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I'll give you the cold hard figures Steven.

 

Big Boss Man 6 4 3 0 5 6 24

John Tenta 4 6 0 0 4 6 20

One Man Gang 4 3 1 0 6 4 18

 

No room for any of your soppy vegetarian Canadian sentiment here my friend.

At least 2 of these three are making my list, maybe all three. Bossman may make it into the illustrious 1-94 spot, which means he deserves to be there.

 

I'll have to look at the full figures for Bossman, since you probably are under rating him.

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I will consider moving the V rating up, his score did seem too low. And since he's in danger of falling off, I want to do what I can to keep him on.

 

As a benchmark, Jack Brisco has an I rating of 3 and is probably the most natural babyface I can think of. Do you see Grey on par with him for intangibles?

 

I wouldn't see him getting above that, too bland really. It's only just occurred to me that the I-rating has a natural tendancy to be more generous to heels, but what can ya do? Heels are cooler than babyfaces.

 

Well, at least we saved Grey, which is the most important thing, but I still think that intangibles rating is unfair. Grey is one of the most naturally likable wrestlers ever. He comes across as the ultimate do-gooder without being a complete turn off. How many babyfaces can you say that about? To me that takes as much x-factor as the most hated of heels because believe me, there were plenty of guys on WoS whose gimmick was essentially that they were a nice bloke and few of them had Grey's lasting appeal. And when he was pissed, he could fire up like the best of them. He was Tito Santana when it came to babyface outrage. That skill alone should give him a boost. Grey for president!

 

These are listed under ability in your first post:

 

+ 1 ability to carry lesser opponents

+ 1 ability to adapt to opponent's style

 

Have you ditched them since?

 

Not sure if matters, or how you'd feel about it, but the British guys also toured far out places like Africa, India and the Middle East. Does that count as getting over in other territories?

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Not yet for Fujiwara.

 

I don't know why I've held off on the Buddy Rose rating, but here goes.

 

Buddy Rose

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for rope running) = 9

Intangibles 7

Great matches 6

Length of Peak 1977-87 = 10 years = 6

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work brawls

+1 ability to work as ace / carry a promotion

+2 ability to get over in multiple markets (PNW, WWF, Hawaii, San Francisco, AWA)

 

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 7

 

Variety = 9

 

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Was wondering if you've done a BIGLAV for Art Barr. The guy may have been the best heel in the world for the last 2 years of his life. Eddie is a 37, so going by that where does Barr place seeing as how during their run he was the better of the two, yet his career was cut so short which would impact his G,L, and V. I'm having a hard time in general placing the guys who had short careers, ie Barr, Magnum, David Von Erich, Gino, etc

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Pretty tragic, but I do not believe that Garvin can be saved.

 

To do list (not including possible Joshi workers):

 

Akira Maeda

Batista

Doug Somers

Dynamite Kid

Gino Hernandez

Haku

Raymond Rougeau

Rick Steiner

Ricky Fuyuki

Ricky Morton

Riki Choshu

Rob Van Dam

Scott Steiner

Sean Waltman

Tarzan Goto

Tatsumi Fujinami

The Mountie

The Rock

Tiger Mask

Tito Santana

Tommy Rich

Tommy Rogers

Tony Garea

Too Cold Scorpio

Tor Kamata

Toru Tanaka

Toshiaki Kawada

Triple H

Tsuyoshi Kikuchi

William Regal

Yokozuna

Yoshiaki Fujiwara

Yoshihiro Tajiri

Zoltan Boscik

 

These are the last people who will receive ratings.

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Mark Henry

 

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 2/3 = 5

Intangibles 4

Great matches 2

Length of Peak 2005-13 = 8 years = 5

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Sexual Chocolate")

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 8

 

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Quick Bobby Eaton re-do:

 

 

Bobby Eaton

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 +1 (for innovation) = 10

Intangibles 2

Great matches 7

Length of Peak 1983-92 = 9 years = 6

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work singles

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work a different gimmick ("Blue Bloods")

+1 ability to work brawls

+3 ability to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Mid-South, WCW, SMW, indies, Japan)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 8

 

Variety = 8

 

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Quick Barry Windham re-do:

 

Barry Windham

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for float-over suplex) = 10

Intangibles 3

Great matches 6

Length of Peak 82-93 = 11 years = 7

 

+1 ability to work heel

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work brawls

+1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Blackjack Windham")

+2 ability to get over in multiple markets (Florida, JCP, WWF, Canada, Central States, Japan)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 7

 

Variety = 8

 

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So based on the "Bubble Watch", Henry is just above the relegation zone? That's pretty cool, esp as I seem to recall you weren't big on Henry.

