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I don't think this match is bad at all. Perfectly solid TV match with a strong Owen performance. It is interesting to see Owen work over Warrior for a few minutes. People rarely got to have any sustained offense on him. The post-match is a pretty good heel beat down. Warrior gets carried out & it's the 2014 WWE HOF before we see him again in New York.
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An appearance bond? Wow. Warrior says goodbye & doesn't come back for almost two decades. He & the WWF were totally incapable of working things out.
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Great angle & comeuppance for Sunny. She's one of the best female promos ever just playing Phineas like a fool. I liked Phineas making sad faces. The slop ending is outstanding & Vince is a riot on commentary. He ate this up big time.
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Great TV match. I loved that Vince played up their past & familiarity on commentary. The week before there's a really good video on the background of this match with Vince narrating the history of Shawn & Marty. Marty looked really good in this. What a talent that never made it above the mid-card. I agree that it made sense for him to be able to cut off Shawn. They were tag partners for years. Shawn has mastered a great comeback in the final stretch of his matches by this point. His win felt earned. I dig that he uses a combo of moves ending in the superkick. It makes the superkick a little bit more believable as a finish instead of just a stand alone. Post-match is a blast with Shawn avoiding a Leif Cassidy beat down & Jose Lothario clocking Cornette to a big pop. Lawler made me laugh when he was talking about Sable & Marlena in a casting call/couch during Shawn's celebration
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Goofy commercial. These Warrior ads will be some of the last things we see or here of him before his third depature.
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The Perfect stuff is bizarre. I don't really get the point of having him out there if he isn't going to be involved in any meaningful way. They teased something big during the entire show with him & never delivered on it. Weird. Great match though. I liked the early mat work. Shawn's bump off the press slam to the floor is nuts. I didn't mind the chinlockery. They made the match interesting in between it with some great teases & cut offs. Davey Boy is a bit off here, but he also had some great spots like the sit out powerbomb for a near fall & the incredible flip bump into the turnbuckle. Shawn's comeback does feel earned, but I didn't like the finish. Too confusing with Owen pulling Perfect out of the ring. We don't even know what Perfect is up to still. The post-match is awesome though with Warrior getting a great pop to clean house. Camp Cornette's promo at the end is fantastic as well. Owen's promo is as good's as Cornette's. He had a great night on commentary. I never knew he could be so entertaining in the booth. Looking forward to International Incident based off the ending of this show.
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The first huge moment & win for Austin in the WWF. I think it's a good sub five minute match actually. Jake's selling is very good & the crowd got up for his mini-comeback. The squash is appropriate though & the right call. I think the booking of this tournament is great. Jake needed to go to the Finals to sell his comeback story, but Austin is the new guy in town & Jake is the perfect star to put him over. Austin's post-match promo is legendary & rightfully so. Awesome promo with several great lines. I will also mention I liked the brief Pillman staredown during Austin's entrance. Great segment of the show when considering the whole package.
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The Jeffrey Dahmer line is great. Otherwise, this is a weird interview. Pillman curses for the sake of it & Vince apologizes for it. I did laugh at Pillman randomly calling JR a "son of a bitch."
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Ahmed nearly wiping out the doormen in his entrance is one of the great wrestling gifs of all time. I enjoyed the opening minutes of this with Ahmed sending Goldust into a 360 bump off a clothesline then almost killing himself on a hands free dive to the floor. A few minutes later he tries to murder Goldy by throwing the stairs at his head. Goldust drops the stairs on Ahmed's back & works him over. The match stinks after that with Goldust sitting in holds & caressing Ahmed. The mind games stuff does lead to a hot finish which I thought was fun. The Pearl River Plunge is a great finisher. Cool moment backstage with Ahmed celebrating with champagne & the rest of the face locker room.
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I really liked this match. Taker changing his style must have been a little eye popping at the time. Foley can't seem to work a match without taking at least one brutal looking spot & the irish whip into the ring apron at 100 mph takes the cake. He also takes two chair shots to the head. I loved Bearer getting the crowd riled up with the urn & chanting "Rest in Peace!" with them. Cool catch on camera. Mankind pinning The Undertaker clean, even if was set up by an accidental urn shot from Bearer, is a big moment. I've heard great things about this feud & am looking forward to seeing more of it. Based off Owen's commentary one can assume there were already plans or at least discussion of Bearer turning on Taker.
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Heck of an opener. I liked all of Austin's matwork in this. He's very old school stylistically during this time & I love it. Mero has got to be one of the more ambitious wrestlers of his time. He's always trying new things & the high flying offense is really unique for someone his size. Not everything looks great. It's hit or miss, but it's fun to watch. I liked the near falls for Mero calling back to previous KotR matches too. Great finish. Austin's mouth got busted up pretty badly it seems.
