Timbo Slice Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 The Outrunners not being on Dynamite tonight is a crime, what you doing, TK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Why is Chris Jericho getting a 20 minute TV match in 2024? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 A 20 minute Jericho tv match in 2020 was enough to get me to tap out of Dynamite until they got crowds back, can't imagine that shit in 2024. Just seeing Jericho vs OC again in 2024 was enough to make me immediately tune out even if the rest of the card looked rad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Skipped through 90% of the show. The Nigel video package was really cool. I wonder if Yuta can turn his career around with this angle and he finds himself a character that can connect with the crowd in a meaningful manner. The highspots of Mortos/Richochet were cool as hell, as expected. Jarret is gonna have such an awesome brawl with Hangman, WrestleDream seems to be the obvious choice with Swerve returning to pay Page back for All In. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoS Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 15 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: Jarret is gonna have such an awesome brawl with Hangman, WrestleDream seems to be the obvious choice with Swerve returning to pay Page back for All In. I wouldn't have Swerve and Page get back to their feud just yet. I would let that simmer on the backburner. They have done pretty much everything two feuding wrestlers can do this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 Letting Jericho go that long while the Outrunners are so hot is tantamount to grievous wrestling crime. Can that dude not go on a 6 month tour of pretending he’s a rockstar instead? But all will be fine in the world if Private Party bring Daniel Garcia out with them next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 13 hours ago, MoS said: I wouldn't have Swerve and Page get back to their feud just yet. I would let that simmer on the backburner. They have done pretty much everything two feuding wrestlers can do this year. I wouldn't go back to match between them anytime soon but Swerve's been out and WrestleDream is in his home state, I highly doubt he doesn't show up and messing with Page makes sense as payback and a good pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Darby winning the big one but in the process retiring Bryan seems very unsatisfactory, but Mox beating Bryan and Darby beating Mox also isn't very satisfying. Will be interesting to see how it all turns out, but AEW has done great with long term angles for ages so I'm willing to see where it goes before getting down on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Also Mariah May has absolutely zero juice outside of being associated with Toni Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 4 hours ago, strobogo said: Also Mariah May has absolutely zero juice outside of being associated with Toni Storm Which is probably why Mina is coming back, honestly. Speaking of that whole situation what happened to Toni? I know she's making challenges to people in Stardom, but in AEW continuity it's like she pulled a Roman and peaced out after ending a long title run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gramsci Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 I think Danielson should beat Moxley in Tacoma reversing an inside cradle and then book an I Quit match at Full Gear or World's End. Darby can win the World title from Moxley at Revolution or Dynasty. That would be a satisfactory outcome for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NintendoLogic Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 Danielson hasn't been protected enough nor has his title reign been long enough for anyone to get a significant career boost from beating him directly. Plus, the forced retirement of a beloved legend is inherently bittersweet, so that probably isn't the ideal way to create a new star. I would suggest having a scumbag heel win the title by cheating and then have Darby or whoever else get the rub from avenging Danielson. You'll all probably hate this idea, but Jericho screwing Bryan out of the title and cutting promos about how he sent the American Dragon home to be a family man would draw nuclear heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmare007 Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 1 hour ago, NintendoLogic said: You'll all probably hate this idea, but Jericho screwing Bryan out of the title and cutting promos about how he sent the American Dragon home to be a family man would draw nuclear heat. That sounds like a "lets make them mad" idea that 2010s WWE proved it doesn't really work in current wrestling. It gets big heat a couple of weeks and then people tune out or stop caring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckjaywalk Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 35 minutes ago, Jmare007 said: That sounds like a "lets make them mad" idea that 2010s WWE proved it doesn't really work in current wrestling. It gets big heat a couple of weeks and then people tune out or stop caring Yeah, that's a cue to stop watching type of angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 At this point, AEW feels like a lot of the wind is out of their sails. Sending Jericho out there to die on Dynamite isn't really helping anything. I don't think a Becky Lynch or Kevin Owens is going to show up. I'm not sure what they can do to get momentum at this point. They just lost The Lucha Bros, whom they never even really did anything with. The Toni Storm/Mariah May feud had some intrigue. So did Swerve/Hangman. Moné has been a complete whiff & I'm not sure how many people are still clamoring for Main Event Moxley. It's wild that two of the more fun things lately have been Christian & Jarrett. Kind of feels like they're just going through the motions as a promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoggs33 Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 13 minutes ago, Coffey said: At this point, AEW feels like a lot of