There are lots of workers making my list who I literally hate.

 

Henry I'm just a bit indifferent on. He scored better than Bossman and One Man Gang, which is one of advantage of working in an era in which you're having competitive TV matches every week.

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Incidentally, these "re-do's" of Eaton and Windham aren't attempts to save them, they are bringing those ratings into line with all of the others in the interests of consistency.

 

Eaton and Windham were two of the very first ratings I gave out, and I think the system has become more lenient over time, so like, y'know if I'm giving Henry some of those Raw and SD matches, Windham is getting stuff like that Regal match which I wasn't giving him before.

 

The benchmarks for the "V category" have slackened since this thing began and guys like Eaton and Windham were getting short-changed. And no way those guys should be geting out-scored by Mick Foley or Owen Hart, just isn't right. So I fixed it.

 

I'm much happier with Eaton and Windham in their new positions.

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Batista

 

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 2/3 = 4

Intangibles 6

Great matches 2

Length of Peak [never one of the best in world] = 0

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 3

 

Variety = 7

 

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Doug Somers

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 2/3 = 7

Intangibles 1

Great matches 2

Length of Peak 1986-7 = 2 years = 2

 

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

 

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 2

 

Variety = 4

 

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Dynamite Kid

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 0/3 (+1 for snap suplex) = 7

Intangibles 3

Great matches 4

Length of Peak 1980-7 = 7 years = 5

 

+1 ability to work heel

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to get over in multiple markets (England, Calgary, WWF, Japan)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 7

 

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Gino Hernandez

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 2/3 = 6

Intangibles 3

Great matches 3

Length of Peak 1979-82 = 3 years = 2

 

+1 abiltiy to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Detroit, Texas, Southwest, Japan)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 6

 

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Haku

 

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 2/3 1/3 = 6

Intangibles 3

Great matches 1

Length of Peak 197 = 3 years = 2

 

+1 abiltiy to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work "hardcore" style

+2 ability to get over in multiple markets (Japan, Canda, WWF, WCW, Mexico, indies)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 6

 

Variety = 6

 

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Raymond Rougeau

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 2/3 = 6

Intangibles 1

Great matches 1

Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0

 

+1 abiltiy to work heel

+1 ability to work tags

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 2

 

Variety = 5

 

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Rick Steiner

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 1/3 0/3 (+1 for belly-to-belly suplex) = 5

Intangibles 3

Great matches 5

Length of Peak 1989-94 = 5 years = 3

 

+1 ability to work heel

+1 ability to work singles

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+3 ability to get over in multiple markets (AWA, WCW, WWF, NJPW, AJPW, TNA, indies)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 6

 

Variety = 8

 

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Ricky Fuyuki

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 1/3 = 5

Intangibles 3

Great matches 4

Length of Peak 1988-89 = 2 years = 2

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 3

 

Variety = 6

 

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Ricky Morton

 

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for defining the role of FIP) = 8

Intangibles 5

Great matches 6

Length of Peak 1983-93 = 10 years = 6

 

+1 ability to work heel

+1 ability to work singles

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work a different gimmick ("Richard Morton")

+3 ability to get over in multple markets (Memphis, JCP, Mid-South, AWA, ECW, SMW, Japan, indies)

 

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 7

 

Variety = 9

 

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Riki Choshu

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 3/3 = 7

Intangibles 10

Great matches = 8

Length of Peak 1983-97 = 14 years = 8

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work brawls

+1 ability to get over in multple markets (NJPW, AJPW, indies)

 

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 5

 

Variety = 9

 

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Rob Van Dam

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 0/3 = 4

Intangibles 4

Great matches = 3

Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0

 

+1 ability to work heel

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to get over in multple markets (Japan, ECW, WWE, TNA, indies)

 

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 7

 

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Scott Steiner

 

 

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 2/3 0/3 (+1 for innovation) = 6

Intangibles 3

Great matches 5

Length of Peak 1990-94 = 4 years = 3

 

+1 ability to work heel

+1 ability to work singles

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to get over in different gimmicks ("Big Poppa Pump")

+3 ability to get over in multiple markets (AWA, WCW, WWF, NJPW, AJPW, TNA, indies)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 7

 

Variety = 7

 

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Sean Waltman

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 2/3 = 6

Intangibles 3

Great matches 2

Length of Peak 1991-01 = 10 years = 6

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to get over in different gimmicks ("123 Kid", "X-Pac")

