JerryvonKramer Posted February 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 If those have been low balled, who do you think has been highballed? What you have to grant is that I've given people maximum transparency and with that clarity over what exactly you might quibble on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohtani's jacket Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 I don't know. It's hard to go back on a cellphone and check everybody. But Dory seems a 6/10 to me. Backlund a 7 and Misawa an 8 based on what was and not on what could have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think I'm going to have to recalibrate the Variety rating because too many people are maxing it out. Dibiase is the latest one, because I think he should definitely get Taylor and Bob Sweetan (match on NWA Classics), which brings him up to 20 and a perfect 10 rating too. This don't seem right that so many people are acing that score, Flair has like another ten people who could be added, and I think it might be time to up the stakes and make the benchmark more difficult. I am thinking maybe 30 opponents = 10. Flair is not equal to Misawa or Ted or Hogan or Vader or Backlund when it comes to variety, he should by rights smoke all of those. And so the rating isn't right. It might be too late to change this, but the bar is too low currently. Either the quality of the "memorable match" needs to be increased or the number needs to be increased. There shouldn't be so many top trumps in the category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Even though it involves doing every single person again, I'm toying with this: 30+ opponents = 10 26-29 opponents = 9 20-25 opponents = 8 16-19 opponents = 7 12-5 opponents = 6 10-11 opponents = 5 8-9 opponents = 4 6-7 opponents = 3 3-5 opponents = 2 1-2 opponents = 1 There needs to be more separation at the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Okay, I don't think I'm gonna have time to list out every single opponent for the V category. This is the most time-consuming thing and there are a LOT of people to mince through the system. So here is what is going to happen: I'm going to make an approximation on the V rating, and we can list them out if any of them are questioned. This is a time-saving measure otherwise I'm simply not gonna get this done in time. If anyone wants to scrutinise any one rating, we could list them out. ALL V ratings are hereby re-calibrated as per the above. Flair and Funk are the only 10s in the V category. Changes as follows: Bock from 10 to 9 Ted from 10 to 8 Misawa from 10 to 8 Shawn Micahels from 10 to 8 Vader from 10 to 7 Eddie from 7 to 6 Hansen from 10 to 9 Slaughter from 6 to 5 Bret from 9 to 7 Steamboat from 8 to 7 Backlund from 10 to 9 Hogan from 10 to 8 Savage from 8 to 7 Jumbo from 10 to 9 Tenryu from 10 to 9 Brisco from 7 to 6 Baba from 7 to 6 Abdullah the Butcher from 10 to 9 Adrian Adonis from 7 to 6 I'm happier with these ratings because they more accurately reflect the top end. This may well lock Flair and Funk as #1 and #2, but it is what it is. There was no way that the other guys on 10 should have been equalling either of them for that metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Adrian Street Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 1/3 = 5 Intangibles 5 Great matches 1 Length of Peak 1972-85 = 13 years = 8 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work different gimmicks +3 ability to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Continental, AWA, Mid-South, Detroit, Florida, Calgary, United Kingdom) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 3 28 AJ Styles Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 2/3 (+1 for innovation) = 9 Intangibles 3 Great matches 8 Length of Peak 2004-15 = 11 years = 7 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work brawls +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (indies, TNA, Japan, WWE) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 7 39 Akira Taue Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 3/3 (+1 for "sense of danger") = 8 Intangibles 4 Great matches 10 Length of Peak 1991-04 = 13 years = 8 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to singles matches Ability to work different styles / roles = 2 Variety = 8 40 Alex Wright Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 1/3 = 3 Intangibles 1 Great matches 0 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world = 0 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to tags Ability to work different styles / roles = 2 Variety = 2 8 Antonio Inoki Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 2/3 = 4 Intangibles 9 Great matches 5 Length of Peak 1969-80 = 11 years = 7 +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Japan, USA, North Korea) Ability to work different styles / roles = 2 Variety = 6 33 Atsushi Onita Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 3/3 = 7 Intangibles 9 Great matches 6 Length of Peak 1989-99 = 10 years = 6 +1 ability to work non-gimmick matches +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 6 39 Bam Bam Bigelow Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 0/3 (+1 "agile for a big man") = 4 Intangibles 3 Great matches 1 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (WWF, WCW, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 4 Variety = 4 16 The Barbarian Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 1/3 = 3 Intangibles 2 Great matches 1 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags Ability to work different styles / roles = 2 Variety = 3 11 Big Boss Man Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 1/3 2/3 (+1 "agile for a big man") = 6 Intangibles 4 Great matches 3 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Big Bubba") +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (JCP, WWF, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 6 24 Big Show Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 1/3 (+1 "agile for a big man") = 4 Intangibles 5 Great matches 2 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work different gimmicks ("The Giant") +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags Ability to work different styles / roles = 4 Variety = 7 22 Bill Dundee Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 3/3 = 8 Intangibles 4 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1975-87 = 13 years = 8 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +2 abilty to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Mid-South, AWA, JCP) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 5 34 Bob Orton Jr. Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 2/3 (+1 for innovation) = 9 Intangibles 2 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1978-86 = 8 years = 5 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +2 abilty to get over in multiple markets (Florida, JCP, WWF, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 7 32 Bobby Fulton Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 2/3 = 5 Intangibles 2 Great matches 4 Length of Peak [never one of the best in world] = 0 +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work singles matches +3 abilty to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Southwest, Mid-South, JCP, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 4 20 Brad Armstrong Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 1/3 = 4 Intangibles 0 Great matches 2 Length of Peak [never one of the best in world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Badstreet") +1 ability to work tags +3 abilty to get over in multiple markets (South Eastern, GCW, Japan, JCP, Mid-South) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 3 15 'Flyin'' Brian Pillman Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 1/3 = 6 Intangibles 3 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1989-95 = 6 years = 4 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Hollywood Blondes") +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work gimmick matches +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (Calgary, WCW, WWF, ECW) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 6 29 Brock Lesnar Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 2/3 1/3 (+1 for incredible intensity) = 7 Intangibles 5 Great matches 7 Length of Peak 2002-16 = 14 years = 8 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches Ability to work different styles / roles = 2 Variety = 5 34 Bruiser Brody Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 0/3 0/3 (+1 for knee drop) = 2 Intangibles 5 Great matches 1 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +3 ability to get over in multiple markets (every territory, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 4 18 Buzz Sawyer Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 2/3 1/3 = 6 Intangibles 4 Great matches 2 Length of Peak 1981-90 = 9 years = 6 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (GCW, Mid-South, WWCW, WCW) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 3 26 Carlos Colon Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 2/3 = 6 Intangibles 6 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1969-87 = 18 years = 10 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +1 ability to work tags Ability to work different styles / roles = 4 Variety = 7 37 Chavo Guerrero (Sr.) Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 1/3 = 6 Intangibles 2 Great matches 2 Length of Peak 1975-85 = 10 years = 6 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +3 ability to get over in multiple markets (Mid-South, JCP, AWA, LA, Japan, Mexico) Ability to work different styles / roles = 8 Variety = 3 27 'Gentleman' Chris Adams Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 1/3 = 5 Intangibles 1 Great matches 3 Length of Peak 1982-87 = 5 years = 3 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +1 ability to work gimmick matches +3 ability to get over in multiple markets (WoS, LA, WCCW, Mid-South, WCW) Ability to work different styles / roles = 7 Variety = 5 24 Chris Jericho Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 2/3 = 6 Intangibles 5 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1997-2009 = 12 years = 7 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +1 ability to work gimmick matches +3 ability to get over in multiple markets (Mexico, Japan, ECW, WCW, WWF) Ability to work different styles / roles = 7 Variety = 6 35 CM Punk Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 2/3 = 6 Intangibles 5 Great matches 5 Length of Peak 2002-2013 = 11 years = 7 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (indies, ROH, TNA, WWE) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 8 37 'Mr. Perfect' Curt Hennig Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 1/3 (+1 for signature bumps) = 6 Intangibles 3 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1983-1991 = 8 years = 5 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (AWA, WWF, WCW) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 7 31 Daniel Bryan Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for sheer violence) = 10 Intangibles 4 Great matches 8 Length of Peak 2002-2015 = 13 years = 8 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (indies, Japan, ROH, WWE) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 10 46 Dan Spivey Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 0/3 = 2 Intangibles 0 Great matches 1 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work tags +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (WWF, WCW, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 4 Variety = 3 10 Davey Boy Smith Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 1/3 0/3 = 4 Intangibles 4 Great matches 3 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work gimmick matches +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (WoW, Calgary, WWF, WCW) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 