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I think it would be hard to justify the cost of licensing those songs versus the perceived bump they would get from new subscribers coming on strictly because of the music. I'd imagine the status quo (people will watch regardless of the music) would win out here. Would be awesome though.

What about the AWA Results pod from Good Will Wrestling? That was definitely 3 hours +

3 hours and 20 minutes !

DVDs and video games brought me back in late 2004 after I stopped for a good two years. I wanted to recapture the fun I had with the THQ/AKI N64 games (failed but Day of Reckoning was an ok series) and then I found Shawn Michaels: From the Vault. I collected a little and watched thoroughly for a while but stopped for another two years (fall 2006-fall 2008) before coming back for good.

I liked the Race/Rich match here a lot. Solid *** old man 6-minute wrestling match (I'm sure such a category exists). I don't agree there wasn't a story here - sure it was a one shot deal but Race laid out the beef in his promo. I thought that was a cool-as-shit 9 year callback there to Rich and '81. I don't need anything more than that. Question for the group - is this Race's last good match?

The hold work was admittedly pretty boring here and it doesn't go anywhere. I did like Owen's flashes in the middle of the match. The sequence where he held up on the dive and then hit a dropkick to the outside was pretty sweet. Then roughing Liger up into the barricade as well. Then we get into some solid bomb throwing the rest of the way. Owen definitely looks like the better wrestler. Some good roll-up sequences with hot nearfalls. They got the crowd kind of into it by the end. I was real underwhelmed early but the second half salvaged this.

Crowd was amped for Jake here. Cool to see such heat behind the feud.

Perfect's bumping is just phenomenal as many have mentioned. "Springs in his legs" is a good anecdote Parv. Even to the ring post outside, the guy just flies around. I thought it was interesting - Perfect also hit Hogan with the Perfectplex in the Rumble although it did little damage despite Hogan having been in the Rumble for a good bit longer than Perfect. I can't see Warrior missing a cue there, seems like they really wanted to play up a little arrogance from the heel team. Especially after the choreographed blocks Hogan hits when each guy goes off the top rope. Ventura never missed Hogan slapping Warrior on the back of the head to tag himself in. Warrior totally no sold this also - he could have turned around in anger after seeing Hogan get the pin but instead he did nothing, until the accidental clothesline later.

Caudle's cadence epitomizes a 1980s college football play-by-pay man. Every time I listen to him I feel like I'm tuning into a New Year's Day bowl game. His whole flow plays into my suspension of disbelief and makes it seem like it's more sport than show.

This begins and ends with his Hell in a Cell circle jerk with Shawn Michaels in 2004. I think a "Most boring match of all-time" thread is way too broad but maybe a "Most boring Main Event of a major show"?

I'll second this. As an aside - where is the goodhelmut hall? Is there a physical location on the internet for this? Can we build it?

^ His stuff with Sheamus was pretty damn good.

I thought Larry Z had a lot of energy in the 79 stuff I watched. Wasn't boring at all.

Man I love custom SilverVision DVD art. Shame they left the business.

We're not all young-ins like Chad though so don't feel too bad. I was 19 at the time. Thanks for checking it out!

