cherry picking and bizarre interpretation of a two line analysis I made about a single house show in Milwaukee. Odd thread. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 I don't think Edge is going to make it. I thought he had higher than 18% of the vote last year. Is there really 42% of the voting pool that's been waiting for him to retire before deciding if he makes it in? What else has he done in the past year that's going to sell that many people that he deserves to make it in? I mean, as much as people loved the Kane feud last year, I don't think that's going to be enough. I think there will be a bump, but I don't see how he's getting that many more votes. Of course, I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 He won't be competing against Jericho and Rey this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Not only that but Dave lobbying harder for people tends to be the up or down for a lot of voters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 He didn't lobby for Edge in the newsletter, though, only on the board. How many voters actually read that cesspool that weren't already voting for Edge? I think between retirement and less American competition, he will see a spike, perhaps even a sharp one, but I think 18% to 60% is way too high. Maybe that's just blind optimism, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 You may be right Cox. Wasn't the issue supposed to hit some time today? Also McAdam got mad over at Classics and bowed out because I "uttered" his "shoot name." Believe it or not it wasn't intentional or done as a troll (I had forgotten he was in hiding as a result of his various "disappearances" with peoples money over the years - i.e. theft). I went ahead and edited it out but it's probably for the best. It really doesn't appear to be possible to even get some people (sadly a lot of whom may be voters) to admit that Blackwell has some positives as a candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Yeah... that was an odd moment on his part. Clearly looking over to the corner for the CM run in, but Mask using a handle isn't remotely the same as McAdam using a socko after leaving a ton of his customers in the lurch. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Well they have been announced Dr. Death King Curtis Iaukea Kent Walton That's an interesting threesome to say the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Should have guess Iaukea given the bizzaro "region" he was put in. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 WRESTLING OBSERVER HALL OF FAME BALLOTING RESULTS Votes needed for induction into the Hall of Fame: U.S. & Canada modern (137), U.S. & Canada historical (94), Japan (70), Mexico (71), Australia, New Zealand, Puerto Rico and other international (67), Europe (43) PERFORMER VOTES PCT 2010 KENT WALTON 49 69% 44% STEVE WILLIAMS 78 67% 59.6% CURTIS IAUKEA 71 63% ---- The Assassins 93 59.6% 56% Hans Schmidt 91 58% 52% Lou Albano 127 56% 52% Mick McManus 40 56% 51% Carlos Colon 61 55% 34% Rock & Roll Express 119 52% 54% Jesse Ventura 119 52% 49% Gene & Ole Anderson 79 51% 29% Enrique Torres 77 49% 17% Atlantis 58 49% 39% Ivan Koloff 110 48% 39% Volk Han 55 47% 22% Villano III 55 47% 31% Edge 105 46% 18% Fabulous Moolah 102 45% 44% Kensuke Sasaki 53 45% 41% Gary Hart 100 44% 48% Big Daddy 31 44% 27% Rollerball Mark Rocco 31 44% 32% Sting 98 43% 20% Jim Crockett Jr. 97 43% 16% Gorilla Monsoon 97 43% 35% Dick Murdoch 95 42% 43% Dr. Wagner Jr. 50 42% ---- Blue Panther 47 40% 33% Johnny Saint 28 39% 30% Red Bastien 59 38% 44% Wilbur Snyder 59 38% 33% Henri DeGlane 26 37% 46% Jackie Pallo 26 37% 32% Mark Lewin 41 37% ---- John Tolos 56 36% 39% Jerry Jarrett 80 35% 38% Don Owen 79 35% 41% Tim “Mr. Wrestling” Woods 55 35% 35% Karloff Lagarde 41 35% 35% Pedro Morales 77 34% 21% L.A. Park 40 34% 31% George Gordienko 39 33% 29% Jimmy Snuka 73 32% 29% Cien Caras 37 31% 24% Curt Hennig 67 29% 19% Dick Hutton 44 28% ---- Bill Apter 64 28% 33% Kinji Shibuya 42 27% 50% Seiji Sakaguchi 32 27% 23% Huracan Ramirez 32 27% 15% Dr. Alfonso Morales 32 27% 43% Sgt. Slaughter 59 26% 22% Pepper Gomez 40 26% ---- Gran Hamada 28 24% 11% Kiyoshi Tamura 26 22% 23% Spyros Arion 25 22% ---- Owen Hart 46 20% 19% Batista 38 17% ---- Von Brauners/Weingeroff 26 17% 22% John “Mr. Wrestling II” Walker 37 16% 20% Perro Aguayo Jr. 18 15% 25% Horst Hoffman 10 14% 17% Kendo Nagasaki 9 13% 25% Vampiro 12 10% 27% Less than 10% of the votes from the region and dropped from next year’s balloting: Ray Gunkel, Sabu ADDED TO THE BALLOT NEXT YEAR: John Cena, Brock Lesnar, Buddy Rose, Domenic DeNucci, Mario Milano, Dr. Wagner