Matt D Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 Survivor Series card looks like it'll be full of good matches to me. A little boring, but past the divas match, everything should be good and that should at least be quick and full of pinfalls.
tim Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 It will probably be a decent show, but it is a bad looking card from the perspective of trying to give a shit about one of their supposed four big shows. Does WWE even consider it one of their 4 big shows? Either way, the Survivor Series tag match should be fantastic, ADR/Cena should at least be good and Orton/Show could turn out being a decent match even if no one in the world cares about it.
cm funk Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 It will probably be a decent show, but it is a bad looking card from the perspective of trying to give a shit about one of their supposed four big shows. Does WWE even consider it one of their 4 big shows? Not anymore, no I think Elimination Chamber is probably #4 now, with Backlash #5. They put so much more effort into that Rumble-Backlash "WM season". They've had Brock wrestle on the Backlash show the last 2 years, though maybe it's just part of his deal that he doesn't work during hunting season I'd actually argue that MITB has become more important than Survivor to them as well The one thing I'd say for Survivor is they put it in major cities. Boston this year, MSG 2 years ago, Miami in 2010, DC in 09 etc. I'm not even sure how important that is, but it's something. The card this year is terrible, and I'm not sensing any buzz beyond people talking about how terrible it is. Not a single match on the show that I'd pay to see.
Slasher Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 It will probably be a decent show, but it is a bad looking card from the perspective of trying to give a shit about one of their supposed four big shows. Does WWE even consider it one of their 4 big shows? Not anymore, no I think Elimination Chamber is probably #4 now, with Backlash #5. They put so much more effort into that Rumble-Backlash "WM season". They've had Brock wrestle on the Backlash show the last 2 years, though maybe it's just part of his deal that he doesn't work during hunting season I'd actually argue that MITB has become more important than Survivor to them as well The one thing I'd say for Survivor is they put it in major cities. Boston this year, MSG 2 years ago, Miami in 2010, DC in 09 etc. I'm not even sure how important that is, but it's something. The card this year is terrible, and I'm not sensing any buzz beyond people talking about how terrible it is. Not a single match on the show that I'd pay to see. Psst... Backlash doesn't exist anymore. They have renamed the April show Extreme Rules. My guess is the order of importance goes: Wrestlemania, Royal Rumble, Summerslam, Money In The Bank/Extreme Rules (tied for now but give MITB a few more go rounds and it probably pulls ahead), Elimination Chamber, Survivor Series, HIAC/TLC, everything else.
Eduardo Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 I've been watching most of the PPV's live this year, but no way in hell am I going to miss Peyton Manning vs Tom Brady for this Survivor Series card.
cm funk Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 I just say Backlash out of habit. It's still the show that carries over from WM will all the rematches and such
Slasher Posted November 24, 2013 Report Posted November 24, 2013 I just say Backlash out of habit. It's still the show that carries over from WM will all the rematches and such The only reason Extreme Rules get play is it is typically the Wrestlemania rematches card, so you still get what is seen as major matches booked on the show. The only recent exception is when they hotshot Goldberg vs Rock (and that is only because Rocky was on his way out) and Brock Lesnar vs John Cena (probably the only true example of a major Mania quality one off match in the show's history in the past 10 years). While they have built MITB as a solid performer in its own right. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if it overtakes Summerslam in a few years. What I am trying to say is I don't see Extreme Rules as a show they consciously try to book as important or as a major priority. It is just a sloppy seconds show to the main event of the WWE calendar. Easy to load up with zero care.
KrisZ Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Holy shit Big E & Mark Henry as a tag team is glorious
Loss Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 It says a lot that unifying the WWE and World titles after over a decade of them being separate isn't enough to carry a Wrestlemania main event. I understand them doing it at TLC, but that's something that should be a much bigger deal than it is, sadly.
Blehschmidt Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Alright, so tonight they announced John Cena vs Randy Orton in a TLC match for both titles at the next ppv in 3 weeks. (You know, plenty of time to build up what should potentially be the biggest match the company has seen since introducing the second title, but I digress) Now, I ask this question for purely selfish reasons, mostly because I am going.... Does this make the loser of that match (assuming they don't do a non-finish) the obvious winner of the Royal Rumble? If not, who do you think takes the Rumble and moves on to Wrestlemania?
tim Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 It says a lot that unifying the WWE and World titles after over a decade of them being separate isn't enough to carry a Wrestlemania main event. I understand them doing it at TLC, but that's something that should be a much bigger deal than it is, sadly. I don't see it ending at TLC. Honestly I see one guy falling off the ladder with one title as the other guy falls off with the other or something equally gimmicky and uninteresting.
