JMFabianoRPL Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 If you go to TV Tropes' Nightmare Fuel section and look at the pro wrestling folder, they mention Windham's "stalker" gimmick from 1996, and how the original intent was to have him feud with Marc Mero after he...get ready...slit Sable's throat. I am very skeptical of this, as this was yet another PG period (maybe PG-13, as you had blood and Goldust's original incarnation). But the TV Tropes article also claims that "Word of God" (meaning coming from the actors, directors, writers, etc.) confirms the planning of this angle. Does anyone know if this was for real, and if so, who was the person who mentioned it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 False. Has to be. Slitting Sable's throat? Not a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookeighana Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 It's another one of those unsourced wikipedia stories. Windham's success with this gimmick was hampered by last minute changes. Windham cut promos as a heel, displaying The Stalker as a deranged and dangerous former military man and was scheduled to start a feud with Marc Mero. Mero, however, refused to agree to the planned storyline that would have been kick started by The Stalker stalking Sable and (kayfabe) cutting her throat. Following Mero's rejection of this plot point their whole program was scrapped and Stalker was introduced with little fanfare as a babyface. From how it's worded, it seems like it might be something Mero or Windham claimed in an interview but two minutes of googling didn't render anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 The vignettes had Windham cut promos on the heels : Rewatching these, and stumbling onto Waylon Mercy's and Goldust's vignettes, it reminds me how much I loved to watch these and how excited I was to see new creepy or funny characters being introduced. Of course the T.L. Hopper, Duke Droese or Henry Godwinn vignettes weren't nearly as fun... But to me it was all a part of what I loved about wrestling, because vignettes were unique and simply an introduction to, well, pro-wrestlers who were gonna work pro-wrestling matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 9, 2013 Report Share Posted July 9, 2013 Wow, Mr. Fabiano, where have you been? Is there no chance that the "slit throat" might have been more intended as a metaphor or just a threat even? Also, it's not impossible that they could have done an angle in which The Stalker attacked Sable and injured her throat in some way. The "slit" makes it sound fatal and therefore really edgy, but it could have just been a proposed injury angle. Perhaps Mero was against it because he didn't want Sable off screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFabianoRPL Posted July 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Oh hi Parv, I am mostly on DVDVR but that seems to be down at the moment. Yeah, I'd imagine he'd just be holding her at knife point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yeah, I'd imagine he'd just be holding her at knife point. Still seems like way too much for the time frame, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'd imagine it would be done off camera. You see a vignette or something with Windham sharpening a knife and taunting Mero. Then he kidnaps Sable Next thing we know she's in hospital That's pretty much the only way I can see it going down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khawk20 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The thing that I don't like about it is that Mero beating Windham in a wrestling feud would somehow be equated as evening things up for him "slitting the throat" of Sable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death From Above Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The Frozen Nazi thing that got shot down in the "10 WWE Creative Horror Stories" post had more chance of coming true than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 What's the most extreme angle they'd done up to this point in 96 do you think? I got: - Savage being bitten by the snake - Ron Bass's attack on Beefcake (just remember the big red X censoring it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 What's the most extreme angle they'd done up to this point in 96 do you think? I got: - Savage being bitten by the snake - Ron Bass's attack on Beefcake (just remember the big red X censoring it) Warrior being locked in the casket was sold pretty big, and even rather realistically. No blood but they pushed the idea of not being able to breathe really hard. Austin 3:16 vs. Pillman 9mm, not to mention all the stuff with Goldust, probably tops all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nell Santucci Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 What's the most extreme angle they'd done up to this point in 96 do you think? I got: - Savage being bitten by the snake - Ron Bass's attack on Beefcake (just remember the big red X censoring it) In fairness, not even three months later, Pillman pulled a gun on Austin, which USA Network reprimanded WWE for. You know, I'm going to take the minority position on this one and say that this angle was certainly possible. WWE obviously wanted to move in some weird true crime direction around this period, but it had too many shades of reality in 1996 for this direction to become plausible. Suppose Austin/Pillman had been a ratings smash (which it wasn't) and USA Network didn't reprimand WWE for the angle. Is it that much of a stretch to think Stalker/Mero wouldn't have done a similar angle? I don't think so, and I don't think it would have lasted long either. I just don't know who would have been most influential to push something like this. Something tells me Vince Russo would have been behind this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The gun angle was booked by Jake Roberts, who was on the committee for a short time period. A Sable kidnapping doesn't seem like a stretch for him to push at all. On TVTropes "Word of God" is supposed to be the show producer, director, or showrunner. Who exactly would they be citing? If it ain't Vince himself, then it ain't the "Word of God." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 The gun angle was booked by Jake Roberts, who was on the committee for a short time period. What else was he responsible for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 It's worth noting that they teased a lesbian angle with Marlena lusting after Sable around this time period too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BruiserBrody Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sable did get choked by Taker during this period (during Sunday Morning Superstars no less!) but I highly doubt Windham was ever in line for such an extreme angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 It's worth noting that they teased a lesbian angle with Marlena lusting after Sable around this time period too. Scrapped because of/thanks to Bret Hart, who was in negociation to re-sign with WWF at this time. I also remember Mankind acting like Marlena was his mommy or something. Never went anywhere, sadly, could have been awesome, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMFabianoRPL Posted July 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Berzerker trying to stab Undertaker was kind of intense. As was Nailz' beatdown of Big Bossman (more for the makeup job they did for Bossman after). The idea that Mountie was electrocuting people too, esp. A) when he did it to a wet Bret Hart, and when he got the giant shock stick to use on Sarge. 1991 and 1992 were interesting years for the WWF, as they tried some "hardcore" angles yet still cartoony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigelow34 Posted July 10, 2013 Report Share Posted July 10, 2013 Jake slapping Elizabeth at Tuesday in Texas is up there as well...still makes me pissed when I watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rvd356 Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Jake slapping Elizabeth at Tuesday in Texas is up there as well...still makes me pissed when I watch it. Yeah all of Jake Roberts best angles were kind of racy. I actually watched the Jake Roberts DVD with my new girlfriend(I know I'm not a dork or anything) & she really reacted to all Jakes big angles with raw emotion. She had never even seen a match but the Cobra thing was shocking to her(still is to me) & also Rick Rude manhandling her(twisting her arm) infuriated my girl & she was so happy when Jake saves. That stuff was wicked. Basically Jake had his finger on the pulse of the fans and could draw people in so well. It's too bad he couldn't make it on the booking commitee or ever get back into shape after he bombed out in 92. He was in his prime in 1991 & bombed out of WWE & WCW after a few months in each. Shows what pills, crack & booze can do to your life & career. Off topic bug 20 years later & he's finally doing some good. Do you guys support a Rumble 2014 spot for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 I'd think the worst thing for Jake would be getting anywhere near a locker room right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 Jake has done tv shots for Rampage and TCW in the last couple of weeks, so he has been in the locker room recently. I imagine Johnny G is kind of guy who would have previously paid Jake in coke/teenage hookers, pretty positive that didn't happen here as Page was with him. TCW is run out of Arkansas, Mississippi and has vague association with Memphisish wrestling. There champion is fucking Lance Hoyt. I can only imagine what that locker room is like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyonthewall2983 Posted July 12, 2013 Report Share Posted July 12, 2013 I'd think the worst thing for Jake would be getting anywhere near a locker room right now. Yeah but I would imagine WWE locker rooms now are practically churches compared to what he's seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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