sek69 Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 HHH is just so great as the scumbag boss everyone hates. He's like a jacked version of Lumberg from Office Space. The moment Big Show finally snaps and knocks him the fuck out is going to be a monster pop. Also how great would it be if Dusty showed up to give a "motivate the troops" speech like Fred Blassie did during the invasion angle? A fired up Dusty promo about how the evil McMahons fired his boy would be the cherry on top of an awesome angle so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 By the way, and this doesn't really happen here that much...and is why this place is cool, but the "I didn't watch/ I read the results and other posts/ I'll catch bits on YouTube but tell you about the whole show crowd are just the worst. Who does that with any other TV show or movie? "I saw clips and read reviews, now heres why its terrible". With any other form of entertainment youd call that person a maniac. Shit, Dylan and I often disagree, but he fucking watches the shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovert Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I miss the sports entertainment I grew up with where heels were emasculated at every turn. Names like Carlito, Chris Masters, Spirit Squad, The Miz & R-Truth. Makes me no longer want to be a member of the WWE Universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 By the way, and this doesn't really happen here that much...and is why this place is cool, but the "I didn't watch/ I read the results and other posts/ I'll catch bits on YouTube but tell you about the whole show crowd are just the worst. Who does that with any other TV show or movie? "I saw clips and read reviews, now heres why its terrible". With any other form of entertainment youd call that person a maniac. Shit, Dylan and I often disagree, but he fucking watches the shows. To be fair, if you've been watching wrestling all your life, you can pretty much figure out if something's booked well or not by reading the results/comments/catching youtube links. I don't think your opinion is going to wildly change if you saw the whole show. If anything, you'll probably like it less since you just sat through three hours of it. I don't think that's unreasonable for people who have been engrossed in this their entire life. Often times those same people would say that they liked the sound of something if it looks good on paper too. It's a cost/benefit. The chances that someone's opinion will differ is probably pretty minimal from seeing, well, I don't know what? How the pacing of a R-Truth match fifteen minutes before affects the tenor of the youtube clip that they saw? How that commercial break airs out the segment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cross Face Chicken Wing Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 By the way, and this doesn't really happen here that much...and is why this place is cool, but the "I didn't watch/ I read the results and other posts/ I'll catch bits on YouTube but tell you about the whole show crowd are just the worst. Who does that with any other TV show or movie? "I saw clips and read reviews, now heres why its terrible". With any other form of entertainment youd call that person a maniac. Shit, Dylan and I often disagree, but he fucking watches the shows. It happens w/ shows that have been around for a long time. Fans of the show's early days are fond of what the show "used to be" and shit on the new stuff without even watching it. SNL is one show that comes to mind that falls into this category. I don't blame people for shitting on Raw without watching it. A couple times per year I end up getting sucked back into giving the modern product a try again, and I always end up disappointed. Most of the stuff said by the crowd who doesn't watch Raw but still shits on it ends up being true. Also, if Triple-H is still on TV or putting himself high up on the card, there is no need to actually watch the show to know that it sucks. EDIT: Another show that fits the category (and deservedly so): SportsCenter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Plant my flag firmly in the not a fan camp as far as last night's show. Opening was fine, Orton/Cody was really good and I always enjoy AJ's antics. I'm generally not a Show fan, but this was stomach turning material. Its funny how the outlook is so different though when you're looking towards a long term story like we've presumably got here with Bryan. This type of show mid-year last year or earlier this year would feel like a calamity. Now its just an off-night and part of the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJH Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 12 year old friend meant "your friend of 12 years." Except it doesn't. A "12-year friend" is a friend of twelve years (the friendship's duration); a "12-year-old friend" means the friend in question is 12-years-old. Coupled with her talking of growing up in arenas, etc... putting it down to a slip-of-the-tongue is loose. Twelve years isn't even that long a friendship, really (in terms of what it's suggesting) for people who're late 30s/early 40s anyway; a friendship from school would have lasted twice that long at least, for instance. But... yeah... that whole deal was just painful. The idea isn't that bad, as such - "even the biggest guy on the roster must kowtow to the regime" - but why not at least have Bryan get the upper-hand in the match, cue the Shield for a beat-down, and then have Hunter/Steph insist on an unnecessary shot from Show to wrap up the beating? Also, why is no one talking about the commentator's (or Cole and Lawler) speaking out against them? If