JerryvonKramer

Negro Casas vs. La Fiera (1/10/93) We appear to lose sound at the start of this. Comes back. This is a very enjoyable match that is sufficiently brutal and well worked to leave me really satisfied. Has none of the Lucha bugbears that I've criticised in the past. Strikes are all very crisp. The throws and bombs were cool. The juice job by Casas after the first fall looked *real*, as in hardway. Fiera was impressive here. Seemed impassioned, and like he wanted to inflict pain. Casas looked tremendous. I thought his bumping and selling were both really good and I dug the hell out of his kicks and offense when he was on top. Good stuff, not blowaway, or going to trouble my top 100 list, but super enjoyable. Intensity and violence. **** Negro Casas vs. Mocho Cota (9/23/94) These two are probably my favourite Lucha guys that I've seen, not saying a lot I know but this is moderately exciting. You can tell it is 1994, they are playing 2 Unlimited in the arena! Cota has big hair here and comedic music. I'm disappointed he's not as cool and sinister as he was in the 1980s, but still has obvious charisma. Stan Hansen style start to this as Cota ambushes Casas still wearing his denim jacket. Yeah it was definitely the early 90s! Ha ha. It's got a tiger on the back of it. Casas is bloodied before the match has even started. Here are some things I like in my wrestling: * great character work * sustained heat sequences in which heels run through an entire arsenal of offense * sustained focus on a body part, aka basic Andersons psychology * great selling This match has all of those things in spades and is easily one of the best Lucha matches I've seen. If you tend to not get or be alienated by Lucha, as I have been a lot. Watch this. This is a match from Mexico that fans of American or Japanese wrestling could enjoy. Cota could be Terry Funk. Casas could be Ricky Steamboat. Cota beats on Casas for something fifteen straight minutes, possibly even longer. The stomps on his ankle are brutal, intense, great work. My buddy Pete simply must watch this if he hasn't, he'd love this limbwork. I loved Cota blowing out Casas's knee on the mat. Comeback is incredibly well built to, although finish seems a bit abrupt. Will Mocho Cota ever be in a match I give less than four stars to? He's a lock for my list. Such a brilliant worker. And Casas continues to be fantastic. And this match will very very probably make my next top 100 matches. A bit like Rude vs. Steamboat, or Arn / Larry vs. Dustin / Steamer, this comes close to my perfect vision of a pro wrestling match. Only misses out on full five because the finish was a little anticlimactic. Brilliant match though. Loved it. ****3/4

Who do you think is older Dave or Earl?

Goc, warlord dear tingly moved like an action figure. I've often said its like he couldn't bend his arms. Remember the little lever at the back of the Thundercats toys where it would move arms up and down? He was like a life size version of that.

And you still aren't the oldest Titan?

Such echoing Chad and Brian. I love love love the 12/85 studio match.

Someone get me a pic of Montrel!

Ive been thinking about that, and I'm not sure that I believe it. Here is Montreal If you google image search, there is a pic of Dave and Earl together in 1999, three years later. Dave had put on a lot more weight than Earl.

Pretty much

I've been finding it a lot harder to get into Choshu vs. Fujinami than I did to get into Choshu in AJPW. Trying to figure out why. I just watched 4/21/83 but I'm going to watch it a second time before finishing review and posting.

I'd like to request Chad to do a show with Steven on this. Chad is probably the highest profile Liger pimper.

That wiki entry is almost certainly wrong. Dave started in late 70s same as earl.

Maybe this could all culminate with Chad and I have these guys on WTBBP one time. I've not listened myself and am unlikely to until the new year, just because I'm snowed under right now.

Some fantastic posts from ssupremebvem here. Thanks guy. One other quick question: I've seen some people described as street fighters? What does that mean exactly? What is a real life street fighter? Just someone who grew up fighting literally in the street?

Pete is over 40?!

I actually have insomnia and since Titans is often recorded at about 3am my time, can tell you that this is factually not accurate. Judy is it just the era, Backlund etc. you don't like? Always interested when peeps listen to WTBBP but not Titans.

British Bulldog was the all-time best at saying "The Warlord" His Lancashire accent would always be very strong on the "lord" part.

"Zed man" please. One of my least fave workers.

I'd say that in the Hulkamamiacs vs. Money Inc. feud of 1993, Hogan is mostly in the right. However, at Wrestlemania 9, he does illegally steal IRS's briefcase, break into and enter it, then steals Dibiase's money and gives it away like an orange Robin Hood. And this is after Jack Tunney yet again screws Ted over by changing the rules of wrestling on the fly for no reason! Hogan would complete his heel turn later that night.

Honestly believe that Andre was basically justified in his feud too. AND DiBiase was. I covered this in great detail on a show once. But essentially Tunney screwed him.

Did you really side with Assassin in that feud? I mean I fell in love with him, but as an awesome intellectual heel. What did Wrestling 2 do that was heelish? If anyone hasn't watched the build to that feud and the promos, Assassin is legit a top 5 talker of all time.

Using my top-level research skills, it appears that Earl is actually the older brother: http://www.kayfabenews.com/dave-hebner-finally-admits-that-he-not-earl-screwed-bret/ In other Hebner related news, apparently it was Dave and not Earl who screwed Bret!

For what it's worth I am finding myself drawn to want to watch UFC 2 now.

I don't expect him to do that no. Just seems strange that they couldn't work something out. I'd imagine he was offered *something*, but he's holding out for more? I guess it is possible he was offered *nothing*, which is approaching what I'd imagine he'd get for it.

It's like on a show Pete, when I say the same thing ten minutes later and you say "I said that just now!"

I always assumed it was Dave just because Earl was evil twin.