Zoo Enthusiast Posted May 8, 2015 Report Share Posted May 8, 2015 Saying "remember the wrestler." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Ripping Owen Hart's widow because she doesn't support a DVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Here's why jingoism is awesome in Pro Werestling. In the Pro Wrestling universe, New Zealanders and Canadians are Foreign Threats. That's hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 I guess you COULD have wrestling without jingoism but it wouldn't be as fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 ^From an American perspective, yes. But watching as a child in other countries, I guess a lot of kids might have felt really upset and sad that people who looked like the adults in their families were denigrated and mocked. I have friends of Middle-Eastern origin who used to feel mad about how things like headscarves and other cultural artifacts were portrayed. It is something which a lot of Americans do not understand; because American pop-culture and the entertainment industry are so ubiquitous and self-sufficient, they do not really need to look at other countries and their entertainment options; ergo, American kids do not feel upset or offended at the mocking and dissing of America in other countries, which is plentiful and as inexcusable as stereotyping other cultures in wrestling. Â I confess I have no real stake in this. Somehow, WWE has never focused on India and Indian gimmicks too much beyond Khali, despite India being WWE's third largest market. And I am not going to be hating on the Punjabi Playboy; although it did cause a modicum of outrage here, it is on account of cultural differences and ignorance, and I know WWE were not intentionally causing offence. I thought that gimmick was fucking entertaining, and the Bhangra entrance music was an added bonus haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkdoc Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Here's why jingoism is awesome in Pro Werestling. In the Pro Wrestling universe, New Zealanders and Canadians are Foreign Threats. That's hilarious. shoutouts to the yukon lumberjacks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shining Wiz Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Â When you guys say "jingoism", you mean stereotypical and/or racist, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 They mean hyper patriotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, "You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Â When you guys say "jingoism", you mean stereotypical and/or racist, no? No that's "Djangoism". Â Thank you, I'll be here all week. Tip your bartenders and try the veal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 9, 2015 Report Share Posted May 9, 2015 Wasn't there some awkwardness with Harlem Heat at Hog Wild in front of a huge sea of bikers? I always thought that was particularly surprising since JCP/WCW were practically progressive in pro wrestling terms when it came to racial stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackwebb Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Mick Foley/WWF fans going after the family owned web site of that gay man that was murdered in a hate crime. Matthew Shepard. Over the Time Man of the Year vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKWildcat Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Mick Foley/WWF fans going after the family owned web site of that gay man that was murdered in a hate crime. Matthew Shepard. Over the Time Man of the Year vote. Was Foley encouraging people to vote for him?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Mick Foley/WWF fans going after the family owned web site of that gay man that was murdered in a hate crime. Matthew Shepard. Over the Time Man of the Year vote. Â I have no idea about this. What happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://www.ainfos.ca/98/dec/ainfos00203.html   IIRC Mick wasn't involved, it was just stupid people trying to crash the voting. There was a time where it was a thing for people online to try to get wacky things pushed to the top of the Man of the Year voting as if Time would have been bound to honor it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted May 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://www.ainfos.ca/98/dec/ainfos00203.html   IIRC Mick wasn't involved, it was just stupid people trying to crash the voting. There was a time where it was a thing for people online to try to get wacky things pushed to the top of the Man of the Year voting as if Time would have been bound to honor it.  That is absolutely sickening. I have no time for Foley and his "Aw shucks!" routine, but I do hope he publicly condemned it. What happened finally in the poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKWildcat Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 http://www.ainfos.ca/98/dec/ainfos00203.html   IIRC Mick wasn't involved, it was just stupid people trying to crash the voting. There was a time where it was a thing for people online to try to get wacky things pushed to the top of the Man of the Year voting as if Time would have been bound to honor it. Ahhhh, they would do the same for Flair if I remember correctly. It seems like he won it one year, but Time wouldn't recognize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Sorrow Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Blaming Foley for that is misplaced anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 The "This is awesome" chant when 95% of the time they should be chanting "This is okay" or "This is alright". Maybe even "This is acceptable". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Maybe even "This is acceptable". Â That would be a riot, honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indikator Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Last year Jimmy Havoc wrestled in Oberhausen wearing a "Die Havoc Die" shirt and ze Germans chanted "The Havoc The" (or was it Jimmy?) . I was sad not to have witnessed that live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El-P Posted May 10, 2015 Report Share Posted May 10, 2015 Last year Jimmy Havoc wrestled in Oberhausen wearing a "Die Havoc Die" shirt and ze Germans chanted "The Havoc The" (or was it Jimmy?) . I was sad not to have witnessed that live. Â Hilarious ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seej Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 The "This is awesome" chant when 95% of the time they should be chanting "This is okay" or "This is alright". Maybe even "This is acceptable". That's disgusting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakeplastictrees Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 ^From an American perspective, yes. But watching as a child in other countries, I guess a lot of kids might have felt really upset and sad that people who looked like the adults in their families were denigrated and mocked. I have friends of Middle-Eastern origin who used to feel mad about how things like headscarves and other cultural artifacts were portrayed. It is something which a lot of Americans do not understand; because American pop-culture and the entertainment industry are so ubiquitous and self-sufficient, they do not really need to look at other countries and their entertainment options; ergo, American kids do not feel upset or offended at the mocking and dissing of America in other countries, which is plentiful and as inexcusable as stereotyping other cultures in wrestling. Â I confess I have no real stake in this. Somehow, WWE has never focused on India and Indian gimmicks too much beyond Khali, despite India being WWE's third largest market. And I am not going to be hating on the Punjabi Playboy; although it did cause a modicum of outrage here, it is on account of cultural differences and ignorance, and I know WWE were not intentionally causing offence. I thought that gimmick was fucking entertaining, and the Bhangra entrance music was an added bonus haha. Â I don't want to de-rail the thread, but I would like to hear more on this. I always heard that WWE kept Khali around for the Indian market. How big was his over there? Were people digging the gimmick? When we has champion were people showing up to bars to see him defend his title? Was his making the TV rounds showing off the belt and people TV hosts in headlocks? Â What about Sonjay Dutt? JJ and others act as if they are going into India then he must be around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S. Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 I don't want to de-rail the thread, but I would like to hear more on this. I always heard that WWE kept Khali around for the Indian market. How big was his over there? Were people digging the gimmick? When we has champion were people showing up to bars to see him defend his title? Was his making the TV rounds showing off the belt and people TV hosts in headlocks? Â The Giants documentary, which is on WWE Network now, made Khali seem like a very big deal in India, showed footage of him over there, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted May 11, 2015 Report Share Posted May 11, 2015 Â The "This is awesome" chant when 95% of the time they should be chanting "This is okay" or "This is alright". Maybe even "This is acceptable". That's disgusting? Â Chanting "this is awesome" during a Miz/Mizdow match IS just as disgusting as chanting "she's a crack whore" towards Tammy Sytch. At least one of those chants was true, and the other has Miz in so we know it a lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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