you're not gonna have them laid out they're the last people you'd want talking about it because they're speaking constantly to the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 I love Bryan but man is he awful in those backstage segments. He sounds so stiff and awkward. Eh I don't know how I felt about this RAW. On one hand the Cody stuff was awesome, I liked Ryback/Ziggler both as an angle and a match and that Bryan/Corporation angle is still giving RAW actual direction. But I was rolling my eyes at that ending more for it just being the same ending as since this angle's started than for anything else. And really Big Show maybe cries a bit too much. I really like the idea of Show's involvement in this angle but they could be pulling it off a lot better. The last two weeks the crowd's been crazy about him and I hope they don't lose that if this sort of thing continues for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I will say for the first time since 2006 I am actually invested in WWE programming....I have really been into it since reading the Summerslam results and actually look forward to Monday Nights again...I honestly thought I'd never be back and would only rely on the old school and some Indy's Dylan recommended, but I gotta say its great...Couple things: 1. I have HATED Randy Orton with a passion since he turned face in 2004. I mean the hate that made me want to change the channel, not the hate that makes me watch..In three weeks, that has changed as I really like his swarmy asshole character that is hand picked by the executives as their champion and gets to enjoy the frills of it all and taunt it out to anyone...How long will I like him? I dont know, but damn I am enjoying it now. 2. The HHH / Stephanie thing is GREAT. HHH is back in the role he should be AND he's not only a good heel, but using everything that is said about him to his advantage. I know others have mentioned this as well, but I wanted to toss it in! I honeslty think his role as the leader is WAY better than Vince's ever was, as he is still a guy that can kick your ass, and his approach as the leader in that serious but not over the top tone is realisitc and really makes you want to hate him, the more he does. Making the roster come out to watch the Bryan beatings are great as well. 3. Big Show..I wanted him to knock the fuck outta HHH on RAW Monday, but I am glad he didnt...this can still build and we can see where it goes. I like that they arent just gonna pull the trigger right away and plow through these angles. Will it work in today's "please me now, I cant and wont wait" society? Dont know...but I hope they take it slow to a BIG payoff at some point. The Crying thing is strange...but he's HUGE and if he wants to cry, who is gonna stop him!! Plus involving his family issues to cause his pain makes his pain more real..and when he snaps...it should be huge... 4. CM Punk - I like him MUCH more as a heel, but his role right now as angry and pissed off and ready to kill Paul Heyman and his henchman Curtis Axel is great too... I hope this one doesnt fully pay off at NOC...but I do hope Punk gets his hands on Paul, but another surprise happens... 5. The Rest Of The Show - The "rest" of the show is damn good now as well...the RVD / Del Rio World Title feud is a nice background feud over an important title. Plus Dolph doing his thing / Sandow with his MITB...all good stuff with possibilities....The Wyatts are at a point where they need to do something big as well, or they may fade into the back and become another group instead of the psycho thing they got going now...just dont know where to put it. 6. The Shield - This is one thing that I think needs to change, but I dont know how...I LOVE that HHH and Steph and Vince have a pack of dogs that kill whoever they are told to, but dont like to see the Shield put here and not in a more prominent role....but I dont know where this is going so I will give it time...I hope it doesnt lead to the Shield turning face. 7. RAW / SD - Now is a good time to really completely seperate the shows again, as there is a lot of good stuff going on and if you break it into two, you can really work each out in detail and provide two really good shows....I know some stuff is seperate, but the main feuds are on both shows, which I dont like as much. 8. Daniel Bryan - He is really becoming a HUGE star looking at the crowd's reactions and using him in this storyline will only make him bigger when he finally gets a jump on the "Corporation"... So that's it for now...I am a fan again and actually looking forward to Friday and Monday nights....only negative is that its HARD to watch 3 Hours of RAW and then see the same parts of the same feud redone Friday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 12 year old friend meant "your friend of 12 years." Except it doesn't. Besides when it does. It may have sounded awkward, but she obviously was saying that they've been friends for 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 You know what would really put this angle over the top? If they brought in Sean Waltman to just stooge in the background of all of Hunter's promos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 You know what would really put this angle over the top? If they brought in Sean Waltman to just stooge in the background of all of Hunter's promos. How about Triple H getting his own stooges a la Patterson and Brisco, but the old DX crew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 You know what would really put this angle over the top? If they brought in Sean Waltman to just stooge in the background of all of Hunter's promos. How about Triple H getting his own stooges a la Patterson and Brisco, but the