The Chief Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 It says a lot that unifying the WWE and World titles after over a decade of them being separate isn't enough to carry a Wrestlemania main event. I understand them doing it at TLC, but that's something that should be a much bigger deal than it is, sadly. This is something that really should be a straight up match. Feels wrong having a gimmick overshadow it, I mean, this should be a REALLY big deal.
sek69 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Yeah they seem to be carefully not mentioning the titles will be unified, seems like they are setting up another PPV fuck finish and can rightly claim they never promised anything.
Bix Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Well, they can also do a double title match without actually unifying the titles like they did with the WCW Cruiserweight and WWF Light Heavyweight Titles during the invasion.
NintendoLogic Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Remember how the crowd exploded when Dolph cashed in the last time Raw was in the NYC area? Now he's reduced to leeching off ZACK RYDER'S heat.
hammerva Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 These Sandow vs Ziggler hardcore matches have got to be a backstage rib by Triple H to fuck with them right?
Slasher Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 It says a lot that unifying the WWE and World titles after over a decade of them being separate isn't enough to carry a Wrestlemania main event. I understand them doing it at TLC, but that's something that should be a much bigger deal than it is, sadly. This is something that really should be a straight up match. Feels wrong having a gimmick overshadow it, I mean, this should be a REALLY big deal. Probably thought they were getting the WMX ladder match effect for it with both men having to climb the ladder to get it. I agree it will likely end with one of them grabbing one title before getting knocked down and the other getting the second title. Maybe even with them switching ownership of the belts and the authority being conflicted whether to allow marketing of Cena as the face of WWE or elevating the World title to that status?
Mini Bennett Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 It says a lot that unifying the WWE and World titles after over a decade of them being separate isn't enough to carry a Wrestlemania main event. I understand them doing it at TLC, but that's something that should be a much bigger deal than it is, sadly. Oh hey Jericho at Vengeance 2001. What a huge deal that was
tim Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 So hey that Shield tag was really good. Short but choke full of cool stuff. Cool opening moving immediately into a top notch extended Goldust comeback, cool stuff from Rey and nice ending featuring Reigns killing dudes with spears.
Slasher Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 I feel like they are being the opposite of natural in pushing Reigns. Up til Survivor Series he worked within the framework of the Shield stable and doled out spears at opportune times and now he is just spearing everyone out of their boots like he is addicted to it all of sudden. It is ok to build him up as a dangerous entity separated from the Shield while keeping him within the stable without needing to be so hamhanded about it.
Bix Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 Remember how the crowd exploded when Dolph cashed in the last time Raw was in the NYC area? Now he's reduced to leeching off ZACK RYDER'S heat.The last time Raw was in the market before tonight was the night after MITB in July.
NintendoLogic Posted November 26, 2013 Report Posted November 26, 2013 I stand corrected. My broader point stands.
cm funk Posted November 27, 2013 Report Posted November 27, 2013 I feel like they are being the opposite of natural in pushing Reigns. Up til Survivor Series he worked within the framework of the Shield stable and doled out spears at opportune times and now he is just spearing everyone out of their boots like he is addicted to it all of sudden. It is ok to build him up as a dangerous entity separated from the Shield while keeping him within the stable without needing to be so hamhanded about it. they don't know how to be subtle, and when they stumble upon something organic they typically go overboard and run it into the ground WWE head of creative: Stephanie McMahon says it all really
Guest TheGreatPuma Posted November 27, 2013 Report Posted November 27, 2013 I'm really disappointed and disheartened in some the choices WWE has been making lately especially after them giving me some teases on some stuff I wanted to see. There has been so much wasted opportunity over the years. I'll keep doing what I've mostly been doing with the WWF/WWE since always. I will watch what I like and skip what I don't. Spend my time enjoying what I like and spend no time on the stuff that doesn't interest me/
RWOOD Posted November 30, 2013 Report Posted November 30, 2013 Awesome Smackdown tonight. Teddy Long wasn't there but his presence and authority was felt all thru the 2nd hour of the show... Aside from a slight screw job, the tag title match when 22 minutes and then got restarted twice. Ambrose on commentary was fantastic. It goes without saying the work was great. When the marathon of three matches finally ended I was exhausted and super satisfied that I tuned in. Seek it out if you missed it. Also, the Titus/turkey/Cesaroswing/pukeinthehat spot was freaking hilarious. Happy thanksgiving everyone, cheers.
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