Dylan Waco Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 New Japan coverage in this weeks issue, reads like TNA coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artDDP Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 Mike Sempervieve seems like an incredibly nice guy. That said, his "positive spin" style doesn't really mesh with Dave's style, and he seems nervous on the air.If only there was a positive spin style podcaster out there who is completely comfortable on the air... Could that podcaster hold back on the F-bombs, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditch Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 New Japan coverage in this weeks issue, reads like TNA coverage.How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 The best part about the WON is the fact that I found out that Lord James Blears' daughter was in Playboy in the 70's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted May 29, 2014 Report Share Posted May 29, 2014 This is why Dave gives Dylan so much crap obviously. It's the pyramid of screaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 Meltzer puts over Muraco pretty big in this weeks Observer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Enthusiast Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 This is why Dave gives Dylan so much crap obviously. It's the pyramid of screaming. Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted May 31, 2014 Report Share Posted May 31, 2014 The Impact review in this week's issue had one of Dave's infamous "ALL CAPS" criticisms he pulls maybe once every year or so. Was about one of the Wolves. Wish someone would index all the "ALL CAPS" passages. He did one a few years ago about some awful music playing during an AJ Styles vignette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 WRESTLEMANIA 3 ATTENDANCE DISCUSSION TIME AGAIN! For past discussions, see here and here. On the latest WOR, someone asked Dave (noting he knows Dave is sick of these types of questions) how WM3 could have drawn 78,000 if Super Bowl XVI drew over 81,000 people in the Silverdome five years earlier. He doesn't know, and he doesn't think the football number was a work, either, but he saw the building settlement and it said ~78,000, so that's what he believes, plus he's talked to other people in the company about it, and seen their internal records, etc, etc. He also doesn't have the building settlement anymore. I'm now about 95% sure the real attendance is closer to 90,000 and there was skimming going on that put the official record lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 I think some of Dave's comments about women's wrestling were interesting this week. He basically, said "since I wasn't there, I have no way of knowing!" but that he read a book by someone who wasn't there and because of the information in the book, he could then know better. I know it sounds silly to break it down like that but it really did stand out to me, just the way he said it, especially relative to some of our previous discussions. I also liked the branding that Full Sail is the new ECW Arena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 WRESTLEMANIA 3 ATTENDANCE DISCUSSION TIME AGAIN! For past discussions, see here and here. On the latest WOR, someone asked Dave (noting he knows Dave is sick of these types of questions) how WM3 could have drawn 78,000 if Super Bowl XVI drew over 81,000 people in the Silverdome five years earlier. He doesn't know, and he doesn't think the football number was a work, either, but he saw the building settlement and it said ~78,000, so that's what he believes, plus he's talked to other people in the company about it, and seen their internal records, etc, etc. He also doesn't have the building settlement anymore. I'm now about 95% sure the real attendance is closer to 90,000 and there was skimming going on that put the official record lower. If Zane Bresloff was still alive, would we get more or less talk about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdw Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 WRESTLEMANIA 3 ATTENDANCE DISCUSSION TIME AGAIN! For past discussions, see here and here. On the latest WOR, someone asked Dave (noting he knows Dave is sick of these types of questions) how WM3 could have drawn 78,000 if Super Bowl XVI drew over 81,000 people in the Silverdome five years earlier. He doesn't know, and he doesn't think the football number was a work, either, but he saw the building settlement and it said ~78,000, so that's what he believes, plus he's talked to other people in the company about it, and seen their internal records, etc, etc. He also doesn't have the building settlement anymore. I'm now about 95% sure the real attendance is closer to 90,000 and there was skimming going on that put the official record lower. The one major positive if that Dave admits that the NFL number wasn't worked. We also know that the Lions had several games top 80K, at least two of which were these: 09/28/80 - 80,291 12/20/81 - 80,444 They also had loads well above the 70K level. That's where we've always gone with this: If there's 78K+ seats, then how many people are on the Floor (i.e. no one is on the Floor for an NFL game). Dave has reported often that the place was Sold Out, in other words the WWF sold all the tickets they had out. If there were 78K to 80K in the Seats (and we've never been able to identify any obstructed/blocked off Seats/Sections in the pictures), then how many are on the floor? We all agree that there