old DX crew? Why not have Dogg / Gunn / X-Pac be their pack of dogs and let the Shield go get back to their own thing... Again, if they could split the shows, they have soo much to use right now that both shows could be really good on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Sorry, no amount of "what I read/ they fucked up in the past/ etc." is a excuse for shitting on something you didn't watch when it comes to wrestling. Especially the "what I read" shit. Considering that most reviews are either just results or someone trying to be a snarky douche who thinks he's funny...and both groups usually miss the nuances and lots of details, ...yeah, not the same as actually watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Anyone else see that when Orton first comes out, stands on teh ramp and raises his arms, it almost looks effeminate? Like he is saying "I'm Fabulous!!". Not a knock on homosexuals either, just funny as it is completely different from everything else he portrays. The rest of him is awesome now though...but that makes me laugh...I went back and watched it again at the end of RAW this week when he comes.... Maybe its just me, but its fuckin funny! To your point Johnny....I never spoke much on WWE over the last 6 years due to exactly what you said...I wasnt watching it fully or investing it it to see everything.....I wish I hadnt seen Orton do that and I hope I dont keep thinking it when he comes out for each match... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 It's Pro Wrestling, not advanced trig. You know what you're talking about, you can pretty much figure out booking from reading about it. On the other hand, if you are a poster who is a snarky douche who thinks you're funny, then you can watch it all and still have a moronic opinion. Watching it helps, but there isn't exactly a ton of nuance. Someone gets heat on someone else. Who, why, how? It's not rocket science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 It's Pro Wrestling, not advanced trig. You know what you're talking about, you can pretty much figure out booking from reading about it. On the other hand, if you are a poster who is a snarky douche who thinks you're funny, then you can watch it all and still have a moronic opinion. Watching it helps, but there isn't exactly a ton of nuance. Someone gets heat on someone else. Who, why, how? It's not rocket science. True, but not watching it and reading someone else's opinion (good or bad) and going off that really doesnt help you decide on your own if you like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I don't know if that's really true. I read TNA spoilers all the time and think "boy there is damn near no way I'm going to like that." Then once every couple of months I give them a chance and it turns out I'm right - TNA sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 What I would say is that detailed, heavy handed criticism based on spoilers/written reports/et. without ever seeing the shows does strike me as pretty ridiculous more often than not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I don't know if that's really true. I read TNA spoilers all the time and think "boy there is damn near no way I'm going to like that." Then once every couple of months I give them a chance and it turns out I'm right - TNA sucks. You're gonna use TNA as the example? Come on man...lol.....just kidding.....but of course that sucks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 There's been many times where someone completely buries a show based on tapings results posted somewhere, and when the actual show airs it's nowhere as bad as the writeup made it seem. Sure, perhaps editing cleaned some things up, but the whole "base your opinion on someone else's opinion" is often not the best way to go about things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 For some weird reason, the TNA reviewers tend to be super detailed and less swarmy and self important. But even so, I don't shit on TNA in discussions about TNA because I don't watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I feel like it's every wrestling fan's birth right to criticize TNA without having to suffer through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exposer Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I was thinking about the whole Bryan vs. Coporation angle a little bit today and I think my biggest problem with it is that nearly every show ends exactly the same. I do have issues with Bryan not getting a least one over on heels so far (although one could argue him vandalizing Orton's car would count as one) but I can handle that to an extent as long as there's a payoff down the road. I just don't like the shows closing with Orton standing over a prone Bryan in the middle of the ring. Why not have Bryan get attacked in the back? Why not switch it up in some way? I don't know I just think that image specifically is getting overused. This may be a really outlandish complaint to some but it does bother me to a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I think the whole thing with Bryan being beaten down in the ring by the Corporation is to make an example of him and do it in front of as many people as possible.. As for the 3 weeks straight of beatings...It keeps buidling things up....to a good payoff hopefully...Bryan isnt Austin so having him clean house all the time wouldnt work I dont think...its where they go from here..I hope Bryan gets some sort of a shot back at them Monday night (with Big Show maybe being forced to stop him again...) but nothing major before the PPV.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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