6 22 David Von Erich Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 1/3 = 3 Intangibles 0 Great matches 2 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (WCCW, Florida, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 5 15 Dean Malenko Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 2/3 (+1 for being "the man of a 1,000 holds") = 7 Intangibles 0 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1989-2000 = 11 years = 7 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Japan, ECW, WCW, WWF) Ability to work different styles / roles = 4 Variety = 7 29 Dennis Condrey Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 3/3 = 7 Intangibles 6 Great matches 4 Length of Peak 1979-89 = 10 years = 6 +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, AWA, JCP) Ability to work different styles / roles = 2 Variety = 5 30 Diamond Dallas Page Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 1/3 = 4 Intangibles 3 Great matches 2 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work gimmick matches Ability to work different styles / roles = 2 Variety = 3 14 The Destroyer Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 3/3 = 7 Intangibles 5 Great matches 5 Length of Peak 1969-79 = 10 years = 6 +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (AWA, Japan, Canada) Ability to work different styles / roles = 3 Variety = 4 30 Dick Slater Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 2/3 = 6 Intangibles 1 Great matches 3 Length of Peak 1977-87 = 10 years = 6 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +3 ability to get over in multiple markets (Florida, GCW, JCP, Mid-South, WWF, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 4 26 "The Magnificent" Don Muraco Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 1/3 0/3 = 3 Intangibles 3 Great matches 2 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Florida, LA, WWF) Ability to work different styles / roles = 4 Variety = 5 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 That means Styles will go pretty high for you, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 'Goldust' Dustin Rhodes Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 2/3 = 7 Intangibles 4 Great matches 5 Length of Peak 1992-2010 = 18 years = 10 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Golddust") Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 9 40 Dusty Rhodes Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 2/3 = 4 Intangibles 9 Great matches 3 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +1 ability to work technical matches +3 ability to get over in multiple markets (Floirda, GCW, WWF, JCP, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 8 Variety = 7 31 Dutch Mantell Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 2/3 = 5 Intangibles 3 Great matches 2 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Puerto Rico, GCW, Mid-South) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 3 19 Eddie Gilbert Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 0/3 3/3 2/3 = 5 Intangibles 2 Great matches 2 Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Mid-South, JCP) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 4 18 Greg 'The Hammer' Valentine Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 = 9 Intangibles 1 Great matches 6 Length of Peak 1975-86 = 11 years = 7 +1 ability to work babyface +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (JCP, WWF, Japan) Ability to work different styles / roles = 5 Variety = 7 35 Hiroshi Hase Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for northern lights suplex) = 10 Intangibles 7 Great matches 5 Length of Peak 1989-99 = 10 years = 6 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work brawls +1 ability to get over in multiple markets (NJPW, AJPW, WCW) Ability to work different styles / roles = 4 Variety = 6 38 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Brock Lesnar's "peak" score seems rather spurious, considering there's at least a five year gap in which he didn't wrestle (disregarding a contentious BitW claim while working Japan). I don't wish that sentence to sound dismissive, and I realise it comes across as antagonistic due to its poor wording on my part, but I'm genuinely intrigued at how the rating came to be. Does your definition of "might realistically be considered" take into account the possibility of "what if"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 No, it's just a level of granular detail I can't really go into and a known problem. Other beneficaries of this quirk include Terry Funk, who does not have every break back to the ranch factored in and Ricky Steamboat who does not have time being pussywhipped by Bonnie factored in. The main guys who get screwed on that rating are older guys who we have footage of in the 1970s but who started their careers in the early 60s. If you notice I start ALL of them from 1969 because we have such limited footage from the 1960s. Victims of this include Inoki, Baba, The Destroyer and Dory. Nothing to be done really. Think of the ratings as "back of the paper napkin" calculations to help me rank rather than anything more grandiose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 How high do you think that 40 will get Dustin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 By the looks of things exactly 1 place below Vader and 2 places below Bret Hart. I think Top 30 is probably a safe bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Akira Taue Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 3/3 (+1 for "sense of danger") = 8 Intangibles 4 Great matches 10 Length of Peak 1991-00 = 9 years = 6 I have no idea on what basis are you cutting off Taue's peak at 2000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Argue for a later cut off point and I'll probably give it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Taue is a weird one for me because I think there are probably plenty