Loss Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Punk never going on last as champ is frustrating. How's the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpchicago23 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Eh it was ok. Ziggler winning was awesome and the Punk Bryan match was really good. The Raw mitb was won by Cena, who didnt see that coming and the match was decent at best. Then you had the Raw quality fillers of the Ryback vs Reks/Hawkins and the PTP vs epico and primo. So yea two good matches and everything else was forgettable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Solid show. Punk-Bryan was pretty great for the most part but with a few AJ bullshit spots mixed in. The main event WWE Title MITB match was laid out really well and everybody looked strong particularly Show and Jericho. The SD MITB had a few terrifying botches and a couple of other insane bumps. Ziggler and Cena won those matches. The Colon's and Prime Time Players match was quite good but lacked heat because the crowd didn't know to cheer for The Colons. Ryback had a fun competitive squash with Hawkins and Reks. There was a clusterfuck 6 divas tag thrown in there too. Sheamus-Del Rio was pretty good as well and I liked the Ziggler cashing in tease. I was satisfied with this show for the most part. Punk and the WWE Title never going on last is frustrating as hell though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I need to rewatch it tomorrow but there was some really fun and innovative stuff I'd never seen Re: AJ in the Punk/Bryan match. (In other words, I loved the AJ bullshit spots). The SD MITB was pretty crazy. I felt like they didn't do as good as job as they needed to convince me that guys should be down for as long as they were however. i missed a lot of the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 To be fair, I wasn't terribly annoyed by those AJ parts of the match but I was very satisfied with the end result as it still was a great match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I think Punk v Cena will headline SS next month. Punk will finally get to main event. I also expect him to lose. Despite working on top during this time Cena has been out of the title picture for close to a year now. That's about to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I liked the show a lot. The opening MITB was a total clusterfuck, with multiple botched spots, but was still entertaining due to the lunatic bumps throughout. Ziggler looked like he was actively trying to end his own career. Sheamus v. Del Rio had some dead spots, but over all was a fun match. Sort of a Sheamus formula match, but I'm a guy who thinks Sheamus is pretty fucking good. Loved the teased Del Rio bumps and some of the other clever spots were well worked too. Prime Time Players v. Colons was a lot of fun, especially if you could ignore AW which I did by listening to something on tv. The Colons were spot machiney as fuck but in a good way. Finish was well done too. Ryback match was odd because he really got little offense in. Felt like a test to see how he could handle working a real match. It was hardly bad, but just seemed strange. Loved Bryan v. Punk. Totally sick match that was very similar to WWE house show "street fights" which are built around importance of well built to weapon spots. Really an extremely stiff match that was ramped up dramatically from what I was expecting. AJ involvement did not overshadow the match and the finish was fucking insane. Diva's tag was actually very fun. Main event delivered. Another awesome performance from Show and Cena. Loved the sleeper spot with Jericho on the ladder, Show being buried in the ladders, the knockout punches and the finish - while obviously a bit "off" script in some way - was a very organic moment. Over all a very good show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I loved the finish to the Raw MITB match. Probably my favour finish to a ladder match ever. This show really brought back my love of managers. There were a few on the show and I felt they really added something each time. They really need to develop more of that. Ricardo is the best. If there are any Canadians out there who have not went and watched a ppv at a movie theatre, then you are really missing out. It's like having a whole other crowd there. By the way, Canada loves Tyson Kidd, John Cena and CM Punk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Post at DVDVR made me think. Babyfaces have been dominant in WWE this year so far. All the champions are faces now and the two champions have had eight and four month reigns respectively. Show got a big heel push for a few weeks but lost his first big PPV match. Ryback and Brodus are both getting monster Babyface pushes at the same time. I know it's an in house thing but it's been pretty insane this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I heard there were some strains of a "Sheamus sucks" chant at the show tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I'll just paste what I sent to the Meltz: This was a really good show that justified its B-show status still in that the booking hinted toward Summerslam without any clear blowoffs. The wrestling speaks for itself, so my thoughts on the general direction will be shared. 1.) Ziggler winning the Money in the Bank match is a great thing. The match rates approximately as ****1/4. Ziggler is an extraordinary talent who I would rank as a much more superior bump-taker than Curt Hennig was in his prime but as two notches below Hennig when on the offensive, i.e. Hennig could work a rough-and-tumble main event match whereas Ziggler should broaden his horizons a bit to make himself look even more threatening. That notwithstanding, he is in the WWE's elite of workers and should stay there. My concern rests in the WWE's complete lacking of division of labor for midcarders. Should some midcard act be casted as a comedy worker, a rising star, a JTTS, a tough guy? Many make the mistake in thinking comedy workers have no place on the card, and that is incorrect not just from today's standpoint but professional wrestling historically. But it is a serious mistake to book an act as a rising star, a comedy working, and as a JTTS all in the same year? They did that with Ziggler. Will that cause Ziggler to not be seen as a main event act?