JerryvonKramer Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 http://placetobenation.com/where-the-big-b...-fantasy-draft/ To celebrate their 50th show, Chad and Parv welcome Chad’s “other” co-host, Brad, and Titans of Wrestling regular Kelly for an experimental format: the 1990 Fantasy Draft! Click through to find the rules as well as the draft results and fantasy booking sheets. Don’t forget to vote in the polls to tell us who did the best job! Please vote using the polls on PTBN, but let us know your thoughts here too. Thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Ooh, I have to listen to see if Chad drafts Lightning Kid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Charles, you wont believe this but Lightning Kid didn't make the cut. I honestly didn't think of him when Parv was asking me if there was guys missing because I threw out some USWA and USWA TX names. However, I did create a Snowman/Tony Atlas led tag team with Teddy Long managing that feels like a Loss special. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Might as well share the rules and talent pool here. I'm sure Loss will enjoy Chad's love letter to the USWA. The Scenario: It's 1990 and the 20-year old Sheikh Mansour has decided that he loves American pro wrestling and would like to own it. His father, the multi-billionaire Emir Zayed II, decides that for his birthday he'll give his son what he wants. He promptly buys WWF from Vince McMahon for an undisclosed fee, but fearing that this is not enough goes ahead and buys WCW from Ted Turner and USWA from Jerry Jarrett too -- along with all of the contracts for every company, with the sole exception of Kamala who was fired on the spot. But this is not enough for the young Mansour. He wants to see the best wrestling possible on well-booked, well-paced supercards. So Zayed appoints four trusted wrestling "experts" with the task -- but to make things more interesting, he sets them in competition with each other. The winner gets to run the company with the roster he has put together; as for the three losers ... The Rules: 1. There is a talent pool of 160 people. 2. Rosters are to be selected using "draft picks" in serpentine order; no one gets left behind; no picks can be skipped. 3. After the rosters are selected, there will be a chance for listeners to vote in a poll for who has the best roster and the best booked card. (10 points for each vote) 4. In addition to filling up a roster of at least 30 wrestlers, each booker must also ensure that they have drafted a broadcast team and other key non-wrestlers. They must have: - A commentary team (at least two, can have up to three) - An interviewer (at least one, can have up to two) - A ring announcer (can only have one) - An on-air authority figure - A referee - A manager (at least two, can have up to four) Bookers will incur a 5-point penalty if any of these positions are not filled and a 10-point penalty for failing to have at least 30 active wrestlers on the roster. You cannot employ obvious non-wrestlers in wrestling roles -- for example, Gordon Solie is not stepping in the ring to compete, period. "Margin calls" where nonwrestlers have wrestling ability and have been employed as wrestlers (e.g. Bobby Heenan or Lord Alfred Hayes) can be decided by the High Council. 5. No one pulls double duty: e.g. Roddy Piper cannot be a commentator and an active wrestler; Bobby Heenan cannot do colour and be a manager. 6. Bookers get a four-week lead-in time to book their supercard. 7. Every single wrestler on the roster must be used on the supercard. There will be a 5-point penalty for every wrestler not used. 8. Bookers must establish their world heavyweight champion, secondary champion and tag champions. They may create further titles as they please. 9. Battle Royales may have no more than 20 wrestlers and there can only be one on each card. Bad News Brown has it written into his contract that he cannot be booked as part of a battle royale. The Talent Pool: Abdullah the Butcher Akeem Akio Sato Al Perez Alexandra York Andre Arn Anderson Ax Bad News Brown Bam Bam Bigelow Barbarian Barry Horrowitz Barry Windham Big Boss Man Big Van Vader Bill Dundee Billy Joe Travis Bob Caudle Bob Orton Jr Bobby Eaton Bobby Heenan Boris Zhukov Brad Armstrong Bret Hart Brian Pillman British Bulldog Brooklyn Brawler Brutus Beefcake Buddy Rose Bushwacker Butch Bushwacker Luke Butch Reed Buzz Sawyer Cactus Jack Chris Adams Dan Spivey Dave Brown Dino Bravo Dragon Master Dusty Rhodes Earl Hebner Earthquake Eddie Gilbert El Gigante Elizabeth Eric Bischoff Eric Embry Fatu Gary Hart Gary Michael Capetta Gene Okerlund Gordon Solie Gorilla Monsoon Great Muta Greg Valentine Haku Hercules Hernandez Hillbilly Jim Honkytonk Man Howard Finkel Hulk Hogan Iron Sheik Ivan Koloff Jack Tunney Jack Victory Jake Roberts Jeff Jarrett Jerry Lawler Jesse Ventura Jim Cornette Jim Duggan Jim Herd Jim Neidhart Jim Powers Jim Ross Jimmy Garvin Jimmy Hart Jimmy Snuka Joey Marella John Tatum Johnny Ace Junkyard Dog Ken Patera Kerry von Erich Kevin Sullivan Koko B. Ware Lance Russell Lanny Poffo Larry Zybysko Lex Luger Lord Alfred Hayes Mark Callous Marty Jannetty Matt Borne Michael Buffer Michael Hayes Mike McGuirk Mike Rotunda Mr Fuji Mr Pefect Mr Saito Nick Patrick Nikolai Volkoff Norman the Lunatic Ole Anderson Oliver Humperdink Pat Tanaka Paul Diamond Paul E. Dangerously Paul Orndorff Paul Roma Percy Pringle Randy Anderson Randy Savage Ranger Ross Ric Flair Rick Martel Rick Rude Rick Steiner Ricky Morton Ricky Steamboat Road Warrior Animal Road Warrior Hawk Robert Gibson Roddy Piper Ron Garvin Ron Simmons Samoan Savage Samu Scott Steiner SD Jones Sean Mooney Sensational Sherri Shane Douglas Shawn Michaels Sid Slick Smash Snowman Stan Hansen