of years where he wasn't a top thirty guy. But really that's true for so many guys you've given those inbetween years it seems silly to make an exception of Taue. I'd say giving him at least until 2003/04 would be a given and an argument could be made for 2006 as that's when he had great matches vs Akiyama and Marufuji and a high profile tag vs. TAKEOVER alongside some fun undercard stuff. There are still some fun matches after that point but the 2007 match vs. Misawa is cleary them working through their physical limitations, even if I did think it was a great match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 2004 seems about fair. So I'll change that now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Does Longevity have to be contiguous? Dustin, for instance, was excellent from 2009 to 2014, but wasn't for a number of years previous. That's just an example. it'd seem to fit with Taue maybe from what people are saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 By the looks of things exactly 1 place below Vader and 2 places below Bret Hart. I think Top 30 is probably a safe bet. With the extra years, Taue now joins these guys on 40 and leapfrogs both Dustin and Vader by virtue of his B (and G) ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Does Longevity have to be contiguous? Dustin, for instance, was excellent from 2009 to 2014, but wasn't for a number of years previous. That's just an example. it'd seem to fit with Taue maybe from what people are saying? Dustin is a 10 no matter which way round we do it, so it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Does Longevity have to be contiguous? Dustin, for instance, was excellent from 2009 to 2014, but wasn't for a number of years previous. That's just an example. it'd seem to fit with Taue maybe from what people are saying? Dustin is a 10 no matter which way round we do it, so it doesn't matter. That was just a general clarification question with the best example I could think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 The L rating has problems that I've known about from the start. I think the main thing is that you can immediately see from a distance that Dustin's case is boosted by longevity and by the inevitable variety that goes along with that. And you can see from a distance that he's not going to threaten the big boys cos he's hurt by his great matches rating. You can be strong in 2 or 3 things, and it will get you so far, but the GWE must be strong in all 6. My main aim in doing this has been to eliminate the vagaries of "sentiment". Whether it is good feeling or bad feeling. That's why fucking Antonio Inoki is probably going to sneak in my bottom 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Daniel Bryan Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for sheer violence) = 10 Intangibles 4 Great matches 8 Length of Peak 2002-2015 = 13 years = 8 +1 ability to work heel +1 ability to work tags +1 ability to work gimmick matches +1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion +2 ability to get over in multiple markets (indies, Japan, ROH, WWE) Ability to work different styles / roles = 6 Variety = 9 I'd say there is no chance Bryan doesn't have at least 30 memorable opponents. (I'll come up with a list if someone else more enthusiastic about 2000 indies doesn't) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Before you do, it's first worth asking the question : "on a scale where Ric Flair is a 10 for variety, should Bryan also be worth a 10?" If we legit think the answer is yes, go ahead and name the 30. If we think no then I'll leave things as are, or else move the bar up again to 40 opponents which would likely bump Terry Funk down to a 9 and everyone else down one again. Serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Childs Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I do think Bryan stands out as a guy who had good to great matches with almost every significant indy worker of the last 15 years and with a good portion of the significant WWE workers as well. In a sense, he was the touring ace of the indies, and while I wouldn't equate that with being NWA champion, there were some similarities. So I'd at least consider giving him the same grade as Flair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOTNW Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Before you do, it's first worth asking the question : "on s scale where Ric Flair is a 10 for variety, should Bryan also be worth a 10?" If we legit think the answer is yes, go ahead and name the 30. Even if I did think of Flair as highly as you do my answer would still be yes. In fact I'm kind of surprised no one's compared the two that much since Danielson really is the closest you'll get to a touring champion consistently producing long, great matches in an era where wrestling works so differently. 1.Triple H 2.Randy Orton 3.John Cena 4.CM Punk 5.Sheamus 6.Dolph Ziggler (the match you weren't crazy about was voted MOTY in a WWE poll but they had like 3 other matches I liked as much and some of them almost certainly more) 7.Cesaro 8.Ryback 9.Big Show (Bryan is one of the only guys who knew how to work to his strenghts) 10.Mark Henry (ditto) 11.Wade Barrett 12.Seth Rollins/Tyler Black 13.Roman Reigns 14.Dean Ambrose (no singles match IIRC but a billion tags) 15.Bray Wyatt 16.Luke Harper 17.William Regal 18.The Miz That's just his WWE run. Not to mention I could still give him stuff from that run alone (he had a really good short match vs. Great Khali on NXT. The Great Khali doesn't have a lot of good matches.) And I'm sure others will probably think of something I haven't. 19.KENTA 20.Chris Hero 21.Lance Storm 22.Munenori Sawa 23.Nigel McGuinness 24.SHINGO 25.Roderick Strong 26.Low Ki 27.AJ Styles 28.Katsuhiko Nakajima 29.Takeshi Morishima 30.Super Dragon Done. And many more could be named. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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