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My quick thought is he doesn't get that high, but I sure wouldn't try to talk myself out of it if that's where he stands after an initial ranking.

Its super bizarre and yet the only conclusion you can come to after watching the matches.

Parv, great to see you dig into some random stuff from this period, BUT -- don't forget to revisit the 80s. I'm with you on just about everything here, but would urge that you give Bret/Austin at Survivor Series another look down the road. Its worth it. Eddy/Rey and Wyatt/Shield never reached anything approaching MOTY level for me that right about the four star level. Solid, but never saw the epic all-timers that others did. Curious to see you try on some other Shield 6-man tags, particularly the TLC one and others with Bryan in the mix.

The Steiner tags -- Beach Blast '92 & Clash '92.

Not sure that I can see anyone over Cena in WWE this year. What makes his 2015 so great is how he's made just about everything and everyone he's touched that much more interesting -- from Brock & Rollins at the Rumble to Rusev to the US Title, to Cesaro, to Zayn, to Owens to Rollins to Jon Fucking Stewart. Brock's been far and away the best part of WWE when there, which is never, but take away Cena and this year is hard to fathom.

All I've seen is the Park stuff and Muertes. Probably for good reason. Is there another match that even approaches this stuff?

Bryan: He seems like an absolute lock based on work alone and his record in the WON awards. If 17 Most Outstandings don't matter here then its tough to see how you can make a case for anyone based on a single factor. I know it can be done, and certainly believe that that a beyond significant drawing record should be enough based upon the impact that a huge draw can have on the very viability of a company and by extension the entire industry. Which in a very roundabout way gets us to Bryan's record as a draw. Based solely on a rough recollection he did better than average on top in ROH as champion/headliner. In his case perhaps that helps some voters who value that aspect of a candidacy. Personally I've yet to hear the case for anyone deserving consideration, much less induction, into the HOF based upon drawing on the indys. Until someone is responsible for an indy growing beyond that base I'm just not interested. It may not be fair, but earn a promotion to the major leagues and leave your mark there. However, I think Bryan offers enough on that stage for those grasping for something beyond ring work. He headlined Wrestlemania 30 and his role there very likely saved the show from the perspective of how it came off to a worldwide audience, and may have been responsible for it drawing the buyrate it did (arguable that it did over 600k buys because of network concerns, but I think its tough to conclusively say this was or wasn't attributable to Bryan). But we're talking about the draw and focus of a Mania, which I look at like a Finals or Super Bowl MVP. When you factor in repeat winners there have been far less than 31. Being on that list shouldn't put you in the HOF, but it should be enough to earn you consideration. Then again, if you don't think Bryan was one of the 5-10 best workers of the last 10-15 years than this moot and nothing else he did should put him over the hump. Orton: More than Batista, perhaps a base case for what the WON HOF ceiling is for a non-Cena WWE #2. The best thing I can say about him is that in almost any other era, a sustained run as arguably one of the few biggest performers in the top company in the country should be a strong enough case for inclusion. It doesn't here, even if that doesn't feel fair. Nakamura: Will unquestionably see a huge bump based on NJPW coverage the last few years. Wrestle Kingdom isn't Mania, and he hasn't been top 5 in the world for a decade at this point. Not at all shutting the door on him, but feels like a couple more years are needed to cement it. Styles: I simply haven't watched enough TNA to fairly judge him, which is something I hope to do over the next year. Easily my Most Outstanding for 2015 and deserving of major kudos for getting over as a foreigner in Japan the last 2 years. But again, no real points in my book for drawing in ROH or anywhere on the indys, so will need to feel out just where the work ranks as that seems the meat of his candidacy at this point.

They were definitely a tag team. Really enjoyed DDP almost throughout his WCW run, even in this chapter. Bigelow was a name that still excited me from his late 80s/early 90s WWF run, but as a unit they did nothing. Never loved Kanyon once the Mortis mask came off.

AA in the top 10 and Brock in the top 25. Can't see any chance I rate the enforcah that high, could see Brock anywhere from 10-15 spots higher or lower, but I love it all. ARN ANDUHSUN!

One day they need to work a blood angle and have Nigel freak out on air about hep. ~MONEY~

What about the '07 return match?

Somehow Bryan Alvarez is more annoying and abrasive than any WWE broadcaster.

I will never support a crowd pulling off chants about itself and simply working to get itself over, but if you're in the ring...do something about it. If you have a script to follow and can't call an audible to bring them in, that sucks. But I can't imagine a crowd is going to be so into marking out for itself that it'll completely ignore something awesome happening right before its eyes.

Gotta be.

We can't be that lucky.

Jerry... are you saying you were right two years ago or are right now? I disagree with modern Jerry but agree with old Jerry. I'm still legit confused by JVK's point. Not disagreeing -- legit not sure what the conclusion is. Ha my bad -- I thought we were talking about your theory on Cena and his # of world title reigns. I'm fully on board with the main event talk and agree with you 100%

Jerry... are you saying you were right two years ago or are right now? I disagree with modern Jerry but agree with old Jerry. I'm still legit confused by JVK's point. Not disagreeing -- legit not sure what the conclusion is.

That was an outstanding match and an all-time bad finish.

15 minute entrances and build up package For sure. But the trend in the Network era seems to be that PPVs finish closer to the hour than not, though Battleground was definitely an exception.

Ton of time left here. Curious what smoke and mirrors they break out.

So this is pretty damn cool -- https://twitter.com/SamoaJoe/status/635629114171486208