Bix Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Was talking to Loss about Cena and Lesnar going on the ballot this year among other things so I figured I'd start a thread. Based on the information we have from last year (who got in, who dropped off, and who Dave announced as being added for 2012 with reasonable guesses as to categorization) without any knowledge of if Dave was convinced to add more candidates (like Jimmy Hart) since the HOF issue came out, the list of candidates should look something like this: HISTORICAL PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES Gene & Ole Anderson The Masked Assassins (Jody Hamilton & Tom Renesto) Johnny Barend Red Bastien Pepper Gomez Dick Hutton Hans Schmidt Kinji Shibuya Wilbur Snyder John Tolos Enrique Torres Kurt & Karl Von Brauner w/Saul Weingeroff Tim "Mr. Wrestling" Woods MODERN PERFORMERS ERA CANDIDATES Batista John Cena Edge Owen Hart Curt Hennig Ivan Koloff Brock Lesnar Fabulous Moolah Pedro Morales Dick Murdoch Rock & Roll Express (Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson) Buddy Rose Sgt. Slaughter Jimmy Snuka Sting Mr. Wrestling II JAPAN CANDIDATES George Gordienko Gran Hamada Volk Han Masahiko Kimura Seiji Sakaguchi Kensuke Sasaki Mike & Ben Sharpe Kiyoshi Tamura Hiroshi Tanahashi MEXICO CANDIDATES Perro Aguayo Jr. Atlantis Cien Caras Karloff Lagarde Blue Panther L.A. Park Huracan Ramirez Vampiro Villano III Dr. Wagner Jr. Dr. Wagner Sr. EUROPE CANDIDATES Big Daddy Henri DeGlane Horst Hoffman Mick McManus Kendo Nagasaki Jackie Pallo Rollerball Mark Rocco Johnny Saint AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC/PUERTO RICO CANDIDATES Spyros Arion Carlos Colon Domenic DeNucci Mark Lewin Mario Milano NON-WRESTLERS Lou Albano Bill Apter Jim Crockett Jr. Gary Hart Jerry Jarrett Gorilla Monsoon Dr. Alfonso Morales Don Owen Jesse Ventura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 The rules about how many people you can vote for always confuse me so much that I'll just list everyone that I think is HOF worthy from the ballot this time around. Hans Schmidt John Cena Rock & Roll Express Buddy Rose Gran Hamada Cien Caras Bill Apter Jerry Jarrett Don Owen I would also listen to cases for Volk Han, Kiyoshi Tamura, Atlantis, Blue Panther, Villano III and Johnny Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 A ballot can have up to 10 wrestlers and unlimited non-wrestlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted May 27, 2012 Report Share Posted May 27, 2012 Goddammit Buddy has no right to be put aside again this year. I'll be livid if he doesn't make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Put aside? Hell this is the first time Buddy has even been on the ballot and every voter I've seen comment on him has been very dismissive to the point where they won't even entertain the notion that he has a serious argument. I'll have more to say on this as we get closer, but I agree with everyone on Loss list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 McManus and Pallo should be in, and since the threshold has been lowered so far for other countries most of the luchadores should be in as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I will say this. I am not a fan of anyone getting in on work alone. But if someone like Benoit gets in and sets that precedent there is no real argument against Blue Panther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 If Sting would've worked Taker at Mania last year or any other year recently, he would've gotten in already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 I don't see how you can say "wrestling ability" is in any way important either then, if it doesn't translate into money. "Wrestling ability" is AS ARBITRARY a benchmark as overness. IF wrestling ability is a criterion, I don't think that being massively over should be overlooked either. If wrestling ability is not important, and it's just about being a draw, fair enough. Again, we're not arguing objective truth here. We're arguing whether or not he meets certain criteria to get him into a certain hall of fame. There are normative elements here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Hans Schmidt died yesterday. My guess is that will greatly enhance his chances of getting in this year. He almost got in last year (and I think the year before) and I had thought this year might be a tough go because of the emergence of Cena/Lesnar on the ballot. Now I think he'll likely get the RIP bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 To be fair, it's not just sympathy votes for death that got guys like Wahoo and Iaukea in. Dave writing bios that made great cases for them contributed just as much, if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Didn't both guys show up on the ballot for the first time the years they died? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted May 28, 2012 Report Share Posted May 28, 2012 Yeah, Hans Schmidt really should've been in the Hall of Fame already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted May 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Didn't both guys show up on the ballot for the first time the years they died?Wahoo was on the ballot for years and considered a Murdoch-esque gatekeeper beforehand. Looks like you're right about Curtis though, he went on as part of the addition of Australia/Asia Pacific/Atlantic Ocean Pacific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 I will say this. I am not a fan of anyone getting in on work alone. But if someone like Benoit gets in and sets that precedent there is no real argument against Blue Panther. The same can be said for Buddy Rose and Dick Murdoch. In fact, I am starting the Goodhelmet Wrestling Hall of Fame. First three inductions.... Dick Murdoch, Buddy Rose and El Dandy Non-wrestler - Jimmy Hart That's enough for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Will you are going to be recruited for the Buddy Rose HoF show when we get closer to balloting time. Devon will also be on the panel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Sounds good. I am through with Meltzer though. It is time for a new one with different criteria. First criteria... did you kill your child? If so, no admission. If you are in and then kill your kid... you were never in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Sounds good. I am through with Meltzer though. It is time for a new one with different criteria. First criteria... did you kill your child? If so, no admission. If you are in and then kill your kid... you were never in. I'm claiming the first annual Goodhelmet Pro Wrestling Hall Of Fame Ceremony for WHATAMANOOVER! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 The rules about how many people you can vote for always confuse me so much that I'll just list everyone that I think is HOF worthy from the ballot this time around. Hans Schmidt John Cena Rock & Roll Express Buddy Rose Gran Hamada Cien Caras Bill Apter Jerry Jarrett Don Owen I would also listen to cases for Volk Han, Kiyoshi Tamura, Atlantis, Blue Panther, Villano III and Johnny Saint. Not Ivan Koloff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted May 29, 2012 Report Share Posted May 29, 2012 Personally I would vote for Koloff as well. And I think Carlos Colon is one of the best five guys on the ballot and an unbelievably obvious pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smitlick Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 There should be a Goodhelmet HOF with a Comp made for the best of the (5?) candidates that go in each year... Would be cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I've got an ongoing WWE Mock Hall of Fame going at another board and it's kind of fun. If a group of a dozen or so people did a mock Observer (or really just pro wrestling) Hall of Fame, it'd be an interesting read. Might be a bit enlightening too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 The Masked Assassins (Jody Hamilton & Tom Renesto) Does anyone know of any footage of Renesto? I know he has a rep as being great on the mic, but was he a good worker too? Anyone ever seen the original Assassins in a match? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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