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I have yet to watch the matches, but I am just wrapping up the podcast. On Marty's point about the build of the feud, it doesn't seem like it's a coincidence that Santana was involved in a feud like that. His Valentine singles feud is also well-remembered, seemingly for a lot of the same reasons. Also, it seems like Martel is big on putting a lot of energy into his matches, which makes you think he's willing to invest more than the average wrestler into a feud or match. So you put them into a feud with guys who are going to put the effort in and it's going to pay off.

Have a great day everybody! Whether you celebrate Thanksgiving or not I hope you get the chance to spend time with family and friends. I third the thanks for starting the best wrestling message board on the 'net and extend that to all of the people who are a part of it and help keep it that way.

I'm going to again say that my roster should be drafted. There are two other (one recently) open promotions besides and leaving all those guys sitting seems silly. The voting was for "general draft & leaving promotions for new writers as necessary." If more are against it than for it, that's fine. Here's where my guys will be in the near future. Goldie Rogers 11/10 - 2/28 Southwest Can Ams ( Brunzell & Lafon) 11/16 - 12/7 Japan Lefebvre/Dewey Robertson 11/24 - 12/13 Japan Can Ams 12/8 - 1/10 AWA Midnights 12/14-17 Mid South

International Wrestling November 25th, 183 (Taped November 23rd, 1983, Colisée de Trois-Rivieres, Trois-Rivieres, QC) 3500 fans, sellout Opening Interview/Matches 0:00 - 10:30 The opening montage leads to a shot of Dave Kochen in the ring with Jacques, Sr. Kochen is clearly feeling the effects of the beating he received at the hands of Goldie Rogers two weeks ago. Jacques, Sr.: Mr. Kochen it is good to see you again. Two weeks ago you had an absolute war with Goldie Rogers and we haven’t seen either of you since. Kochen: It was a Hell of a match, Jacques, Sr. He put as good a beating on me as I’ve ever taken, but I never gave up. Jacques, Sr.: It seems to me you had a plan going into that match. Kochen: Yeah, Rogers is always so concerned about his face and his hair. He thinks he’s some kind of ladies’ man. I thought if I could bust him open, he’d think better of it. Jacques, Sr.: And it worked out that you were right. Let’s hope that Rogers doesn’t hold a grudge for very long. He’s a man with quite a vicious streak. Kochen: That much I know, Jacques, Sr. But I don’t think we’ll be seeing much of him for a while. When a man runs away from a match in front of that big of a crowd, not to mention the TV audience, he’s not going to show his face for a while. Jacques, Sr.: I can only hope you’re right, Mr. Kochen. Dave Kochen, ladies and gentlemen. Let’s hear it for a double tough young man who made good! The crowd cheers big for Kochen as Jacques, Sr. exits the ring and heads to the announce table. Tim Gerrard comes out to almost no reaction at all. Dave Kochen vs. Tim Gerrard Kochen takes the majority of the match, working over the ribs of Gerrard. Marcus makes a short comeback, catching Kochen with a rollup for a two. Kochen took control again, hit a vertical suplex and put Gerrard in an abdominal stretch for the victory. Dave Kochen by submission with an abdominal stretch 4:15 Jacques, Sr. Calls that an impressive victory for an impressive young man as Kochen has a short celebration in the ring. The camera cuts to Jacques, Sr. and he talks about the rest of the card. Dino Bravo will be in a big 8 man tag in the main event! Back in the ring, Steve Regal awaits his opponent and it is the debuting Brad Rheingans. Kochen and Rhengans pass one another in the entrance aisle and Kochen stops just short of the curtain to watch the match. Rheingans gets very little reaction from the crowd. Jacques, Sr. puts Rheingans over as an Olympic level amateur wrestler. Brad Rheingans vs. Steve Regal Rheingans shows off his amateur skills in controlling the match early. Regal is able to get in some offense by cheating, but Rheingans is simply too much for him. Rheingans finishes Regal off with a belly to belly suplex with a lot of snap. Brad Rheingans by pinfall after a belly to belly suplex 4:07 Kochen, still in the entrance aisle, applauds the efforts of Rheingans. Jacques, Sr. is impressed with the young man’s skill in the ring. Commercial Break 10:30 - 20:00 We come back from commercial to a shot of the ring with Mike Sharpe entering the arena. He gets a small reaction and Jacques, Sr. is impressed with the man’s conditioning & physique. Joel Deaton comes out to some boos and ignores the fans. Jacques, Sr. isn’t sure the big boot Deaton has been using to knock people out around Quebec is entirely