tomk Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 The point wasn't that he was a stiff worker, it's that they Just So Happened to match Jericho up with the company's top shooter in his first WWF feud. It wouldn't be the first time they'd taken measures to aggressively introduce someone to How Things Are Done Here. When's the last time you've watched a WWF Shamrock match? Spotty small heavyweight in Jericho was matched up with small heavy who did lots of rope running and ranas= how things are done around here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Yes, aI ppreciate the irony. All the people we heard reports about who were bitching backstage about Jericho's wrestling style apparently could not. During that autumn, it seemed like every single week there was some new internet/newsletter story about the office not liking his stuff, despite the fact that he wasn't really doing anything different from various other guys who already worked there. For the first few months it seemed like some people were determined to bury the guy no matter what, using any flimsy excuse that came to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Liska Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Maybe this should go in the Myth thread, but how much truth is there to the "Chris Benoit: Greatest guy in the world until that day" talking point? I see people still bring this up, but then there are the stories like calling a Japanese ref a little bitch for crying or threatening to mangle his hands on the ring posts in WCW, which aren't the worst things you'll ever hear about a wrestler, but hardly something someone with the angelic reputation Benoit had would be doing. Like most of life, he was complicated. Obviously there are the ugly stories out there and I'm not going to defend him as a person. But his actions were tough for a lot of wrestlers to deal with because he did do some genuinely good things as well. Shad of Cryme Time told a story about how he was having a tough time after his wife had a miscarriage, and Benoit was the guy that would sit with him and talk about it and give him encouragement. So he was having a hard time dealing with it. There are some nice stories about him and Brian Hildebrand. I'm drawing a blank right now, but I know there are other stories about him going out of his way to help people. That's where the "great guy" stuff comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Maybe this should go in the Myth thread, but how much truth is there to the "Chris Benoit: Greatest guy in the world until that day" talking point? I see people still bring this up, but then there are the stories like calling a Japanese ref a little bitch for crying or threatening to mangle his hands on the ring posts in WCW, which aren't the worst things you'll ever hear about a wrestler, but hardly something someone with the angelic reputation Benoit had would be doing. What other stories of Benoit's sociopathic behaviour are there? Look for the Benoit thread in this folder. It covers the death, rumors, steroids, mental behavior, etc. Bix and Loss did a great job with that thread. Even if you don't find the answers in there, still worth reading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004Holds Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Here's an interesting quote from a recent interview by Rob Van Dam: http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/106...d-WWE,-More.htm He said the last thing Chris Benoit said to him in early June 2007 was that he has a lot of respect for leaving and that he has enough sense to walk away and some of us don't have that same sense. Van Dam brought up the 1993 incident and Benoit said he didn't know what he was talking about in 1993 and then weeks later was the Benoit murders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 From this week's Figure Four Weekly... Foley's fourth book, CROSSING THE LINE, which is about, of course, the move to TNA, will be out later this year or early in 2010. I mean...does the world REALLY need a fourth Mick Foley autobiography? I mean, the first book was very good, because it was a good story going from working small time gyms and beating himself up to becoming a top star in WWF. The second book was mildly interesting, because it gives the story of a year in the life of a top star in the WWF, as well as what looked like the end of his full-time career at that point. His third book was a self-absorbed piece of garbage, which could basically be summed up as "WAAAAAAH! VINCE WON'T LET ME USE MY IDEAS FOR MY MID CARD FEUD WITH TOMMY DREAMER AND TERRY FUNK! WAAAAAAAH!" I can only imagine how bad the fourth book is going to be. Also, good luck selling that one without the WWE publicity machine, TNA television reaches so many folks, there are still fans out there who probably think Kurt Angle retired out of the blue three years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1004Holds Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 From this week's Figure Four Weekly... Foley's fourth book, CROSSING THE LINE, which is about, of course, the move to TNA, will be out later this year or early in 2010. I mean...does the world REALLY need a fourth Mick Foley autobiography? I mean, the first book was very good, because it was a good story going from working small time gyms and beating himself up to becoming a top star in WWF. The second book was mildly interesting, because it gives the story of a year in the life of a top star in the WWF, as well as what looked like the end of his full-time career at that point. His third book was a self-absorbed piece of garbage, which could basically be summed up as "WAAAAAAH! VINCE WON'T LET ME USE MY IDEAS FOR MY MID CARD FEUD WITH TOMMY DREAMER AND TERRY FUNK! WAAAAAAAH!" I can only imagine how bad the fourth book is going to be. Also, good luck selling that one without the WWE publicity machine, TNA television reaches so many folks, there are still fans out there who probably think Kurt Angle retired out of the blue three years ago. I think Mick Foley should have retired by 2000. His apperances after his time as commisioner weren't memorable to me. The only good that could come of this is maybe he'll be more honest about his career in the WWE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 I'm somewhat intrigued at how he compares the creative process in TNA with WWE. Hopefully the book won't turn out to be a love letter to himself for all the great ideas that he came up with that Jeff and Russo in their infinite wisdom allowed him to do, while bashing Vince for not doing the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kenta Batista Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Candice Michelle as of today, June 19, 2009. WWE wishes Candice the best in all future endeavors. http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/10579966 All I have to say is...its about time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 I swear I was just thinking a few hours ago, "I bet Candice Michelle gets released soon." Don't know why, but dammit I was right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I watched Jericho/Ultimo from WAR and that match has really, really not stood the test of time at all. It's really hard to believe it was considered to be great back in '95, and