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[Jingus]

Have any pro wrestlers ever missed times because of skin infections picked up from the canvas portion of the ring?

Yes. Staph infections are the most common. Foley described in his first book a time when Undertaker caught a nasty case of it. Also, Teddy Hart had a brother who died from a canvas-related staph infection. There are other icky things out there as well; Ed Strangler Lewis caught an eye disease which almost totally blinded him, which was apparently not uncommon in the earlier days.

 

I just found a show on The Comcast Network here called Showtime Allstar Wrestling and it's so southern indy it's awesome. It's apparently booked/owned by Reno Riggins and they run out of Tennessee. The show itself takes place in a bar/billiard room and is sponsored by a bail bond company that runs ads during the show. It's like a weird time warp to southern territory wrestling that somehow got transported to 2010.

You just described every Nashville indy television show from the past decade. (I once hosted a TV interview with an ambulance-chasing attorney who was also our biggest sponsor, and the interview was about him refereeing an upcoming women's mud-wrestling match, and it was all filmed in a closed-down ghetto unisex salon which was across the street from the booker's house.) SAW is just the only one in years which has managed to get syndicated in enough places for some folk to catch onto it. I worked for the company a few times when they first started, before the tapings got going. Also, it saw me possibly make history: I think I might have been the only guy in wrestling history who was in No Condition To Perform due to over-the-counter cough medicine. (Long story.)

 

SAW is run by Reno Riggins with Jerry Jarrett money - or at least it was.

No. If Jarrett ever had any money in it, it certainly wasn't much. Riggins is a real estate investor and landlord, and has enough money to fund the promotion by himself. Jerry occasionally showed up and hung out, but his role there didn't seem to go far beyond a part-time consultant.

 

Maniac Marc Anthony seems to be working an out of control violent brawler gimmick, so he should really have better punches. I did like him going nuts post match and throwing bar stools and bar tables into the ring, chucking a bar stool at the face of the bouncer. It really felt like a drunk redneck fucking up a bar.

I know Marc, and knowing him, it's entirely possible that he was actually fucking up that bar. He's the sort of guy who does occasionally say "fuck it" and does whatever he feels like, regardless of what the booker told him to do. (I once saw him throw a set of benchpress weights at someone, and he chucked about 100 pounds a good 20 feet, if that is any indication.) Considering that SAW was still taping in that building afterwards and didn't get thrown out, it was probably all a planned spot, but sometimes you do have to wonder.

 

My beef is more with people overusing the phrase "coked out", and using it in a way where I can't always figure out if they're just referring to hyperactive behavior or if they're seriously accusing someone of being a cocaine user.

That's true. Most people who use the "coked out" phrase have never actually seen someone doing coke, so it's not like they can be certain what it tends to do to a person.

 

Enough of the Ryder stuff has been corroborated (especially by the "read between the lines" item in the WON about the promo that Road Dogg cut on Ryder backstage once that was implied to be about getting guys pushes for suspect reasons) that I believe it, at least.

What Ryder stuff? I'm not digging through all 500 entries to find it. (And just glancing at it reminded me of how many items on the list were clearly false.)

[Bix]

Learn how to use Ctrl+F.

[sek69]

The thing about the Sleaze Thread at DVDVR is that it got a lot of people to join the board, and a lot of the old timers were pissed that people were starting threads about Jimmy Valiant's shitting habits instead of discussing the latest Japanese indy fed. That led to the mods doing things like banning people for even mentioning it, which of course only increased interest since making things taboo never makes them go away.

 

Also DVDVR was hacked and/or had server issues more than any large message board I can recall. I guess that's what you get when your IT guy was a creep with a Transformers and POV blowjob fetishes.

[Bix]

The board had already been declining steadily for months since Pedogate caused an influx of dumb ROH fans who were freaking out over the official board being shut down.

[KrisZ]

That was the beginning of the downfall indeed plus the fact that a lot of guys just quit caring about wrestling.

[Strummer]

I came on a little later but was DVDVR always this positive towards the WWE?

 

that's one of the reasons I enjoy that board

[Bix]

Yes, on and off. The longest thread in the early history of the board (way back in early-mid 2000) involved the regular posters defending then-current WWF (and especially Triple H) while Jerome bashed it.

[MikeCampbell]

I just finished watching the Dixie Youshoot. She honestly doesn't come off actively bad in it. But she sounds like she's trying to be diplomatic, like she's at a press conference and not taking questions from a bunch of wrestling fanboys.

 

That said, the clip in the trailer where she says that she told the creative team that she'd fire someone else if there was a "Fire Russo" chant is showed in full and isn't as bad as it looked. The context was that the chants always broke out when it was someone else's angle, storyline, whatever, and that's why she told them that.

[rovert]

I just finished watching the Dixie Youshoot. She honestly doesn't come off actively bad in it. But she sounds like she's trying to be diplomatic, like she's at a press conference and not taking questions from a bunch of wrestling fanboys.

 

That said, the clip in the trailer where she says that she told the creative team that she'd fire someone else if there was a "Fire Russo" chant is showed in full and isn't as bad as it looked. The context was that the chants always broke out when it was someone else's angle, storyline, whatever, and that's why she told them that.

Did she mention Abyss's segments written by Dutch Mantel in that?

[MikeCampbell]

No, she doesn't go into specifics about who wrote segments. She rarely did in the interview.

[Loss]

She still doesn't understand that whether or not Russo wrote that specific segment, it's his mindset in play.

[MikeCampbell]

The most hilarious thing she said was when she was asked why Russo was still employed. Because he's a polarizing figure that people either love and hate, and that makes him "a great character."

[Bix]

But...he's...not a character...

[rzombie1988]

What did she say about Alvarez's rant?

