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[kjh]

From Dave Meltzer, TNA's Florida competitors may have one up on them in the Herb Abrams level stakes:

 

Ron Niemi, a Florida manager, wrote very negatively about the prospects of the group we've been calling the Sean Davis project. He called Pete Karoftis "hands down...one of the biggest misfits that I have ever run across in this business."

He also questioned the risk of using Sean Waltman after he couldn't get licensed in Missouri over testing positive for Hepatitis C and TNA wouldn't use him any longer, and also listed the names Scott Hall and Kevin Nash as being part of the group. Mister Saint Laurent, who is handling talent, was in the "Last Call with Scott Hall" episodes and the two are in contact but I don't know that Hall is targeted for being part of the group. Nash is under contract with TNA but at the end of the day, Nash is probably going to judge the lay of the land and make the right move for Nash. Another name that has been mentioned to us as being involved is Larry Zbyszko, which makes sense in that he's tight with the same people.

Nothing says "cutting edge" and "innovative" like immediately signing all the aging relics that are your friends.

[rovert]

This current TNA shitstorm and Dixie's Youshoot is about to be released. What a PR disaster here.

[jdw]

Other than for a quick, monster payout, why would Heyman bother working for such an idiot?

 

John

[MikeCampbell]

PWInsider posted several newsbits regarding TNA's version of One Night Stand. Some of the more interesting things reported:

 

- There was a different plan for the PPV until Dreamer pitched this idea to Dixie Carter and she went along with it.

- Dreamer has been given total control over the show.

- Shane Douglas wants to wrestle Ric Flair

- TNA hopes to have RVD vs. Jerry Lynn headline the show.

- One talent, who has been off of TV for years, is refusing to come in unless he is was granted a multi-year contract by TNA.

 

I'm at a loss for who the unnamed talent in the last newsbit is. Anyone have any guesses?

[KrisZ]

JT Smith?

[rovert]

Id put major money on Kid Kash

[artDDP]

JT Smith?

LOL!

[Dylan Waco]

I'm guessing Hack Myers may be signed to the rival company in Fla so I doubt he's the talent in question.

[Death From Above]

- Shane Douglas wants to wrestle Ric Flair

Please tell me that Douglas wants to bet his whole salary for the year on what kind of a rating this will draw. Again.

[Sean Liska]

Jason Powell claims that Dixie just recently saw the Heyman interview with Dave and Bryan (the one from right after the Lesnar fight, I guess). And she's since been in a foul mood.

I thought that may be interesting. He flat out said that doing a better job of marketing TNA's product wouldn't help, because you'd still be marketing "shit", to use his term.

[goc]

This current TNA shitstorm and Dixie's Youshoot is about to be released. What a PR disaster here.

How can you have a PR disaster when you have no presence outside of the internet?

[Tim Evans]

I'm guessing Hack Myers may be signed to the rival company in Fla so I doubt he's the talent in question.

Hack works for Dory Funk's promotion in Ocala.

[Log]

This current TNA shitstorm and Dixie's Youshoot is about to be released. What a PR disaster here.

How can you have a PR disaster when you have no presence outside of the internet?

 

Yeah, you have to have a public in order to have public relations.

[Guest kidd]

I recently conducted an interview for website GuysNation.com with Michael Kingston creator of pro wrestling comic Headlocked to promote his upcoming convention appearances.

 

 

http://www.guysnation.com/interview-with-h...ichael-kingston

[MikeCampbell]

Was there anything from Yujiro and Naito's run in CMLL last year that anyone here would recommend checking out? Stuart was pimping them as fucking great heels when they came back to Japan, but I'd long ago learned that Stu views anything related to NJPW with rose colored glasses. Still, the anti-Mexico gimmick sounds like a lot of fun.

[Tim Evans]

The matches vs Terrible and Texano were pretty good. Stu is right about them turning into great rudos as they mostly teamed with Okumura and Villano V.

[sek69]

I may have asked this before, but was there a reason Villano V was unmasked? I thought that would have been one of the guys who would keep the mask forever. IV and V worked in WCW so I would imagine they would be OK financially, so I don't see money being a reason. I guess the only masks truly off limits are Santo and guys who would never agree to lose like Canek or Mascaras.