--probably not since the cream of the crop tend to rise in the wrestling business. But will he be seen as a star?--probably not. Marks have long memories, and the company's lack of direction and care for the win/loss of the midcarders is very low investment. But praise should be given to Michael Cole (or whoever is feeding him those lines) on making the title seem relevant by stating how long one has held it. This was a great match, but I can remember not even a few weeks ago when Sheamus pinned Ziggler in under five minutes. Precedence should be key in wrestling booking. 2.) Sheamus over Del Rio in a strong ***1/2 match. I like Sheamus a lot. Unfortunately, I don't speak with enough wrestling fans to know the perception of Sheamus, but I feel like he is an overexposed act. He is an act who has tremendous PPV presence but comes across as a one-dimensional bore who can beat up people on TV. When I get the time, I would like to see his quarter hour breakdown. But the fighting champion gimmick suits Sheamus well. 3.) The booking of the tag match was schizophrenic. So Epico and Primo win, but O'Neal and Young's mouthpiece, Abraham Washington, still proclaims the team to be number one contenders. But that is hard to execute when (i) the WWE has long made the tag team division irrelevant, and (ii) the WWE has long arbitrarily constructed number one contenders seemingly out of thin air. So by (i) and (ii), basing heel heat off of that - the apparent injustice of it all - is hard to pull when there is no sense of importance to the tag team. But the general direction of giving a tag team some gimmick that is somewhat caricatured and much more dimensoinal than either the stereotypical tag teams or just makeshift teams is a good direction. *3/4 4.) Punk and Bryan have had an excellent series, and AJ's presence only expanded the rivalry. Unfortunately, awesome workrate is not a sufficient condition to draw in casual viewers. Her role has drawn in more viewers and thereby making Punk and Bryan seem like bigger stars. What a match between the two. Both walked away from the match stronger than ever. And AJ's presence did not diminish the match, which I feared she would (either with fast counts or what have you). Her officiating was an aside that gave the match more dimension without detracting from yet another super worked match. **** 5.) Ryback over Hawkins and Reks. I hate how the smarks try to draw an analogue to Goldberg. Though Ryback is similar to Goldberg, he is also much more athletic, can work better, has a better moveset, shows some degree of vulnerability, and has a commanding presence that is sorely lacking with the WWE's current roster. I really hope Ryback gets over and either (i) feuds with Brock Lesnar or (ii) turns heel at some point and feuds with John Cena, with Ryback going over only if there exist enough credible faces to take on him. This was a good match for what it was worth. ** 6.) Cena going over is the right move, though given how watered down Punk's character has been in the past year, I feel like there will be a lot of lost information emotionally such that it will be difficult to generate heat between Punk and Cena for their Summerslam match. But again, WWE's schizophrenia causes this because suddenly wins and losses matter (like with last year's MITB, or Washington's attempt at getting heat, or Cole commenting on Punk's lengthy title reign), but their booking of Raw and Smackdown overall show that wins and losses mean nothing (see Ziggler, who is suddenly a borderline main event act despite having been booked as a JTTS for much of the year). So this match that could otherwise do good business might be hard to draw heat. We'll see. Usually, the WWE pulls it off, but even if the WWE pulls it off, their past opportunity costs diminishes the optimization of drawing serious money. For the match itself, ***1/2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 especially if you could ignore AW which I did by listening to something on tv. Why would you ignore AW? He's fucking great. He's doing a modern day Jimmy Hart w/ the megaphone deal and it's fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 especially if you could ignore AW which I did by listening to something on tv. Why would you ignore AW? He's fucking great. He's doing a modern day Jimmy Hart w/ the megaphone deal and it's fantastic. Because he's not good? I liked him during ring introductions and I think the headset is a good idea in theory...I just found it really annoying in practice. And not annoying in the "god I want that guy to get his ass beat way." Annoying in the "god I don't want to watch this when he is on" way. I think Nell's review is interesting because I thought the opening ladder match was pretty easily the "worst" of the big matches on the show. Tons of botched, awkward shit in that match. I enjoyed it nonetheless, but I think it's strange that he has that as the highest rated match on the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 especially if you could ignore AW which I did by listening to something on tv. Why would you ignore AW? He's fucking great. He's doing a modern day Jimmy Hart w/ the megaphone deal and it's fantastic. Because he's not good? I liked him during ring introductions and I think the headset is a good idea in theory...I just found it really annoying in practice. And not annoying in the "god I want that guy to get his ass beat way." Annoying in the "god I don't want to watch this when he is on" way. I think Nell's review is interesting because I thought the opening ladder match was pretty easily the "worst" of the big matches on the show. Tons of botched, awkward shit in that match. I enjoyed it nonetheless, but I think it's strange that he has that as the highest rated match on the show. I started watching the match almost ten minutes in, just before Ziggler took that insanely unforgiving