Stan Lane Steve Austin Steve Williams Sting Ted DiBiase Teddy Long Terry Funk Terry Taylor Tito Santana Tom Zenk Tommy Rich Tony Atlas Tony Schiavone Tugboat Tully Blanchard Ultimate Warrior Vince McMahon Virgil Warlord Woman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Within the Place to Be Nation link, there are links to the rules and also to the draft results (in a tidy little grid format which ended up looking pretty good :patsback:). I'd strongly recommend listening to the Parv meltdowns on the show before seeing the results without context Very entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigelow34 Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I assume we all have a moment where we just accept we are just on another level of nerd and just embrace it fully. Mine arrived moments ago when I audibly laughed loudly at work when Chad quipped that "Akeem and Jim Duggan were drafted ahead of Bret Hart". This is fantastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 I love the finished product on PTBN. Great job Brad! This was fun and I had a great time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted October 1, 2013 Report Share Posted October 1, 2013 Thanks Kelly! Was a blast to do (and I'm really glad we did part 2 yesterday for a fresh 1.5 hours) and put together for the site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Jackson Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Good thing I voted for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I am mildly ashamed to admit I have done this sort of thing before several times with brothers and friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Heard the first part and enjoyed it immensely. My brother and I used to do this sort of thing to create Survivor Series style cards. We'd end up with some really odd teams and matchups. This hit that nostalgic sweet spot for me. I can relate with Parv's frustration at having a plan and then quickly finding out that it's not going as you envisioned. I await the grand plan for Team Lard. I do have one complaint. I did not see the draft pool list before listening and I kept waiting for someone to be picked. Round after round with no mention of him and then I realized you guys did not have him in the pool. How could you guys forget Sgt. Slaughter? You gave Ranger Ross some love but not the Sarge. For shame. And poor Kamala! I might just book a card with some of the neglected wrestlers not included in the draft just to get Kamala some work. I'll listen to part two tomorrow. Some interesting rosters for all four of you. Without knowing the booking yet, the potential Savage/Funk match is in the lead as my favorite so far. Of course, it'll depend on what you guys came up with. Great show! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I am mildly ashamed to admit I have done this sort of thing before several times with brothers and friends YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Heard the first part and enjoyed it immensely. My brother and I used to do this sort of thing to create Survivor Series style cards. We'd end up with some really odd teams and matchups. This hit that nostalgic sweet spot for me. I can relate with Parv's frustration at having a plan and then quickly finding out that it's not going as you envisioned. I await the grand plan for Team Lard. I do have one complaint. I did not see the draft pool list before listening and I kept waiting for someone to be picked. Round after round with no mention of him and then I realized you guys did not have him in the pool. How could you guys forget Sgt. Slaughter? You gave Ranger Ross some love but not the Sarge. For shame. And poor Kamala! I might just book a card with some of the neglected wrestlers not included in the draft just to get Kamala some work. I'll listen to part two tomorrow. Some interesting rosters for all four of you. Without knowing the booking yet, the potential Savage/Funk match is in the lead as my favorite so far. Of course, it'll depend on what you guys came up with. Great show! I won't speak for soup but i'm guessing he was looking at the beginning of 1990 for the roster list - which could be why Slaughter slipped through. You should totally book a card with those missed. And dont forget to vote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 I actually came up with the 160. I sat down and just wrote down every name I could think of from late 89 / early 90 and before I knew it there were like 130 guys there. Then I went and had a look at cards, yearbook and Brick listings for anyone I missed before Chad checked it. I had them subdivided by WWF, WCW, USWA and then a few interesting cases from elsewhere (Hansen, Vader, Zybysko -- all on that Feb Tokyo card I'd recently watched) Chad mentioned some more USWA guys and naturally I was all like "nah man SD Jones". What was Sarge even doing in early 90? Completely slipped my mind and didn't see him on the cards. I'd love to see a card of guys who didn't make the cut. Owen was another one. Zeus. Rip Morgan. Nitron. Got yourself a hell of main event there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Wasn't he in the AWA, Parv? I thought he had the Hasbro deal which provided him from using the Slaughter gimmick in WWF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 He came back to WWF with vignettes and then started his run to the title. Probably should have made the 160 and would be interesting to see where he would slot. I don't think this will be the last draft of this type we do though and Slaughter should fit in for some other years I have in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Wasn't he in the AWA, Parv? I thought he had the Hasbro deal which provided him