 

Speaking of Mascaras, I wonder how he and Dos Sr. feel about Dos Jr. working in WWE maskless. Maybe they can just pretend it's not him since he's using a different name like Villano IV did in WCW.

[rovert]

Dave Scherer is threatening to shut down the PWInsider message board over people not liking the final segment of Impact.

[ohtani's jacket]

I may have asked this before, but was there a reason Villano V was unmasked? I thought that would have been one of the guys who would keep the mask forever. IV and V worked in WCW so I would imagine they would be OK financially, so I don't see money being a reason. I guess the only masks truly off limits are Santo and guys who would never agree to lose like Canek or Mascaras.

Not sure why you thought Villano V would never unmask considering his brother did and he was a far bigger star. CMLL kind of booked themselves into a corner where Villano should've lost his mask to Blue Panther but they pulled a serve and then Villano lost to the guy who probably should've taken Panther's mask in the first place, Ultimo Guerrero. It's difficult to say for sure, but it probably had more to do with booking than money, though the loser of a mask match always gets a fair payoff.

[Bix]

Dave Scherer is threatening to shut down the PWInsider message board over people not liking the final segment of Impact.

C&P if available please.

[rovert]

Dave Scherer is threatening to shut down the PWInsider message board over people not liking the final segment of Impact.

C&P if available please.

 

Frankly there is too much to quote so here is the crude crib notes version:

 

Have you seen cutrer's article on F4WOnline well that was originally a post on the PWI message board post here:

 

Ok I just have to say that I've been a wrestling fan for over 25 years.

 

In my 25 years I have never seen anything as pathetic, embarrassing, nonsensical, vomit inducing, mind boggling, self serving, or masturbatory as that final segment.

 

That segment did more to kill the legacy of ECW than anything Vince Mcmahon every did with it. It made them look like a big bunch of losers who can't get over the past and if they don't get their way they'll cry until they do.

 

Let's talk of closure a bit. Ok he flat out stated he had closure after the first ONS. So why do you need it again? Ok Vince decided to use the ECW name to create another brand and tv show. Aside from using the same name it had nothing to do with the original ECW so why need any closure at all? In 5 years if WWE goes under and someone buys the ECW name and rights to it and reopen it but it sucks and gets shut down is Dreamer going to need another ECW pity party PPV called ECW I BEG OF YOU 2015?

 

Oh and I would be remiss if I didn't mention how not only ECW but TNA as well just got buried in that segment. Yeah lets tell everyone how much better another promotion was and it was so much better that it gets it's own PPV. Sorry but when you go as far as putting on a PPV when you're business is going down the tubes for a company that your competition owns then something aint right. Hey how about focusing on TNA and all the great workers that helped build your company? Is the company in bad shape right now? Of course but don't take that out on your loyal employees that Dixie claims are her "family". It isn't the fault of all of those guys your company is in the shape it's in, they just go by what you tell them to do. Just by doing this show it's like you're saying ECW was the greatest thing ever, it was better than TNA, and so we want it brought back. What it tells me is you have a bunch of failures as pro wrestlers that were so bad that they can't work within another organization and can only be worth anything when they're under the ECW banner. I mean just say you suck as a pro wrestler while you're at it. Eh I guess that's someone elses fault you have limitations. And stop telling me how great and special ECW was. When you keep talking about how great it was then people start to hate it because you keep telling them that.

 

Oh and someone explain the apparent injustice of watching his friends get fired to me. Why does this bother you? Were they all unjustly fired? It's the wrestling business, big whoop a pal of yours got canned, why is that such a big deal to you to where you're crying?

 

Dixie-"this isn't my promo this is me being real ok?"

 

Dixie-"what Hulk Hogan meant to the 80's I really feel like you guys meant to the 90's"

 

This segment was the epitome of LOLTNA.

One poster agreed with it and suggested that it should be on PWI front page. He was banned.

 

Cue Dave Sherer returning from a self imposed absense from the board:

1) We don't post rants and raves on the website. Never have, never will. We have the message board for that and people take full advantage of it.

 

2) Even if we did post rants, the first line alone kills any credibility that the one in question has. Anyone who has watched for 25 years and says that last night's angle was worse than Hogan in the Dungeon, Davey Boy and Sting being blown up by a midget, Mark Henry and Sammy, and a host of other things has no credibility with me. To say last night's angle was worse than that shows me it's just a bias thing and that has no place on our main site. As an editor, I would never run anything that I know is just wrong.