Sr., Hiroshi Tanahashi, Johnny Barend, Masahiko Kimura, Mike & Ben Sharpe TOP TEN AMONG DIFFERENT VOTING GROUPS ACTIVE WRESTLERS 1. Steve Williams 2. Atlantis 3. Curtis Iaukea 4. Kent Walton 5. Jesse Ventura 6. Curt Hennig 7. Rock & Roll Express 8. Carlos Colon 9. Owen Hart 10. Gorilla Monsoon FORMER WRESTLERS 1. Dick Murdoch 2. Curtis Iaukea 3. Assassins 4. Gene & Ole Anderson 5. Jerry Jarrett 6. Ivan Koloff 7. Edge 8. Fabulous Moolah 9. Rock & Roll Express 10. Jesse Ventura REPORTERS 1. Steve Williams 2. Assassins 3. Kent Walton 4. Kensuke Sasaki 5. Rollerball Mark Rocco 6. Jesse Ventura 7. Gene & Ole Anderson 8. Hans Schmidt 9. Volk Han 10. Big Daddy HISTORIANS 1. Enrique Torres 2. Curtis Iaukea 3. Hans Schmidt 4. Henri DeGlane 5. Fabulous Moolah 6. Ivan Koloff 7. Gary Hart 8. Carlos Colon 9. Lou Albano 10. Mick McManus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 BUDDY ROSE ON THE BALLOT!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 The suspense is killing me!!!! (It's up on the site, so the floodgates will open any minute now) Anyway, while we're waiting, Dave mentions that next year "huge names" will be on the ballot for the first time. Cena is one and I'm guessing Danielson is another. Who else? Cena obviously gets in. Danielson, if Angle and Jericho (and maybe Sexton) are in, may have a chance with the voters I guess. Personally, I think he is good in the ring and has a subtle type of charisma that gets him over when given the chance, but no way can he be considered a hall of famer at this stage in his career. Maybe down the line if he somehow gets a serious main event run in WWE, but not yet. So, any thoughts on next years crop? Edit: Nevermind. Well, we can still talk about next year, but probably not for a day or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 McManus did fairly well. Probably will go in next year. Overall, looking at the people with 40%+, we're going to see a TON of people going in over the coming years. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 TANAHASHI is eligible?! Wow. Also, anyone else thinks this means we finally get a Williams bio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Glad to see Assassins get close and that Edge was that far off as I figured if he didn't get in he still would be in the 50%- 59% range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Iaukea gets the death bump/regional bump. I have no problem with him going in, but it's sad to see him go in before Colon (at least to me). Walton getting in is really great. He deserved to the be the first Brit candidate elected. Mixed feelings on Dr. Death. Buddy Rose being on the ballot is great even if I think he is liable to drop off without a massive push to voters about his strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 So, do you guys think this was Edge's best shot, considering his retirement and being fresh on voters minds and all that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 TANAHASHI is eligible?! Wow. He's been wrestling for 12 years now and been a main eventer in what's still considered the top Japanese company for atleast 6. Also, anyone else thinks this means we finally get a Williams bio? Bios on all 3 are in the issue Happy Walton got in Fuck adding Lesnar just cause it opens the flood gates for Meltzer's "Wrestling and MMA are the same thing, anyone who disagrees is an idiot" BS. You take away Lesnar's MMA succes and he has no case, he's Goldberg with a better work rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I am already groaning at the prospect of Dave talking about Brock Lesnar as a HOF candidate next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 The best will be the inevitable "Brock is better candidate than Buddy Rose" comments when those of us backing Buddy start going to bat for him. Edge will have other chances. I think it is insane how split the vote was with so many people in the forties. Slaughter doing so poorly is shocking to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 I was very pleased that Walton made it. He really defines British wrestling for me in a lot of ways. Doc was a so-so candidate, but I had a positive instinctive reaction to his election and enjoyed the bio. Certainly not a bad year in the wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLIK Posted October 20, 2011 Report Share Posted October 20, 2011 Reading the bio on Walton, NEVER in a million years would have guessed he produced softcore porn in the 70's, my minds legit blown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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