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Please tell me that exchange is on YouTube somewhere lol.
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[1990-02-23-WWF-The Main Event] Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
It was. And they didn't really have too many matches in WCW that I can recall. Against each other, that is.- 15 replies
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Makes you wonder how much of it was them and how much of it was Dustin. The character is an interesting continuation of the effeminate heel, plugged into a kind of 90's pop-culture sensibility of what they were trying to touch upon, on what was aiming to be a family-friendly product more or less during this time. "Identity crisis" is a good way to put it.
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I can't talk much shit about him at all, he actually helped my brother out of a tricky situation in Atlanta during WM a few years ago. Whatever opinion I have on his work, or indeed his opinions themselves are null and void in light of this.
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[1990-10-13-WWF-Superstars] Update: Jake Roberts update
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
They did this exact same thing nearly two years later with Tatanka I remember. -
[1990-11-22-WWF-Survivor Series] Interview: Randy Savage
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
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It has probably the best exit from a battle royal I've ever seen, the bump Slaughter took to the post before being thrown out.
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This was an interesting concept, but it felt a little rushed and too obvious about babyface/heel. Would have been more interesting if they did a combination of this, and what they did in '95 with the wild card match.
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It's pretty amazing that he'd just sort of arrived with this match, as opposed to fading into the background. It's like Vince knew this would be an important guy on the roster. Dibiase's intro is effectively more goosebump-raising because of this. I do wonder if the dark irony of the character making his debut after such a bleak day in Bret's life was lost on anyone. It was pretty damn professional for Bret to even show up, let alone have that great roll-around with Ted at the end.
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Bret Hart/Jerry Lawler, in '93 specifically. The anger at the end of that SummerSlam match is palpable.
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Did he ever have any good matches with Sting? I seem to remember the rivalry, but not much else.
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Bret had some pretty exciting matches I had the privilege of watching while they happened (his match with Austin at WM 13 is probably the single best WM match I've ever seen), and had decent programs with guys in his prime. There's no doubt that he had a strong fan base in America, Canada and abroad as well. Even with how his career ended, I could never consider his legacy too tainted by the choices he made. But Flair's Flair. I don't think Bret could have carried Western Canada the way Ric carried the Mid-Atlantic, and ultimately the southeastern part of the country. Bret would have had way too much ego (a charge levied at him by plenty of people he's dealt with) to allow a roster of people to rise up along with him. Flair not only made himself, but others too. Sting, Luger, Windham, and lots of other people he brought into that territory who would become name guys and eventually legends. The question I think people should take away from this is, if Bret had never worked for McMahon, would we be having this conversation at all?
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It's too bad nobody stepped up and represented Goldberg's interests throughout this. Specifically, someone above Nash and company in that particular food chain. It's been said before, but it's ridiculous how under-represented Bill was by WCW. WWF had "Austin 3:16" signs in the crowd the next night, and shirts in production by the end of that summer. It was good intuition by Vince, but it was by no means rocket science. It's either that the Turner people were really too stupid to capitalize on it, or had their hands tied by the guys making the big bucks.
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We did that at our house when I was a kid for a few years. The first time, we actually had little wooden trophies painted gold for whoever won. Later, we did it for money. Haven't done it in awhile. It is quite fun.
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Wrestling in unusual contexts
flyonthewall2983 replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling Mostly
The unusual context about the NBK thing is that they let Oliver Stone use the footage, or didn't care enough to sue. Richard Belzer (of all people) name-dropping Doink The Clown to illustrate Ned Beatty's fandom on an early episode of Homicide: Life On The Street. -
I agree. Great to hear him and JBL again.
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[1990-02-17-WWF-Superstars] Hulk Hogan and Ultimate Warrior promos
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
I really hope you're serious about that lol.- 16 replies
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[1990-02-03-WWF-Superstars] Jake Roberts vs Ted DiBiase
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in February 1990
I saw the end part of this on YouTube, curious as to how they turned Boss Man face, because he was still a pretty hot heel in this time frame. It shouldn't have worked, but it did. He went in one year from being Hogan's hated rival in a series of cage matches to being the guy who had Hogan's back later this year. Off-topic, but they really dropped the ball when they teased a face turn in '99 against McMahon. We wouldn't have had all that ugliness with Paul Wight's "father", etc. -
[1990-01-06-NWA-Power Hour] Arn Anderson vs Great Muta
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in January 1990
When did Arn start using the spinebuster? Earliest I seem to recall seeing it was at the '89 Royal Rumble when he put one on Marty Jannetty? -
[1990-04-01-WWF-Wrestlemania VI] Demolition vs Andre the Giant & Haku
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in April 1990
I always wondered why Andre didn't work the match, since he still worked matches in Japan until a few months before his death. The face turn is great, Bobby spitting "I'm the fucking boss" and poking him around after.- 11 replies
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Would have been interesting if Jesse had stuck around long enough to see Slaughter go "turncoat". Siding with a heel portrayed as sympathetic to the enemy would probably have wrecked his political ambitions.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
Being backup in case John's injury puts him out for longer was my first thought, too. I don't follow the show slavishly, but I can imagine Punk could pull a decent match out of Ryback. Seriously, I was close to marking out with how well they did that ending. So bravo to them for putting on some decent segments that made sense for once. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
That was a GREAT ending. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
What other Docs would we confuse him for? Hendrix? Was a nod to all the Back To The Future references on the previous page.