 

But hey, feel free to go back to hating. I am not even saying that people should have liked the segment, but when I read the vitriol I see here, I just can't help but think that some of you just hate TNA no matter what they do and I just can't take it seriously.

 

And just to prove that there are some other people that liked the angle, look at the current results of the poll Mike posted yesterday. There is at least a broad mix of opinion there. After you see, go back to your regularly scheduled hatefest. It's such fun.

 

How Do You Feel about the ECW Reunion Theme at TNA Hardcore Justice? (223 votes)

 

It's a great idea. Can't wait for the show! - 74 votes (33.2%)

It's an OK idea, but something unique. I like it. - 28 votes (12.6%)

Eh. I am taking a wait and see attitude on this one. - 32 votes (14.3%)

I want to see who is booked first before I comment. - 15 votes (6.7%)

It's not 1995 or 2005. Bad idea! - 55 votes (24.7%)

I absolutely hate this idea and would rather see a regular TNA PPV. - 19 votes (8.5%)

"In my 25 years I have never seen anything as pathetic, embarrassing, nonsensical, vomit inducing, mind boggling, self serving, or masturbatory as that final segment."

 

OK, here is a test for all of you that say you aren't haters. Can you really say that the end of last night's show was worse in these respects than Vince Russo putting the WCW Title on himself?

 

If you say last night was worse, then I have serious questions about whether you are trolling here or not.

 

If not, maybe you can see why this over-the-top statement made people email me to say that people are getting out of control here on the board.

 

In any event, I am close to making a decision about the future of the board. A post will be up in a few minutes.

Then he makes a state of the board thread:

It's been a while since I did one of these state of the board posts, but it's time to do one again.

 

As those of you who have been around for an extended period of time are aware, a number of quality posters are not here any more. In most cases, they are still subscribers but they have left the board because of negativity and repetitiveness that often permeates it. They used to come in here and have intelligent conversation but now they are gone. Why? Because there is often a negative vibe that permeates the place.

 

As much as it pains me to say this, looking back on this, I think a big part of the reason this board ran so well is that Jagger Kaye was a heavy handed moderator. Unfortunately, that led to people complaining to me when he pinned a bullseye on them personally, which sadly happened too often.

 

Now, the opposite is happening. The people who feel they are being bullied or who just don't want to post any more because they know they will get hammered just for saying something like they enjoyed the way TNA ended last night are now writing me saying that they feel they aren't being treated fairly here or getting full value from their subscription, even though me go to great lengths to not market this board as part of the site's benefits.

 

Either way, paying subscribers are feeling like they are getting shafted.

 

So, what am I supposed to do? Let the people, like those that hate TNA and run it down in every post, continue to do it? Bring in a moderator to enforce the "don't repeat yourself or be a tool" rule? Or, do I just shut it down? Honestly, right now the last choice is what I want to do.

 

I have asked people not to be overly negative or repeat themselves and that hasn't worked.

 

So, the best ideas I can come up with are these.

 

1) Return to full, Jagger style moderation.

 

2) Create a section where anything goes, and anyone who posts what the staff thinks is negative crap anywhere but that section gets a two week ban on the spot for a first offense with the scale graduating for subsequent offenses.

 

3) Shut the board down.

 

Number three will be the final straw so one or two will probably be what happens. The more I think about it, number two may work. We can call the area The Cesspool and people can enter at their own risk.

 

I welcome thoughts on this but I do not want to hear anyone say that some people here aren't overly negative because they will probably cause me to shut the board down the second that I see it.

Had a look the thread no poster who disliked the show/segment was shouted down and it was all fairly civil/PG compared to 90% of forums discussing Wrestling.

[jdw]

Dave Scherer is threatening to shut down the PWInsider message board over people not liking the final segment of Impact.

[Bix]

That is some really impressive butthurtery.

[kjh]

Does Tommy Dreamer coming to TNA mean Dave Scherer's going to be their house organ from now on?

[rovert]

Does Tommy Dreamer coming to TNA mean Dave Scherer's going to be their house organ from now on?

Well their at the Raw tapings leaks have dried up completely so you would guess so.

 

I thought Sean Waltman going to TNA would be another golden era for the Torch but nothing came of it. In fairness to Wade he called Waltman out of shape and too old for his spot.