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[1997-03-31-WWF-Raw] Owen Hart vs Davey Boy Smith
flyonthewall2983 replied to Loss's topic in March 1997
With the crowd booing it the whole way it's also tempered with some levity, and the impetus of the whole USA/Canada divide that would play out on TV for the rest of the year. Looking back I wasn't really ever excited by the fact that the company would involve Bret's family in nearly every angle he was in, but this paid it all off brilliantly and it is an emotional moment. I doubt Bret gives this much thought, but I'm glad that the last image we had of him and Owen together were as brothers not opponents. -
In retrospect I like this promo video a lot. Maybe one of the very few times they ever built a match on athletics alone as there was no major angle leading up to it (though this was going to be the start of one, thus Bret storming out of the ring at the end of the match). This one speaks for itself. It encapsulates everything the Attitude Era was about, at what was undoubtedly it's very peak before veering off into a new direction post-WCW. The role Jim Ross plays in both of these is not to be understated either, it is major proof why he was the voice of the company during this time.
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Not a singles match but he was on Warrior's team without Bret at the '89 Survivor Series, and that went last.
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Bret is quoted as being very insecure with doing heel promos during the initial run, so it made Neidhart by default the main guy. In the ring at least, I don't think either guy could have topped Jimmy Hart as far as promos. Pushing Bret as a singles while still having Jim around, working in the same gear didn't make much sense. They did it a little bit with Shawn later on too. I think the first inkling of a serious singles push came at the end of that Survivor Series 90 match where Bret and Ted Dibiase have a good little match of their own. Reading about it in Bret's book in the context of his brother Dean's death was very moving. He might have had a few shining moments on television and in house shows, but to me that's really Bret's coming out, before the push really began. Funny that you say you never saw him as world champ. By the time I started watching he was already IC champ, lost and got it back again but I felt the same way. It was a shock to see him on All American Wrestling with the belt, and I mean that in a good way. Looking back it kind of sucks that Flair never had the belt for very long during that time, as an extended reign could have had major benefits for the WWF. But it was nonetheless exciting there was a new guy to lead the company forward and again looking back I can't think of someone better on that roster to have been the guy than Bret. Athletic, good-looking and was a bonafide veteran of the industry by this time, and above all was already familiar with the WWF audience due to the 8 years he'd been with them.
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They weren't inducted as such but weren't Peter Maivia and Rocky Johnson a team at one point? Inducted the same year as the Briscos.
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CTPost article Didn't the father of last year's recipient get in some major legal trouble recently? I can see them taking that as a cue as to honor their own, instead of giving it to charity cases they can't vet as deeply as they can their own employees.
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Not exactly what I had in mind when I said NYC-centric, but I'll take it. Any WCW acts that never worked for WWE getting in is always a bit of a pleasant surprise. If this class shakes out the way I think it will, theirs will be the only induction I'll have any interest in watching.
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Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
flyonthewall2983 replied to Lust Hogan's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Apart from live appearances and just the actual show itself, I don't get the impression he does anywhere near the heavy lifting for the show Conrad does as far as research, apart from maybe re-watching whatever show they cover. It could actually be beneficial to his position in the company, to go over old ground and see how it could possibly fit in the framework of what's going on now. -
I think Conrad and JR could have great chemistry. If he truly feels done with Connecticut then this could have the potential to be an explosive program. He doesn't strike me as having the BS quota Prichard and especially Bischoff possesses, so it could be less of a shouting match between the two as weeks go by.
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Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
flyonthewall2983 replied to Lust Hogan's topic in Publications and Podcasts
The show is going on, but their remaining live dates are being touted as a farewell tour, make of that what you will. I liked the episode on Jerry Lawler. I found it interesting that Bruce saw the segments between Lawler and Heyman as what should have been for that horrible program he had with Piper. And of course his differing account from Lawler himself about what really happened when he quit. -
In order of importance the real criteria for induction is if you’re not on the McMahon shit-list, if they can make money/media attention off of you getting in, or if you made an undeniable impact on the industry.
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Hulk Hogan Biopic in the works; Chris Hemsworth is playing him
flyonthewall2983 replied to KawadaSmile's topic in WWE
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Too bad he never worked a match with Flair
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WWF Superstars (Of Wrestling) on the Network
flyonthewall2983 replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in WWE
I find it hilarious that they managed to put up a few seconds of Warrior puking up in the promotional clip -
I wonder if any segments will be edited out
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I heard King Kong Bundy say something recently and it perfectly sums up what I feel about WCW. He said he knew it was over for them when he saw Eric Bischoff cut a 15-minute promo, sitting on a motorcycle. I'm probably misquoting what he directly said, but it was something to the effect of "this place is doomed because this guy thinks he's a star".
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Very strange that there hasn't been anything official yet. Regardless of that, or if putting them in is in part to appease a grieving daughter, but The Hart Foundation definitely deserve to be in. For at least the time they were together, they were the best tag team that company had. And maybe ever had.
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I wish they'd scale it down a bit, and not just in terms of the length. Do it like they did in 2004 and in the 90's where it'd be in a ballroom somewhere with just the roster, their families, etc. It would make for better television. I could see something like this if they ever get around to actually making a building for their HOF.
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I watched DDP/Goldberg from Halloween Havoc '98, and I've got to say it holds up as a fast-paced big-hype match. Hindsight-wise it would have been better if DDP won and broke the streak himself, as it could have built up another big program between the two, instead of...you know.
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I read somewhere that WWE might not make this as big a priority this year. I hope that's not the case but I somehow wouldn't be surprised after last year's show.
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Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
flyonthewall2983 replied to Lust Hogan's topic in Publications and Podcasts
I think if you consider the times he was employed by both companies, it might make a little more sense. He was hired by WCW in 1989 and had a lot of front-office attention because of his look and was put into big-time programs almost right away. He also made guaranteed money with them, where in WWF it was maybe not as financially lucrative as it might have been during the 80's and the Attitude Era when they were printing money. He joined the WWF in 1991 just before the steroid scandal hit, and rocked the company to it's core PR-wise, to the point that when he returned in 1995, they were doing Raw from miniscule venues compared to the ones he even performed in 3 years earlier. -
Something to Wrestle with Bruce Prichard
flyonthewall2983 replied to Lust Hogan's topic in Publications and Podcasts
Conrad's aside/response to Sid's claim that he was using someone else's urine during a drug test might be the most hilarious thing I've ever heard from him on this show. -
WWF Superstars (Of Wrestling) on the Network
flyonthewall2983 replied to flyonthewall2983's topic in WWE
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I've got to think it's going to be a very NYC-centric class, so probably no outliers like The Midnight Express or possibly even Vader.
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I like the idea of doing a whole show around just inducting Undertaker. The character is a crucial part of history and the man himself a practical institution to those who have worked there for the last 20 years now. As a television show it badly needs to be rethought. It's one thing to have total freedom because it's your Network and not being bound by the restrictions of networks, but overkill is all the more possible if things get out of hand.