+1 ability to get over in multiple markets (WWF, WCW, TNA, indies)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 5

 

Variety = 8

 

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Tarzan Goto

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 1/3 1/3 = 5

Intangibles 3

Great matches 3

Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] 0

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work hardcore style

+1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Puerto Rico, AJPW, FMW)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 5

 

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Tatsumi Fujinami

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 = 9

Intangibles 7

Great matches 9

Length of Peak 1980-1991 = 11 years = 7

 

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work brawls

+1 ability to work junior style

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 10

 

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The Mountie

 

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 2/3 = 4

Intangibles 2

Great matches 1

Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0

 

+1 abiltiy to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Jacques Rougeau")

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 6

 

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The Rock

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 2/3 = 5

Intangibles 10

Great matches 2

Length of Peak [never one of the best in the world] = 0

 

+1 abiltiy to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Rocky Mavia")

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 7

 

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Tiger Mask

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 2/3 0/3 (+1 for innovation) = 5

Intangibles 4

Great matches 3

Length of Peak 1981-83 = 2 years = 2

 

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work a different gimmick ("Super Tiger", "Sayama")

+1 ability to get over in multiple markets (NJPW, WWF, UWF)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 7

 

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Tito Santana

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for working undercard matches as if his life depended on it) = 8

Intangibles 4

Great matches 4

Length of Peak 1982-90 = 8 years = 5

 

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work a different gimmick ("El Matador")

+1 ability to get over in multiple markets (Amarillo, AWA, WWF)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 4

 

Variety = 8

 

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Tommy Rich

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 2/3 = 7

Intangibles 4

Great matches 2

Length of Peak 1980-87 = 7 years = 5

 

+1 ability to work heel

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work a different gimmick ("Thomas Rich")

+1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion

+2 ability to get over in multiple markets (GCW, Memphis, WCW, ECW, indies)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 7

 

Variety = 5

 

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Tommy Rogers

 

 

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 3/3 3/3 = 8

Intangibles 2

Great matches 4

Length of Peak 1982-90 = 8 years = 5

 

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work singles matches

+3 abilty to get over in multiple markets (Memphis, Southwest, Mid-South, JCP, Japan)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 5

 

Variety = 5

 

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Tony Garea

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 2/3 3/3 = 6

Intangibles 2

Great matches 1

Length of Peak [never one of the best in world] = 0

 

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work singles matches

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 2

 

Variety = 9

 

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Tor Kamata

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 0/3 2/3 (+1 "agility for a big man") = 5

Intangibles 3

Great matches 0

Length of Peak [never one of the best in world] = 0

 

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+3 ability to get over in multiple markets (every territory, Japan)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 5

 

Variety = 5

 

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Toru Tanaka

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 1/3 2/3 = 5

Intangibles 3

Great matches 0

Length of Peak [never one of the best in world] = 0

 

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+3 ability to get over in multiple markets (Florida, LA, Memphis, WWF, GCW, JCP, WCCW, Japan, Puerto Rico)

 

Ability to work different styles / roles = 5

 

Variety = 6

 

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Toshiaki Kawada

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 3/3 3/3 3/3 (+1 for "opportunism" = 10

Intangibles 7

Great matches 10

Length of Peak 1989-2005 = 16 years = 9

 

+1 ability to work babyface

+1 ability to work tags

 

Ability to work different styles / roles rating = 1

 

Variety = 10

 

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Triple H

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 2/3 1/3 1/3 = 4

Intangibles 3

Great matches 4

Length of Peak 1998-2002 = 4 years = 3

 

+1 ability to work babyface [LMAO!]

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work different gimmicks ("Hunter Hurst Helmsley" (blueblood variant)

+1 ability to work as ace / carry promotion [ROFL!]

 

Ability to work different styles / roles rating = 5

 

Variety = 9

 

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Tsuyoshi Kikuchi

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 3/3 2/3 = 6

Intangibles 2

Great matches 7

Length of Peak 1991-96 = 5 years = 3

 

+1 ability to work singles

 

Ability to work different styles / roles rating = 1

 

Variety = 6

 

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Yokozuna

 

Basic (offense, selling, psychology) 1/3 1/3 2/3 (+1 agility for a 600lber!) = 5

Intangibles 5

Great matches 2

Length of Peak 1992-96 = 4 years = 3

 

+1 ability to work tags

+1 ability to work gimmick matches

+1 ability to work a different gimmick ("Great Kokina")

 

Ability to work different styles / roles rating = 3

 

Variety = 6

 

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