bump into the chair, so I missed the botches. I heard that Sin Cara fucked up a lot of spots. That would surely have detracted from the match. I saw nothing wrong with the match past Ziggler taking that bump and Cara bouncing a foot off that ladder. Undoubtedly, I give it an extra 1/4 star since the right man won, and the crowd wanted Ziggler to win as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Dylan....AW started yelling at Rosa that "This ain't Taco Bell, you can't cross the border!" when she started to go after him on his side of ringside. AW is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Smackdown MitB was pretty sloppy and I was afraid for the safety of the wrestlers on several occasions, especially when early on Sin Cara in the span of 1-minute looked like he injured both Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes. It picked up toward the end and I was happy with Dolph winning but I wish they would do away with these more dangerous gimmick matches. Sheamus/Del Rio might be the two, most boring, most unover wrestlers to ever compete in a Pay-Per-View World Champion Vs. #1 Contenders match. I wasn't drawn into the match at all and was completely uninterested. Then post match the guy that was just put over in the previous match gets to look like a bitch right after. That makes sense... Hated the card placement. Didn't make sense to have the tag title match on the pre-show and a non-tag title match (with nothing at stake) on the PPV. If the Hustlers are still #1 contenders, what's the point of the match? Why not just do their match against the champs tonight? DB/Punk, don't like the ref stuff, didn't like the added no-DQ, didn't like the use of hardcore spots (especially the kendo stick being completely worthless). Not sure why C.M. Punk Vs. The American Dragon can't just be a wrestling match. I guess the table makes sense as that was used a couple weeks ago on RAW when AJ pushed both through. Punk beats Daniels again for like the third time on PPV now? And we still didn't get any real solution to the story, which this match was mostly about the story. Meh. Ryback Vs. jobbers was pointless filler and really exposed him because they decided to make him go longer and be on the defensive against jobbers that he's already squashed. Divas was pointless filler. Main: didn't like it going on last. Don't care that Cena won and I think that can be fun and different. Dug the eliminating of the Big Show spot early. That's about all I can say about that match as I missed a lot of it due to using the bathroom and making food. I would say thumbs down, personally but I watched it alone which always makes the shows worse to me. And the commentary REALLY sucked. Like, one of the worst I can ever remember, which includes Wrestlemania 2. Cole/Lawler/Booker is like the worst three guys I could come up with if I was purposely trying to make the worst commentary team ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Show was a fucking blast. We all totally had a great time here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 The ongoing complaints about match placement are interesting. It's clear WWE has an established pattern for PPVs by now: a match they expect to be good on first to get the crowd going, title match A, womens/tag filler, title match B, filler match with whichever one of women or tag wasn't used before, main event with John Cena/HHH/Taker. It's clear if Cena is on the card, his match is going on last no matter what. Him not being in the title picture for a while is just driving the point home they haven't been thinking "title match goes on last" for a long time, it's just the guy they do put on last has been the champ for a lot of the last decade or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Do you think John Cena will go on last at Summerslam over Brock Vs. Hunter? That will be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I think Brock/HHH's placement will depend on the finish. Lesnar winning would most likely not go on last, but Lesnar losing (which is what I expect to happen) most likely would. Rock mentioning the WWE title on Twitter you would think would mean a segment coming with him and Punk, but I will be surprised if that happens. Punk is the World Intercontinental Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Dylan....AW started yelling at Rosa that "This ain't Taco Bell, you can't cross the border!" when she started to go after him on his side of ringside. AW is fantastic. I liked the "Rosa can't dance! Titus show her how!" but mainly because of Titus' dancing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 One other quick comment because someone asked on another board where I occasionally post. I thought this PPV absolutely destroyed Destination X. It's not that I didn't like Destination X - in fact I thought it was a pretty good show - but this was a better beginning to end show to my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 I think Brock/HHH's placement will depend on the finish. Lesnar winning would most likely not go on last, but Lesnar losing (which is what I expect to happen) most likely would. Rock mentioning the WWE title on Twitter you would think would mean a segment coming with him and Punk, but I will be surprised if that happens. Punk is the World Intercontinental Champion. He's the International Champion, thank you very much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kostka Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Punk has been the best booked intercontinental champion in ages. I can't decide if I like AW or not. On one hand, he's pretty funny. On the other hand, he's very distracting, which makes me think that the act won't have legs. I think he'll most likely drop the headset gimmick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Anyone get the feeling Rock is working Summerslam? A month ago I would have said no way but the way they've been booking Cena lately and with him appearing next week I think there's a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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