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In the Randy Orton thread, someone mentioned they'd rather watch a Best of Edge comp. I'm the exact opposite. I hated Edge so much. Terrible facial expressions. Embarassing overacting. The "running hug." A 2 year dominance on SD from 07-09 that killed the show from a business standpoint. When he returned to the show in the fall of 2010, SD had a made a decent comeback, at least in terms of quality, but then that awful Kane feud happened where he kidnapped Paul Bearer. Really bad stuff. The injuries were bad too, as he'd get hurt all the time. The 07 & 09 injuries were especially bad timing, yet he got opportunity after opportunity. Years later, a much better talent in Wade Barrett had the same injury problems & didn't get the near the level of promotion. Barrett might not have made money for WWE, near did Edge really, but he would have been far more successful on top as a talent because he was way better than Edge. That's just one example of course. Edge seems like a helluva nice guy actually, but his years as a wrestler sucked. On why he kept being pushed, I think the deal was the Edge/Lita pairing did monster ratings because people wanted to see Lita perform sexual acts on live television. I'm assuming WWE thought that had to do with Edge & kept pushing him because they had one big rating years after they didn't consistently have huge ratings.
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Balor is on Miz TV for the pre-show as well. I'm pumped for Reigns-Strowman & interested to see the stupidity that comes from the House of Horrors, but this is an average card.
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I thought the show was called Bad Blood. They made a big deal about bringing that show back & it being in Hartford & everything. What made them change their minds?
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Has any other top star had such a lackluster career like Orton?
Exposer replied to rzombie1988's topic in Pro Wrestling
Randy Orton is weird. I actually think he has a ton of good to great matches on his resume. The Evolution tags & IC title defenses in 2004. Benoit TV series in 05-06. A few of The Undertaker matches are really good. That awesome Rey title defense after WM 22. The Cena series in 07 & 09. 2011 is possibly his best year with great series against Punk, Christian, Henry, & Cody, & Barrett. The Kane 2012 series is shockingly good. His 2013-2014 run is great with tons of quality matches against Bryan & The Shield. I could go on & on. He's a good wrestler. I think it is worth pointing out he's never been a good draw. Mark Henry had to bring SD's ratings up in 2011 after Orton failed miserably on top there in the spring & summer. There's no evidence to suggest he's a great house show draw. Randy's worst tendencies have to be laziness & lack of motivation. Large portions of 09-10 he seemed to not give a fuck. His 2015 run had some down times. When he came back from the last supsension in 2012 it took him awhile to get back into things. This last year has been hit or miss. I really think it's motivation with him. -
Has any other top star had such a lackluster career like Orton?
Exposer replied to rzombie1988's topic in Pro Wrestling
Yeah, this is certainly an issue. Let's use Punk as an example, since he's a great promo and natural storyteller. He was in WWE for over 7 years and had very few long-term feuds that are even "good." The Jeff Hardy stuff is a good angle and there's actually a progression in the finishes to the big matches (in part because Punk was able definitively win since they fired Hardy at the end). After that... the stuff with Mysterio is ok but repetitive, the feud with Bryan and Kane over AJ is decent soap opera stuff with great matches, and the Cena stuff never worked for more than a month at a time. And this was a pushed guy! So I think that leads to the question of how much of this falls on Orton not being a compelling character vs. the position he's in and the era he's in. If Orton is around in the 80s, he probably falls into a role in various territories a bit like Jake Roberts - the sociopathic killer heel with a lights out finisher. But the movement would allow him to keep an aura that the current format just does not allow. He also probably would have been a babyface far less frequently, which really doesn't play to his strengths. I just haven't had time to make the thread but i really want to know what people think are multi-month angles that have worked in post 2001 WWE. Jericho vs Michaels, Michaels vs Undertaker, maybe the Flair retirement, maybe Legend Killer Randy Orton, maybe Hall of Pain Mark Henry to a degree, the Batista turn, but it's not much. It's astoundingly not much. And what about in this decade specifically? Daniel Bryan's Character arc from late 2011-summer of 2013 really worked but I can't pretend the intention was to get him as over as he was. Bryan vs The Authority worked immediately following that if one chooses to ignore the bumps in the road & sees the end as WM 30 (I do for instance). Goldberg-Brock worked but if you dislike part-timers main eventing shows for titles then it's probably not your thing. Cena-AJ was a good 8 month long story. Jericho-Owens up until the break-up? Punk-Bryan-AJ love triangle is excellent in my opinion & lasted like 3 months. The Shield from their debut until summer of 2013 is great. Hall of Pain Mark Henry is almost perfect. There's more successful long term stories than we think. However, I think the bad ones or the botched ones stand-out more for whatever reason. Summer of Punk falling apart. Nexus angle turning into a PG cartoon. Most Authority angles & storylines outside of the best Bryan stuff. Taker's Streak ending the way it did. Seth Rollins title reign. Owens Title reign. Lots of bad stuff. -
I spent like 10 minutes with a post breaking down who's left on the Raw side after the likeliest matches for the show but now I'm annoyed because I exited out due to not knowing how to use my new computer I got for Christmas. Anyways, Brock-Goldberg, Reigns-Taker, Jericho-Owens, Big Show-Shaq, Women's 4 way, & a Cruiserweight match all seem closer to locks now. Who's left? - HHH, Joe, Zayn, Balor (if he returns in time), Braun, Rusev, Cesaro, Sheamus, New Day, The Club, Enzo & Cass. Zayn, Balor, Cesaro ,New Day, & Enzo/Cass are the faces in that group. The rest are heels. You know Balor & Zayn vs HHH & Joe isn't the worst idea in the world. It gets 4 guys into a pretty big match. The HHH "rub" is included in that of course. I can see that happening for sure actually. That leaves Braun in the cold though. I'd imagine Rusev, Cesaro, & Sheamus are going to be in the Andre battle royal. I think they're going to put in a decent handful of upper mid carders in that this year to get them on the show & create more intrigue on who might win it. It's also possible they do a 3 on 2 handicap with Braun involved in the tag match I thought of but I don't know how they'd get to that point.
