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Wish you all the best, my friend. You seem to have been extraordinarily brave in your reaction, all things considered. Pretty sure if I had cancer, I would have driven myself and my entire family mad. Hoping to keep hearing more good news. Also hoping that you don't get your wish of seeing Ric Flair win the GWE, but I am petty that way.

Ah, Owen has dropped. Should have checked first.

I think, even more than Shawn, Curt, Lesnar and Owen should drop soon. I am not saying they are bad wrestlers or anything, but we are approaching top 50, and that should be reserved for the best of the best.

Wait, has Punk not dropped yet? A top 60 position for him is way too high imo.

Welp, I will give an unpopular opinion again. To me, many of DDL's most famous performances remind me of Dean Malenko - technically flawless, but having no soul or emotion. His My Left Foot performance being a prime example. I did love him in Lincoln though, and liked him a lot in Gangs of New York.

I appreciate the fact that Citizen Kane was revolutionary for its time due to the techniques and methods used for filmmaking, but I am not sure if I will put it on my list of GOAT films because, well, it just does not entertain me to that extent. It might be due to the insane hype behind it, but I do not think that tells the whole story. The Godfather also is insanely hyped, like it was when I watched it the first time, and of anything, it over-delivered. I still randomly watch clips of some of my favourite scenes from the movie. The look on Pacino's face when he says it's not personal, it's just business, is pretty bone-chilling. At that instant, you realise that he is moving away from being the good son, and he will soon be at the point of no return.

It's crazy that Angle has actually climbed spots from 2006. I would have thought his fandom would have been at its peak ten years ago. Now, hopefully Shawn falls soon as well.

I know, and I never blamed WWE for being squeamish, although the Sunny example is also relevant here. I merely said that I hope our society soon gets to a place where the stigma around porn goes away, at least as far as the actors who participate in it are concerned. I am not going into the wider debate about exploitation and other criticisms.

Hoffman could be someone like Eddie, in a way. Rarely the main guy, but ridiculously great in every role he did. Struggled with drug addiction, which ultimately claimed his life. Danish, I love your Rock analogy, and like your Welles one, but - and this might be an unpopular opinion - I fucking hate Citizen Kane. Well, not hate, exactly. But I think it is terribly overrated.

If you take nothing but the absolute best performances, then Brando might win this. However, if Dylan's consistency measure has to be followed, then there is no chance. Way too many stinkers throughout his career. Post-prime also changes things. My personal GOAT is Robert De Niro. His run from Mean Streets, Bang the Drum Slowly in the early 70s to Jackie Brown - I must be the only one who loves that movie - and Analyse This in the late 90s is surreal for how unbelievably great it is. But if you include post-prime, then the dozens of giant turds he has laid the last 16-17 years or so will count against him. If you are looking for a limited run of concentrated quality, Pacino's work from 72-79 might be untouchable. I think - and I am probably in the minority here - that with the exception of a few gems, Pacino faded away strongly after the 70s, but that run is gold. It's like Samoa Joe's 2002-2006 run. Someone like Kevin Spacey could be compared to Rey Mysterio: he has quietly been good-to-excellent throughout his career. P.S - Goodfellas losing Best Picture to Dances with Wolves makes less sense than Triple H getting a number one vote.

Start a thread inviting opinions on who the better wrestler is - Ric Flair or Bret Hart. Talk about formula and having the same match every night.

This is not the place to discuss it, so I will be short: I hooe we as a society reach a stage one day when working in porn does not carry a taboo for its actors. Right now, people who make homophobic statements don't get nearly as much controversy than porn actors, and I find that completely ass-backwards. RIP Chyna.

Different strokes about charisma, I guess. I've watched a lot of Hogan footage, and Parv and co. have also made me watch a hell of a lot of Bruno, but to this day, I haven't seen a wrestler connect and get basically claimedd by the audience as their own the way Austin was. Of course, he is my most favourite wrestler ever, so I am obviously biased. I am interested in where Austin lands. I thought I was going to be the high vote on him, but then Jingus said Austin was in his top 10, so that is not happening.

I am not following the product, but is Reigns turning heel, or teasing a turn? In any case, it is refreshingly different from Cena's "You have every right to boo me, you excellent, important people!" shtick.

Okay, Kurt needs to drop soon, dammit.

I thought I was the youngest on the board at 23. I also look younger than I am. I was in America last year for a semester, and when I was buying beer, this woman looked very suspiciously at my Indian driving license and my birth date, as if she did not believe a single word of it.

Off-topic, but I am curoous about this: if an Indian dude who is a proud Hindu is signed by WWE, and then is shown to have the swastika tattooed - the millenia-old Hindu swastika, mind, not the Nazi perversion that Hitler stole - would the American public/corporate executives accept it? Hindus have been using it for a very, very long time; to them, it means nothing but a symbol of pace and good wishes, and is no different from a Christian tattooing the cross on their skin, but in PR and in the public spotlight, perception almost always matters more than reality.

Words cannot express how happy I am that Tajiri is still in this.

See, I thought of this topic as Lawler's "punches" v. Flair's chops. I thought all his punches were being collated into one spot. The way you say this is interesting; I am tempted to go watch my collection of Lawler-Dundee to see which punch he uses in what scenario.

I don't think either the Lawler punch or the Flair chop is multi-layered. I think both are just a simple offensive spot used to nove things along; like a lot of offensive spots, they can be used in multiple situations. So, it just comes down to the aesthetics for me. I recognise that some criticisms of Flaur are stupid, but when the man himself says that most of what he did, he did just to pop the audience, then you can hardly blame people for calling his spots that, and thinking your in-depth analysis of Flair's chops are hugely reaching. I watched Flair-Sting and Flair-Garvin yesterday, and I couldn't see any of the layers in his chops. Maybe I need to rewatch them. I am not saying you can't have your own interpretation of those chops, but it is hardly as if they conclusively debunk the tired criticism that frustrate you. I am sure if you tried really hard, you could also see the Flair flop as a clever strategic move to lull his opponent into a false sense of security and underestimate Naitch, but ultimately, it's still a stock spot, which some hate and some don't mind.

I would pick Lawler's punches, simply because aesthetically, Lawler punching and breaking down his opponents looks so much more beautiful to me than Flair's chops. I don't like chops in general, so there is that.

I am always surprised when Khali gets praised haha. People used to loathe him back in the day. I still maintain that giving him a token world title run was a good business move. His title win was reported on all the "pulpy" news channels here, he became a hugely recognisable star, and now India is WWE's 3rd biggest market. Really, I am surprised they are not trying to recruit more people from here. I guess the fact that Khali was an aberration in the sense that most Indians are smaller than Americans plays a part here, given Vince's love for huge men.

I think I might be irrationally hateful of the slow sweet chin music spot because of my utter dislike of HBK's facial expressions and selling when he is trying to show how he is exhausted and yet wants to fight. That running his hands through his hair and screaming is only slightly better than Edge's psycho shit. It is pretty striking that Hulk Hogan, someone who in so many ways was much less skilfull than both, would do the exhausted babyface trying to catch his breath and go all out spot so ridiculously better.

I voted for him, but it was with a heavy heart. I think what made me do that was that I listen to a bunch of Beatles almost every day, despite Lennon being a flaming asshole, although his misdrmeanours obviously cannot even be compared to murdering your wife and child. Still, in a GOAT music conversation, I wouldn't at all hesitate to put The Beatles at no. 1, and I try to not be a hypocrite as much as I can, although obviously I don't succeed always.

Wow, the objectivity/subjectivity and the entire greatest vs favourites divide was just as strong 10 years ago.