from using the Slaughter gimmick in WWF. I meant this for the beginning of 1990 of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted October 3, 2013 Report Share Posted October 3, 2013 Yeah, Slaughter was in the AWA in the first half of 1990. He was captain of one of the teams in the Team Challenge Series. The reason Slaughter stood out was that I thought that the list was compiled by looking at the top cards of the year (PPVs, SNME, Clashes, etc.) and Slaughter was a team captain at the Survivor Series. I already voted for the best roster, I'm still waiting to hear the second part before voting for best booking. I'll provide some feedback here after listening. I'll give that card with the "leftovers" a go. I'll follow the same roster rules you guys had. One question, it's only wrestlers that were active in 90 and could realistically have worked for a company in the States, right? I'll post a roster here before doing the booking just to make sure it's ok by the rules set forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted October 4, 2013 Report Share Posted October 4, 2013 This episode made me want to do some type of fantasy league. I figure if there is 6-7 of us who want to do a draft and fantasy book it, a weekly show and bimonthly ppv would work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Solomon Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 I'm down for any fantasy league. I started doing this in 85, fantasy booking the AWA from the time they lose Hogan onwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 I just listened to the second part and it was interesting to hear the thought process of booking the cards (particularly adjusting previous plans according to who was actually drafted by each of you). I’ll post some more specific feedback about each of the cards soon. In the meantime, I had mentioned I was going to try to book a card with the “leftovers”. Deciding on a roster based on the wrestlers not included was harder than I thought it would be and not because of the scarcity of wrestlers. Quite the opposite, there were a lot of good names available, granted not a lot of really top star names for 1990, but good wrestlers to have on a roster. I’ll pass on Zeus and Nitron though. I’ll list the wrestlers I have selected according to what the rules are for this booking challenge. If there is anyone on this list that should not be included (be it they were not active in 1990, too low profile, accidentally repeated someone that was already drafted, or it is someone that realistically could not have worked for a U.S based company that year), let me know so I can make a switch. I tried to stick with guys that had already had some sort of exposure for one of the notable companies in the U.S or would appear at some point that year. My list of 32 is as follows: Black Bart Brady Boone Bobby Fulton Buddy Landell Brian Knobbs Col. DeBeers Dick Murdoch Dick Slater Dustin Rhodes Dutch Mantel Jerry Sags John Nord Kamala Madusa Magnificent Mimi Mike Enos Nikita Koloff Owen Hart Rip Morgan Rip Rogers Scott Hall Scott Norton Sgt. Slaughter Steve Armstrong Terry Gordy Texas Hangmen Killer Texas Hangmen Psycho The Trooper Tim Horner Tommy Rogers Tracy Smothers Wayne Bloom The one I’m having trouble with is coming up with my 8 non-wrestlers. I’ve come up with the following list of possible selections but I’m not really sure what other options there may be. If anyone has any suggestions let me know. I’ll make a final selection of non-wrestlers shortly, but I want to make sure I haven’t forgotten any possible 1990 candidate for the non-wrestler positions. Adnan al-Kaissie Brother Love Bruno Sammartino Danny Davis Diamond Dallas Page Eddie Marlin Frenchy Martin Hugo Savinovich James Beard Ken Resnick Lee Marshall Lord Littlebrook Missy Hyatt Nick Bockwinkel Sapphire Skandor Akbar Verne Gagne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Migs Posted October 7, 2013 Report Share Posted October 7, 2013 This reminds me of the days I spent writing rule sets for alternate universes played out on TNM, with the cards written up and distributed via an e-mail list. Great times. Apparently TNM still exists... could be super entertaining to plug the cards in and see what ratings they get (recognizing that ratings on TNM were very late 90s smark-y). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soup23 Posted October 9, 2013 Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 Actually have a fairly good core of guys to work with Boricua. As far as a fantasy league type thing for this, I had a lot of fun for this show but would probably be receiving my divorce papers if I did this regularly as Im almost positive I put more thought into the booking here than I did on buying my first house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted October 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2013 If anyone here has actually voted on the PTBN poll ... specifically for Brad ... please let me know. How has this happened? My Jesse Ventura-style conspiracy here is that Brad's votes consist of: Brad, Brad's iphone, Brad's laptop, Brad's iPad, Brad in work, and so on. The deadline for voting will be either when episode #52 (Clash 11) drops, or the second I start leading the poll -- whichever one happens first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradhindsight Posted October 11, 2013 Report Share Posted October 11, 2013 Pretty close on the booking. I have to say I'm flattered that my draft (and booking) was so well-received. Here's the link to both the results and the polls: http://placetobenation.com/where-the-big-b...-fantasy-draft/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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