the wind is out of their sails. Sending Jericho out there to die on Dynamite isn't really helping anything. I don't think a Becky Lynch or Kevin Owens is going to show up. I'm not sure what they can do to get momentum at this point. They just lost The Lucha Bros, whom they never even really did anything with. The Toni Storm/Mariah May feud had some intrigue. So did Swerve/Hangman. Moné has been a complete whiff & I'm not sure how many people are still clamoring for Main Event Moxley. It's wild that two of the more fun things lately have been Christian & Jarrett. Kind of feels like they're just going through the motions as a promotion. Exactly this! 100% agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirEdger Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 It doesn't help that Mercedes Moné has showed that she has absolutely regressed as a character. Her promos are dreadful; she has no aura whatsoever. Mercedes Moné is pretty much Temu Sasha Banks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Thread Killer Posted September 20 Report Share Posted September 20 The ridiculously low attendance hasn’t helped them much either. On the few occasions I have flipped past Dynamite, it has definitely given me the exact exact same vibe that WCW gave when they were in their death throes. When you have 1,500 to 2,000 fans in a 18,000 seat arena, it really doesn’t matter how low you turn the lights or if you try and cram everybody into one section and film it so it looks like the place is full. It still sounds like the place is empty and looks totally bush league. Look at Grand Slam. First year: 20,000 fans - place is sold out. Second year: 13,800 Third year: 11,000 This year? They’re only set up for 5,700 seats and as of now, they’ve only sold 4,400. Even if they give away a ton of comps and “sell out?” To go from 20,000 to 5,700 (at best) in 4 years? That ain’t good, no matter how you spin it. That’s what insanely shitty booking buys you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Are AEW ticket prices still extortionate? Not that’s the only excuse for the low sales but I actually think the damage was done in mid 2022 with regards to booking. When the injuries piled up and Cody left, they didn’t really recover and then everything with Punk soured things even more. I actually think this year has been very solid with great moments and great shows but you can’t ignore that the perception is that they’re losing guys and the guys out there they’re interested in would rather go to WWE since the pendulum has swung back to them being red hot again. I’m hoping that the new TV deal and show on Fox can see them develop three distinct identities for each show and they can actually have a midcard. Not just a bunch of guys who lose to the main guys until it’s their turn to disappear for a while. I’d make Collision the tag show, for instance. Obviously not all tags but I’d endeavour to have two really good tag matches on there every week and develop some of the teams with actual mid card feuds where they can actually win. Build it round FTR since they’re the established “best” team, give the likes of STP and the Outrunners a genuine effort to get over. Bring tags from the indies in for one shots and see who catches on, throw guys together who have been missing for months. The company was built on a strong tag division and that’s eroded. Not sure you can underestimate how much damage adding Collision did to the attendances too. It may be best to just go back to Texas or Daily’s Place every single week for Collision and take Dynamite/Shockwave out on the road and make it so everyone knows that those two shows will have all of the major players on it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Always lol to see the late stage WCW comparisons when at that point, WCW had been absolute dogshit for years and in complete free fall viewership/tickets/quality programming when AEW over extending themselves booking venues bigger than they should a year in advance but putting on frequently great shows and nearly every PPV here specifically is effusive praise for how great AEW is. Also the memory holing of those weekly pics of Raw/SD where the entire hard cam side is empty for like....a decade straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Also, completely baffling how much Double J has absolutely fucking ruled in AEW in his late 50s when he was such an albatross of enjoyment from 1993-like 2015 with a handful of enjoyable periods, almost genuinely ironically when he was a babyface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobogo Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 Double also, Takeshita vs. Okada/Ospreay is going to rule. Triple also, gotta do more with Kyle Fletcher. Quad also, how fucking bad was Mark Davis' wrist injury that he's been out of action for over a year (also Bandito)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingedEagle Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 On 9/20/2024 at 8:56 AM, Jmare007 said: That sounds like a "lets make them mad" idea that 2010s WWE proved it doesn't really work in current wrestling. It gets big heat a couple of weeks and then people tune out or stop caring 1000%. We're a generation or two past Jericho having any value on top or legitimate heat. But, sure, let's light a match on our way out the door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbo Slice Posted September 22 Author Report Share Posted September 22 I see what they’re trying to do with Nigel but it’s just not working. A bit of a shame. He doesn’t have the juice to hold this together with no retort. In the moment it has a shot, but he’s done all this to crickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stiva Posted September 22 Report Share Posted September 22 Feels like something that would have been getting over huge in AEW 18-24 months ago but yeah, no matter what they do, it’s not connecting. Though I’d have brought Bryan out or actually confirmed the match on Collision. It just sort of…ended Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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