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This also presents an interesting decision on what to do with Joe. He's made his debut now. He's made an impact & bragged on social media about taking out Rollins. I think it was clear they were building to Rollins going through Joe to get to HHH. I wonder what they do with him now.
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Tough crowd around here eh? I thought it was a fantastic show & possibly a top 3 TakeOver of all time. Great booking & every match delivered on some level. I thought Nak's selling was phenomenal in the main event & Roode did a perfectly fine job with character work during the match. Also thought AOP looked really good in the tag title match which was excellent. A couple of really great false finishes & a nice, decisive finish for AOP. Dillinger-Young I can see some not enjoying but mostly for Young & his poor worn selling on the mat. Tye & Roode may be really over for their gimmick & entrances but I find them to be charismatic & perfectly good hands in the ring. The Rollins-HHH angle was great too & actually got worked which gives me some hope for that program even if I'm not a fan of either guy. Rumble as a mountain to climb because I thought this show rocked.
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At this point I'd say there are 4 matches that are locks: Brock-Goldberg HHH-Rollins Big Show-Shaq AJ-Shane I'm drinking the koolaid on the AJ-Shane rumor. I legit think that's the AJ match. Signs are pointing to it in their Talking Smack & SD Live arguments. I also think Taker-Reigns & Y2J-KO are nearly locks as well. The question is which of those 3 matches, the latter two & Brock-Goldberg, will be for the Uni Title. Right now I'm actually thinking it is Brock-Goldberg for belt based on the speculation we have at the moment. Seems likely. Of course other questions like what the hell is Cena going to be doing are a little tougher to predict. Maybe a Joe match? Maybe he loses to AJ at Rumble in screwy fashion, Shane costs AJ the belt at EC to set that up, & either Miz or Corbin win the belt & work Cena at Mania. The latter option is something I can logically see happening. Obviously, a lot of questions will be answered the next 2 weeks with at The Rumble & EC.
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Got to pipe in here because I think the Cena-AJ promo discussion is forgetting & ignoring several key moments of the segment. AJ pointined out several times that he's beaten Cena 3 times. He also put Cena over & said he's been great for a long time but his time is over & it's clear as he's only part-time. This idea that the promos were just two guys burying one another Russo or HHH style is false. Maybe we should all watch the segment before coming to conclusions
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I sometimes talk too fast, repeat things, & don't have much to say from time to time. I'm pretty new to podcasting but I love doing it. I appreciate the feedback & criticisms. I'd love to be on as much as I can. As always it's fun doing these post-shows.
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Loss, the leg work/submission finish does have context. Gargano sold the injury in his match with TJ Perkins at the CWC this week. The Perkins match was actually taped a month ago. So my guess is they had this finish so that it would lead into the Cruiserweight Classic match that aired later in the week.
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Thanks guys. I really enjoyed being on the show.
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WWF - Survivor Series 96-Summerslam 97 - Awesome angles, matches, & characters. The best WWF or WWE has ever been in my opinion. WWE - TLC 2012-Summerslam 2014 - The highest match quality on average in WWE history with even a few classics mixed in. WCW - Starrcade 88-Fall Brawl 94 - Not the biggest fan of Crockett but 89 WCW is amazing & the match quality stayed upright for the next five years. Arguably the highest match quality on average from one company in US wrestling history. WCW - Starrcade 95-Souled Out 98 - Diverse roster that is stacked top to bottom with top stars & awesome in-ring talent. Great angles & interesting things going on everywhere on the card. NJPW - 1984-1996 - Tremendous wrestling company with some incredible feuds, angles, & a large handful of the greatest matches of all-time. AJPW - 1991-1996 - Great booking & all-time great wrestling. TN/GA/AL Indies 2001-2007 - Total nostalgia as I grew up going to these shows every weekend.