was one of the matches that got Jericho noticed. This match really makes you appreciate the wrestler he would eventually develop into while wrestling for WWE, because aside from a few nice highspots here and there, he really didn't have a clue what to do between moves and was really clumsy. He had the charisma, look, and a few nice moves, but was definitely not a ring general at this point in his career. Give him credit for improving so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I watched Jericho/Ultimo from WAR and that match has really, really not stood the test of time at all. It's really hard to believe it was considered to be great back in '95, and was one of the matches that got Jericho noticed. This match really makes you appreciate the wrestler he would eventually develop into while wrestling for WWE, because aside from a few nice highspots here and there, he really didn't have a clue what to do between moves and was really clumsy. He had the charisma, look, and a few nice moves, but was definitely not a ring general at this point in his career. Give him credit for improving so much.The "inexplicable tiny pants" match or the title tournament match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 The inexplicable tiny pants match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 How is it that Edge goes back and forth between being awesome and terrible with no middle ground? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 You have to elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I typically despise Edge because his facial expressions are way too exaggerated, and I don't care for all the reverse/inverted moves and the terrible spear. But I assume Bix is referring to the match with Morrison on Smackdown, which is getting tons of praise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 I typically despise Edge because his facial expressions are way too exaggerated, and I don't care for all the reverse/inverted moves and the terrible spear. But I assume Bix is referring to the match with Morrison on Smackdown, which is getting tons of praise.Yeah, pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Talon Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I guess it goes down to who he's working with Morrison is one heck of a worker nowadays and has consistently upped his game in the 2 years since the gimmick change. Edge's series with 'Taker was great because Taker is a big game wrestler and on a big show you'd want nobody else out there to work it (Wrestlemania 19 aside. Nobody could save that) Same with Cena in a way, but with Cena it's kind of like Hogan in a way, he's a very good worker but you know whats going to happen each and every time. Jericho is Jericho and he's one of the best in the business period. Now somebody like Jeff Hardy on the other hand, and I like Jeff Hardy don't get me wrong but he's really a very cut and dry wrestler, and the sick bumps and spot fests will only get you so far in a match. I think that's what hurts Edge is when he's paired up with Jeff, which will happen more often than not until Jeff gets fired because of their history together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strummer Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I really think the wellness policy killed Candice Michelle's WWE career. She just couldn't keep that ridiculous body she had pre wellness and gradually saw her push decline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Was there that much of a difference? I always just saw a generic skinny chick who couldn't work to save her life. I mean, Candice was downright incompetent, with dangerously improper form on her bumps of the injury-causing kind. Not to mention the worst offense on the entire roster, with "kicks" that sometimes literally missed her opponent by a foot. It was a legitimate argument between her and Ashley as to who the worst pushed Diva of this era was. Even someone like a Christy Hemme or a Maria was measurably better than Candice. I know the WWE doesn't expect their women to be any good, but even the chicks must have some standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boondocks Kernoodle Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I always had a soft spot for Candice just because of how incredibly dumb she seemed. Someone at TSM once posted an old Playboy video she did before wrestling and in it she stated that she likes when men wear lingerie, such as a wifebeater. Then she said that she's not a fan of cheesy pick-up lines but she did like it when one guy asked her if it hurt when she fell from Heaven. Then she said, "I like the sun because it's warm and it's hot and it's not cold like when you're in the water." Thank you, Ralph Wiggum! On another note: Am I the only one who thinks Kamala looked infinitely cooler when he had the big gold nose ring? Nose ring Kamala looked scary, like he actually wanted to boil you in a big pot of water and eat you. I think he had a different face paint pattern then too. WWF Kamala looked like a big goofy clown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 You know, I think that "female Ralph Wiggum" might be the most apt description of Candace Michelle I've ever heard. I await her TNA debut when she tells Mike Tenay her cat's breath smells like cat food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 --An article on European star Cannonball Grizzly, who used to wrestle in WCW as P.N. News, who is putting on a wrestling show at his alma mater, Cedar Catholic High School in Hartington, NE on 6/27 (he graduated the school in 1984), with tag team partner Mike Hallick, who wrestles as Bruiser Mastino is at http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/articles/2...5db00132b7f.txt Appearing on the show will also be Alex Shelley and Lenny Lane. Main event is Grizzly & Hallick vs. Matt Morgan & Homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodhelmet Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 He actually doesn't look half bad in that pic. Much better shape than he ever was as PN News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 I'm coming to love these awesome examples of wrestlers working the hell out of ignorant reporters like this. Google Neu's WCW name, "Rapmaster P.N. News." You'll find videos of a 400-pound showman entering the ring wearing sunglasses, a cap tilted to the side and gold chains, then launching into a prematch rap predicting victory, ending with "Yo baby, yo baby, yo" to the cheers of the crowd. Despite his popularity, Neu said behind-the-scenes politics left him without a WCW contract renewal a year later. "I was a bit of a free spirit. I thought I could get by on talent alone." Did anybody besides young, young children actually like PN News? He wasn't exactly over like rover. Neu said it looks promising that they could land a contract with the WWE, putting him back in the big time.Seems like that "I'm just waiting for the phone to ring!" type of quote is an inevitable prerequisite in every one of these has-been veteran interviews. At least the more politely realistic ones say something like "never say never, but...". All that being said, yeah, I'd totally pay money to see PN News vs Homicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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