are several thousand on the floor... quite a few several thousand. If someone wants to tell me that the 93K number was worked, I don't disagree. But 78K is wrong. Much more likely 88K. And yeah... skim is *possible*. I think the other possibility rather than a skim is that there were a good number of comps out. Not "paper" exactly to fill the building. But instead freebies that the WWF gave for promotional use, and to local palm greasing, and other things like that. Tickets committed before they thought they really could sell out the building. Could they have "sold" 78K tickets and handed out 10K freebies? That seems like a lot of freebies. You would think that Dave at the time would have heard if 11% of the building was via freebies. But then again, Dave *at the time* thought the 93K was legit, reported that the WWF sold every last ticket that they had on the markets, and that they could have sold more if the building was bigger... that's how strong the demand ended up being. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Back and to the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I really enjoyed Dave's perspective on Charlotte/Natalya this week, but I also really don't like the new trend in the WON of doing math problems for paragraphs and paragraphs and paragraphs. Sometimes I get the impression that Dave is so bogged down in the numbers of the wrestling business that he's lost perspective on the wrestling business, if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 The rise of numbers in wrestling has been troubling, as I honestly don't feel it's something that adds much to interesting discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 It's not even so much that he's bogged down in numbers, but when you start throwing algebra in the patented Meltzer wall of text paragraph it's like adding number croutons to a word salad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 This may not make much of a difference with WM3 attendance talk, but the Detroit Pistons (basketball) played their home games in the Silverdome most of the 80s. Not sure what the floor setup would be, but there had to have been seating on the field during games. From what I can tell, the most they (Pistons) had was around 60,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 This may not make much of a difference with WM3 attendance talk, but the Detroit Pistons (basketball) played their home games in the Silverdome most of the 80s. Not sure what the floor setup would be, but there had to have been seating on the field during games. From what I can tell, the most they (Pistons) had was around 60,000.Different configuration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 This may not make much of a difference with WM3 attendance talk, but the Detroit Pistons (basketball) played their home games in the Silverdome most of the 80s. Not sure what the floor setup would be, but there had to have been seating on the field during games. From what I can tell, the most they (Pistons) had was around 60,000.Different configuration. Correct. There's no way they were ever expecting 80K to show up for basketball, especially with so many obstructed seats by the sideline where the red temp bleachers are and such. For some reason, I first assumed the court would be on the center of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffey Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 I love Tanahashi's Frog Splash. If there's one thing I didn't expect to read here, it was people saying he doesn't have a good one. Especially when compared to Mr. 40% RVD. My goodness. And I like the Rainmaker too but I would like it a lot more if he didn't use a freakin' Tombstone Piledriver as the set-up move for it. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 So Bryan's Death of WCW book just got an expanded re-release, and Vince Russo is losing his shit over it: Vince Russo@pyroballyhoo How sad it is that the clown who updated "Death of WCW" Book is on hear hawking it as #1 wrestling book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 tl;dr version of Russo's cryfest: he's upset Bryan didn't interview him for the book, pretty sure Dave mentioned at some point that he turned down an interview request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillThompson Posted June 14, 2014 Report Share Posted June 14, 2014 It's like the two village idiots fighting over who's the bigger idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakla Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 I do recall during the Russo live Youshoot (shown on iPPV 2 years ago but not released on DVD) that Sean Oliver (at least) called out Bryan and Dave for not submitting any questions. Think I've only read bits and pieces of Death of WCW, so I don't know if interviews were done or if they got quotes from old articles for the original version for sources. Bryan's opinion of Russo is well-known, he probably just didn't want to bother talking to him, even if Russo was more than willing to speak. I think Russo is on good terms with RD Reynolds tho, he did his podcast earlier this year. But I'm not sure how much RD was involved with the book's revision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted June 15, 2014 Report Share Posted June 15, 2014 "Gotta go to bed. Word of advice--If wrestling books aren't written by the WRESTLERS---don't believe a word in them!" - Vince Russo Classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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