Jesse Ewiak Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Just seeing how people actually feel about this, since there have been a variety of views. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainmakerrtv Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 I agree that it is a bit morbid to keep using people after the point where they have passed but would be more lenient with retirement. Major injuries like Magnum TA are a different consideration, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Here is a question, if rolling a dice killed Hulk Hogan in 1984 would that be an issue in the game? What about Flair or Steamboat or Mike Rotundo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Ewiak Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Here is a question, if rolling a dice killed Hulk Hogan in 1984 would that be an issue in the game? What about Flair or Steamboat or Mike Rotundo? Â My idea was basically, that once you get to somebodies RL death date, you start rolling the dice, and go from there. I think it'd be way too much overuse of butterflies when it comes to alternate history to start randomly knocking off guys. Â My personal view is that probably, RL deaths or major injuries that were a result of the persons long-term issues (Gino, David Von Erich, etc.) probably need to happen close to on time, but if Adrian Adonis isn't in Canada in '88 or Magnum TA isn't on a North Carolina road in 1986, whose to say they're necessarily in the same position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Injuries should be discussed on this front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 The retirement thing is a really key consideration for one particular worker. Seems to me that if he was still working as opposed to being bought out by Vince, he might not have retired. You know who I'm talking about. Â I think the impending death thing is morbid whichever way you do it. Grand Wizard died in October 83, so what happens? Someone drafts him and deals with his heart attack? Or he lives beyong it? In either case, I don't think mordibity is something we can be too squeamish about. Especially when like half of the guys are dead anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 The retirement thing is a really key consideration for one particular worker. Seems to me that if he was still working as opposed to being bought out by Vince, he might not have retired. You know who I'm talking about. Â I think the impending death thing is morbid whichever way you do it. Grand Wizard died in October 83, so what happens? Someone drafts him and deals with his heart attack? Or he lives beyong it? In either case, I don't think mordibity is something we can be too squeamish about. Especially when like half of the guys are dead anyway. Can Fritz draft the Wizard, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Looking at this again, I think it's completely weird to draft someone knowing they are going to die in a few months. Â If anything is morbid, it's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Injuries need to be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I have no idea how to do that with random number generators but surely someone does. They do it in TEW just fine and always right after I book out a long plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 How are we going to roleplay the fact that everyone can see into the future and knows when people will die? Â Seems strange to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Is it more or less strange than someone seeing that 2 rookies in their first month of professional wrestling, after maybe 2 or 3 televised appearances are going to be one of the hottest acts of the 80s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 How are we going to roleplay the fact that everyone can see into the future and knows when people will die? Â Seems strange to me. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Why bother paying attention to retirements then? Obviously you could just offer someone a bunch of money to not retire. Anyone already retired should be eligible to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Why bother paying attention to retirements then? Obviously you could just offer someone a bunch of money to not retire. Anyone already retired should be eligible to come back. We obviously can't have a system where everybody retired can come back, but there needs to be some kind of randomness too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Is it more or less strange than someone seeing that 2 rookies in their first month of professional wrestling, after maybe 2 or 3 televised appearances are going to be one of the hottest acts of the 80s? Â More really because you could argue that, say in the case of the Roadies, their look and so on would mean that a promoter could spot the potential. Â Whereas in the cases of the deaths surely no one saw them coming, especially in the cases of David Von Erich and the Grand Wizard who were working literally a week or so before they happened. Â No one in July 1983 knew that Grand Wizard would die in a few months. Â This not only affects the relative value of certain people, but it also defies any sense of realism we might be going for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Well why can't I offer Gino Hernandez or Terry Funk a bunch of money to come back early? I mean they do eventually come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmas Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Maybe we need to use some DD type rules. You want this person to come back out of retirement.. we roll a dice and decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Same thing with Japan tours. Guys went to Japan because they made more money over there, but since there is no realism factor regarding finances, why can't we just say that Dick Murdoch decided not to go to Japan because Bill Watts paid him enough money not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 All I'm saying is that currently "Death on Time" is winning and a harcoded "David von Erich dies on February 10, 1984" is completely weird to my way of thinking. Â Contingency can change a lot of things. Â Just think saying "Grand Wizard 100% definitely has a heart attack on THIS day" is bizarre and gives everyone the power of being an oracle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 If people have some weird moral qualms about being "morbid", then I say take out those guys who are about to die. Â As things stand, it's completely unrealistic and breaks any sense of immersion in this for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I don't think there is any more of less of an "oracle" aspect to it than the way guys get drafted higher (or lower) than actual July 1983 status based on what we know happens in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I'm completely against the idea that someone could draft The Grand Wizard and then plan for his eventual death in October. a) it's not in very good taste and b )they couln't possibly know he was about to die. Â Pushes are things bookers have control over. Making someone a star knowing that they are called Bret Hart can be justified by "spotting potential and talent". Â Knowing a guy will have a heart attack in three months is in a completely different ball park. It's nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 You can only work within established rule sets. There's no perfect solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I'm pretty particular about little things like this, they can make or break things for me. Will wait for final say, but I probably feel strongly enough that I would hand WWF over to someone else if the Death rule stands.I remember I was a year into a career on Football Manager once and found out that my German players weren't going to internationals properly because I'd forgotten to fix the "fake" German national team thing that is in there for copywright reasons. Couldn't play on because something in the game world was off.If everyone else feels strongly the other way, it's cool with me. But I don't think I can play in a setting where we already know the death dates of everyone involved. Makes no sense to me as a gamer or as someone who has played RPGs and things like that. Breaks immersion / realism idea and it's enough that I'd leave it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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