First off Parv, EVIL Jim Herd was certainly within his authority to set up lumberjacks to keep the Horsemen at bay. I mean, Woman got suspended indefinitely for trying to hide a foreign object at Capital Combat. The Horsemen screwed up the ending of his last two PPVs. He still doesn't know if Ole was behind raising the cage (23 year cliff hanger) and I'm sure he's still investigating to this day. I love that he made a cameo when they handcuffed Ole. EVIL Jim is SERIOUS BUSINESS. I never realized until re-watching Sting's promo with Gordon Sollie that the match was also No DQ. Sting obviously wanted this so the Horsemen couldn't turn it into a schmooze but at the same time, at any time the Steiners could have gotten in the ring and destroyed Flair. Little bit odd that Sting got ALL that from EVIL Jim Herd. I don't know if Sting was overexposed but given their reliance on him as a big baby face, I don't think it was terrible that he was around. He was an integral part of the end of Wrestle War (friendship with Luger) and since the Horsemen injured him, he wasn't out of place in forming a face team and still staying in the spotlight. I think it would have been pretty odd for him to disappear for months only to return and win right away. Plus Lex couldn't carry the baby end of the promotion. re: the lumberjacks I liked the continuity with the Steiners there as they were Team Sting from way back when he first got hurt. It was cool that they were part of the pay off. I liked the blow-off there being that they finally stymied the attempted interference (I'm not sure JYD moved - actually you can't see him on the ramp helping so he may not have made it in time, which is horrible) from the Horsemen. El Gigante is such a jerk, he only gives Ole half a seat to sit on. Thoughts on the actual match: I don't have a problem with it being just 16 minutes because i'm sure there were limitations to Sting injury-wise, especially from a conditioning standpoint. Plus, they'd end up just repeating the same sequences like that Clash I match. I liked Chad's point about adding on 10 minutes of Flair working him over and that would have been ideal because, when watching this back, this match is essentially a Sting squash. Sting is NEVER in danger. Flair gets work in on the knee (early too - which I liked) but never gets him in the Figure Four (until the end when he is rolled up and pinned). Sting doesn't sell anything for longer than five seconds and may be the worst seller on offense of all-time. His Scorpion Deathlock is atrocious in this match. Flair's only pin attempt is with his feet on the ropes at the very end (after he shoulders Sting in the gut from the apron) and Scott Steiner knocks them off immediately to break it up (they do briefly do the bridge out into a backslide so technically Ric got a 1 count there I guess also). That's it for Sting ever being in peril. I think if they layer that on a bit more to build sympathy for Sting and his comeback, this ends up considerably better. I did like the celebration. Great call from Jim Ross and great eruption from the crowd. The Dudes with Attitude and Steiners celebrating is a nice touch. Sting's promo at the end is almost like a shoot to those questioning if he should be champ and have the torch passed to him. Flair and the Horsemen injured him! He got his revenge with the stipulations he insisted on. This was pretty weak imo.

Here's the piece Chad and I put together: http://placetobenation.com/the-ten-best-ha...-havoc-matches/

You could kind of gleam this when he hit his running knee on HHH. Their envisioned payoff was Bryan finally blasting HHH, even though Big Show already did it (which makes it considerably devalued). So much for that Bryan/HHH match. Along the way Bryan pinned Cena clean and was generally booked strong in matches with Orton. He was not buried in those matches by any means - but neither Bryan or Orton "won" with those finishes. Bryan putting HBK in the YES lock was the payoff to the HiaC match - which is pretty terrible. Punk got a year-long run with the title months after his hot angle cooled off. I don't see that happening here so while Bryan was certainly elevated - I don't think he's at Punk's level. Has Bryan been Luger'd? Parv asked me that the other day. You may need another 6 months to really answer that question as there was faint hope that his story would lead through winning the Rumble.

^ Not to mention, Orton hasn't hit a RKO in any of their three matches yet. I thought for sure they'd do some kicking out of finishers last night since they built up to it for months but it's still on the table. Bryan "won" NOC and had the visual pinfall/submission at Battleground also. Last night Orton hit a fallaway slam and then complained when HBK couldn't count. They could have done a RKO there to really sell a visual win for Orton before the screwjob and they didn't.

Chad - love that you mention Gigante doing nothing during the brawl - which was exactly what he did at the end of Capital Combat also!

These are very close to my thoughts as well. HHH whining outside the cage before the ref bump was easily the worst part of the main event. HBK "instinctively" super kicking Bryan was reminiscent of the HHH/Taker HiaC match that he reffed also. HBK didn't turn heel there either - and I expect him to play up how he begrudingly had to count the fall. Still, letting those guys overshadow the full-time guys was pretty ugly. Here are my thoughts from last night (real-time though as the show as going on): http://placetobenation.com/hell-in-a-cell-2013-live-blog/

See, when I hear bounty hunter I think "bail bondsmen" like Dog the Bounty Hunter. Parv inflected it like Bam Bam was Boba Fett and taking mercenary/kill jobs or something.

Dylan - having been to Charleston myself (and they talked about Hugo 20 years later) was the sub-title "Coastal Crush" a little too early? Biggest rock bands of 1990: Metallica, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Guns N' Roses, Freebirds, Billy Joel, Phil Collins (U2 was big but inbetween the Rattle and Hum tour and Achtung Baby release)

Looked forward to this one when I saw it on the list as 4-on-4 is a lot of fun ,even with the Dudes dragging the awesome-ratio down. See and I thought Douglas kicked out at two and they counted the finish anyway. Really looked like he miscounted it, even after taking forever to get into position.

Mark's exaggerated facial expressions are pretty funny compared to what his character has been for the last 20+ years.