[jdw]

My beef is more with people overusing the phrase "coked out", and using it in a way where I can't always figure out if they're just referring to hyperactive behavior or if they're seriously accusing someone of being a cocaine user.

That's true. Most people who use the "coked out" phrase have never actually seen someone doing coke, so it's not like they can be certain what it tends to do to a person.

 

I tend to think it's a waste of time to project what people might have done or seen and their knowledge of such stuff. I've had people think I was stoner years before I ever drank or smoked, and others be utterly surprised finding out decades later how far I went off the bend in college. I was taken back when my mom was surprised on Saturday night that I smoked a ton in college, thinking it was pretty freaking obvious... and editing myself from discussing anything stronger I did. That one off handed comment didn't go over very well, even 23 years after the fact.

 

I find myself doing it as well. I've been gobsmacked several times by friends who grew up in the same era as I did and weren't exactly church going straight edge kids in all *other* aspected of their lives tell me that they've never smoked. And that's just me projecting my own experiances onto other people.

 

We know very little of what any poster has or hasn't done or seen on a board like this, even with a relatively small number of regulars.

 

John

[sek69]

Not saying that it's correct all the time, but considering how widespread cocaine use was in the 80s among people with high incomes plus the usual connection between wrestlers and substances that relieve pain, it's not entirely a stretch to suspect a large amount of pro wrestlers active in the 80s did cocaine. Especially since, you know, a lot of them have admitted they did either directly or wink-wink between the lines style. You don't need to be an MD or have vast personal experiences with cocaine to be able to tell that someone is off their gourd high. I mean, I guess it's possible that Roddy Piper just might have had a lifelong struggle with ADHD, but I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that he just might have been riding the rails once or twice prior to cutting a promo.

[Jingus]

Of course, but that still doesn't excuse some of the assumptions made. Like, how many drinking or drug jokes have you heard about Scott Hall, Jake Roberts, and Jeff Hardy? Enough to last several lifetimes, right? This despite the fact that there are plenty of other dudes who partied just as hard as those guys did, yet somehow they never managed to cross the line into being a public joke about it. Ric Flair is well known among insiders for being a falling-down drunk on a regular basis, but I guess since he was The Man and everything, nobody ever joked about him.

 

This also overlaps with the whole steroid thing. I can't count the number of times I've had to explain to someone that practically everyone in da biz has done some hormone supplements or performance enhancers at some point or another. It's not just guys who look like Batista who were on the gas. Yet countless people still act shocked when it comes out that Dawn Marie or whomever was on the shit. Most non-drug-using civilians simply don't know jack shit about drugs and how they work.

[sek69]

Hall, Roberts, and Hardy have all made public spectacles of themselves because of their drinking/drug use. Most guys are better than that when it comes to keeping their partying on the down low. Also how long were those guys doing what they were doing before it became public knowledge? All of them were in the business for at least 10 years before the really wild tales started coming out.

 

The steroid stuff I agree with you 100%. I can't tell you how many times I would get into arguments with people who would insist that guys like Eddie couldn't be on enhancement drugs because they weren't ripped like Batista. Or that all the women on the WWE roster could have washboard abs (and also start to develop mannish features) without taking any kind of supplement.

[Jingus]

Hall, Roberts, and Hardy have all made public spectacles of themselves because of their drinking/drug use.

Yeah, but my point is that there were other guys who were just as much a public spectacle, yet strangely didn't become the level of common punchline they did. Sean Waltman is a good example. By all accounts, he was right there matching Hall drink for drink and pill for pill on a nightly basis. Yet it took him almost a decade longer to become a joke, and he's still not nearly as much of a "Last Call Hall" figure of public mockery. Most smarks act like they know which wrestlers are the worst druggies, but time and again they ignore guys who are well known by insiders to be junkies just to make the same old Jeff Hardy jokes again. (And before the arrest, not a single one of them would believe that Jeff's drugs of choice included steroids and coke.) The sheer number of guys who died by overdose yet were never held to be well-known addicts during their lives should be an indicator here.

[El-P]

Yes, on and off. The longest thread in the early history of the board (way back in early-mid 2000) involved the regular posters defending then-current WWF (and especially Triple H) while Jerome bashed it.

Memories... I was such a heat magnet in this one. Saying Triple H sucked in 2001 (I think it was in 2001) wasn't the most popular opinion. I kinda miss those times when I really cared about it. Plus I was young. I wonder if that stuff got saved somewhere, I would be curious to see what the hell I was writing back then. Probably being a complete dick too...

[kjh]

But...he's...not a character...

But he gets a lot of people talking online. And surely that's a good thing. You know the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" philosophy.

 

Speaking of Dixie, from Dave's review of Hardcore Justice:

 

The crowd is chanting "Fuck you Vince" and they showed Dixie Carter who seemed happy.

 

Tommy Dreamer thanked Mike Tenay, Tazz, everyone watching, thanked Atlas, thanked Dixie Carter who was holding up a beer. Fans were chating thank you Dixie and Bubba picked up Dixie to celebrate. There was a Dixie chant and a TNA chant.

Hilarious on several levels. Dreamer and Russo getting the crowd to verbally fellate Dixie will probably set the company back another few months.

[MikeCampbell]

What did she say about Alvarez's rant?

That TNA is making a lot of money, and doing so with integrity. They love their fans and they love their wrestlers, so in her eyes they're not a failure.

[Strummer]

does anyone else find Tommy Dreamer nauseating to listen to? I never was a fan but he's really moving into that "despise" category. UGH

[El-P]

does anyone else find Tommy Dreamer nauseating to listen to?

In which way ?

[Guest Slickster]

Or that all the women on the WWE roster could have washboard abs (and also start to develop mannish features) without taking any kind of supplement.

Who would fall into this category?