joeg Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 So who wants to handicap the outcomes of LA Park's matches this summer? I've got him showing up to Triplemania at 1 to 2. Losing his mask at Triplemania at 10 to 1. I've got the Mask vs Hair match with Rush happening at even money. And I've got him losing his mask to Rush at 5 to 3. Sound about right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted July 7, 2018 Report Share Posted July 7, 2018 Pentagon joined with CMLL and now seems to be feuding with Caristico while Terrible & Rush want his blood. Wagner Jr's said his time with AAA is up and he'll gladly jump to CMLL if they call. CMLL is becoming quite the dream match promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 There's a stacked CMLL card tonight, including LA Park/Phoenix/Penta vs Rush/Briscoes. I've got kids to juggle and what not, but I'll be at least 2/3rds watching once it gets going. Anyone else want to try out the chatbox while it's on as a group watching experiment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 CMLL seems to be really hedging their bets. They gave every impression Rush/Park is still on, but they announced the ticket prices for the Anniversary show and they are way lower than you would expect for a show with that match as the main. Cubsfan seems to think CMLL is afraid either AAA or Park is going to pull the rug out from them at Triplemania, but I don't see Park losing his mask in a random four way, even if it is at a big show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 The question is who can give Park more for his Mask? With what tickets are priced at the anniversary show I’d think AAA would be able to give more. It’s a bigger arena and tickets are priced higher. His mask probably goes for 200k +. Can CMLL afford that if they are bringing in a 700k gate for the anniversary show? How much is Rush’s hair? Probably 30k, maybe less? With those ticket prices would Rush be losing his hair instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 This is true, Wagner apparently got the highest payoff ever for a mask match so AAA isn't afraid to break the piggy bank, but that was also in a straight up one on one match as well. The Alonso family has the means to give Park whatever amount he's asking, but the question is will they. Normally the answer to that would be no, but this is a strange new world we're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Wagner made a little over $250k for losing his mask off a $625k gate for Triplemania. It should be noted that AAA was banking on a $1 million gate, but all the false advertising they had done during the year ended up biting them in the ass. Regardless, it's pretty much impossible for CMLL to go out of business, so they can pay whatever it takes to seal the deal within reason, especially if it means cockblocking AAA. I guess there's concerns about upsetting the salary structure, but the recent Park-driven business upswing has meant more money in everyone's pockets, so I don't think that'll be an issue. As for Rush, his hair is probably the most valuable prize in lucha other than the masks of Santo, Park, and Atlantis, so his asking price would be way more than $30k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 I assumed Rush's hair would be in line with Sombra's mask or Volador Jr's mask. I had heard they each got around 30k. What is the formula for determining how much a mask or hair is worth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Basically the longer someone goes without losing their mask/hair, the more valuable it becomes. There's also the factor of star power, someone like Rush has been at or near the top for a while, so that plus him never losing his hair before drives the price up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMPunk Posted August 5, 2018 Report Share Posted August 5, 2018 On 8/4/2018 at 1:55 AM, Matt D said: There's a stacked CMLL card tonight, including LA Park/Phoenix/Penta vs Rush/Briscoes. I've got kids to juggle and what not, but I'll be at least 2/3rds watching once it gets going. Anyone else want to try out the chatbox while it's on as a group watching experiment? Would have loved to if not for the UK time difference, maybe the Anniversary show? Friday was my favourite wrestling card of the year, really hope we get Park/Rush headlining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 Now there's this: Naturally, people are up in arms over CMLL bringing in Okada (even billing him as the best wrestler in the world) and sticking him in a throwaway semifinal trios match while Bestia del Ring is in the main event. CMLL gonna CMLL, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rah Posted August 12, 2018 Report Share Posted August 12, 2018 How much of a draw is Okada, though? Will he move tickets relative to a main event level? Apparently Matt Tavern is a great draw so who knows with the local fans. Not sure what else they could do here. An Okada singles would most likely stink with the exception of a couple names. They're definitely not having him pin Rush (Rush may have got the win on Nakamura back in 2013 but I don't see that happening twice with someone as high as Okada). Exhibition trios lets Okada hit all his cool spots and get the pin on Valiente (most likely with Mistico/Caristico shenanigans) so everyone wins by means of everyone really losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2018 So what can only be described as Vintage CMLL, Park vs Rush will not be on the Anniversary show after months of build. They did an angle where Rush is claiming the fans in the building want him to face Volador (spoiler alert: they don't) and it's only the fans on social media that won't buy tickets that want the Park match. The funny thing is all the publicity he got from being on CMLL shows made it financially unwise for Park to do the match since he was surely going to lose. So CMLL revitalized Park's career and won't end up being able to fully capitalize on it. They got some bigger houses for weekly Arena Mexico shows, but they ended up building a quarter of AAA's TripleMania main event free of charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2018 I stand corrected, the most Vintage CMLL thing ever was all the stuff above, then announce Rush and Park in separate matches on the Anniversary card because.... *shrug emoji* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Apparently, AAA threatened a lawsuit and CMLL decided it wasn't worth the hassle. That brings into question why they kept using him but I guess it was to get that money. I kinda hope Rush loses his hair at the anniversario show to Matt Taven just for the reactions. That card looks pitiful even by usual CMLL standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Hall Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 Park is also saying Rush backed out, it's all very Lucha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RazorbladeKiss87 Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 I am finally watching the Park/Fenix/Pentagon vs. Rush/Briscoes match, which makes the official anniversary card that much more disappointing. What a brawl. Park's outfit is boss. No matter what I will always have a soft spot for Park. A fat skeleton who brawls? My perfect wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted August 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 After all the fighting AAA did over the Parka gimmick, I thought it was odd they would be okay with him dropping the mask at a CMLL show (although there's a school of thought that if he did finally drop the mask he wouldn't be going around rubbing it in their faces that he's the original guy). What's scummy is it appears AAA said this in June and CMLL still went on promoting as if the match was happening until about a week or so ago. People on Twitter pretty much did the "hand on chin thinking emoji" when the ticket prices were announced and they clearly weren't scaled to a Rush vs Park level, but the company continued to run matches to make the fans think it was still happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted August 23, 2018 Report Share Posted August 23, 2018 On the bright side, they did say the feud was going to continue, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KawadaSmile Posted August 26, 2018 Report Share Posted August 26, 2018 Fuck it. If anyone were to say L.A. Park is the greatest wrestler ever, I wouldn't argue at all. Will be insane to see his jump in the next PWOGWE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeg Posted August 28, 2018 Report Share Posted August 28, 2018 I think if were to do the GWE again I'd have Park as my top luchador. So that would put him at like #7 or #8. I had him as my like 10th luchador at like #92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted August 29, 2018 Report Share Posted August 29, 2018 Between Park's resurgence and Villano III benefiting from the death bump, I think this will be the year the WON HOF lucha logjam finally breaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 9:46 PM, Zoo Enthusiast said: Someone needs to book LA Park vs PCO. Ask and ye shall receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted September 2, 2018 Report Share Posted September 2, 2018 I'm thinking about going to that MLW show, but waiting to see what else is announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted September 3, 2018 Report Share Posted September 3, 2018 17 hours ago, NintendoLogic said: Ask and ye shall receive. Fuck yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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