legal. Mike Sharpe vs. Joel Deaton The two big men (280 and 290) lock up and attempt to use their strength to overwhelm one another. Sharpe takes the first advantage, working over Deaton’s arm for a while. Deaton comes back, attacking Sharpe’s neck with holds and brawling. Sharpe appears to be getting the advantage back when he runs into a Deaton big boot and goes down hard. Deaton covers for the three. Joel Deaton by pinfall after a big boot 7:31 Sharpe is still out when Deaton has exited ringside to the back and Jacques, Sr. has to believe that Deaton has something in that boot. Commercial Break 20:00 - 31:00 Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland & Dan Johnson are making their way to the ring as the crowd boos when we return from commercial. Jacques, Sr. is sick of seeing Charland with the belt. Louis Laurence and Tony Ricco come out of the back to cheers, playing to the fans as they walk to the ring. Jacques, Sr. talks about how both men have come close to taking that title away from Charland. Predictably, Charland and Johnson attack pre-match but the faces turn it around on them quickly. Louis Laurence & Tony Ricco vs. Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland & Dan Johnson Referee Pierre Bertrand has his hands full getting things settled down, but manages to get it down to Ricco and Johnson in the ring, Ricco taking it to Johnson with right hands and tagging to Laurence. Johnson fights back, but the faces use quick tags to keep control until Charland cheapshots Ricco, giving Johnson the chance to tag out. Charland and Johnson work on Ricco’s neck with headlocks, Charland often cheating to keep Ricco from getting any kind of momentum built up for a comeback. Ricco crawls between Johnson’s legs and tags Laurence, but Charland has Bertrand distracted and he doesn’t see the tag. Laurence finally takes the hot tag and runs over both Charland and Johnson. Laurence knocks Johnson off the apron a second time, but Charland uses that distraction to get behind Laurence and roll him backwards into a pinning combination and grabs two handfuls of tights for the three. Richard Charland by pinfall over Laurence with an O’Connor roll with two handfuls of tights 9:22 Laurence is furious, but Charland rolls out of the ring, grabs his belt and retreats up the aisle quickly with Johnson, taunting Laurence as the crowd boos. Jacques, Sr. can’t hide his disgust with Charland and his underhanded tactics. Commercial Break 31:00 - 48:00 Mad Dog Lefebvre and Gilles Poisson are on their way to the ring when we come back from commercial. Neither seems very happy and the boos from the crowd don’t help. Jacques, Sr. talks about how both have been upset with the other for taking pinfall losses lately. Lefebvre had asked for this match as a last chance for Poisson to prove to him that he was a good partner. Quebec TV Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors come out with Lou Albano to near-deafening boos. Albano and his charges soak in the boos, Albano getting pelted with garbage just after reaching ringside. Jacques, Sr. isn’t sure this is the team for Lefebvre & Poisson to regain their momentum against, given their recent history. Lafebvre and Poisson attack the two tongans on their way into the ring. Quebec TV Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors vs. Mad Dog Lefebvre & Gilles Poisson in a title match (15 minute time limit) The attack only seems to enrage the Tongans, but Lefebvre and Poisson fight like men possessed. Lefebvre and Tonga John are both busted open halfway through the match. Head referee Adrian Desbois has stretches of several minutes where he can keep two wrestlers in the ring, but the match always breaks down sooner rather than later. Lefebvre and Tonga John spill outside, leaving Poisson and King Tonga in the ring. Poisson grabs the King for a bearhug after clothesline, but the Tongan wrestler jambs his thumb into the side of Poisson’s neck, hitting a nerve. King Tonga covers for a three count. King Tonga by pinfall over Poisson with a thumb spike 13:52 Lefebvre, realizing what happened, slides into the ring and gets in Poisson’s face. Poisson shoves him and Lefebvre comes back with a right hand to his partner. Albano pulls his charges back, glaring at the area of the crowd where he was pelted with garbage from earlier. Poisson and Lefebvre brawl to the floor, Lefebvre bouncing Poisson’s head of of the ringpost and straddling him, raining down punches. Security and half the locker room rush ringside just after Poisson reverses positions and starts punching down on Lefebvre. Albano sees his opportunity and orders the Terrors into the crowd he had been eyeing earlier. King Tonga and Tonga John grab chairs and menace the people in the crowd, even swinging wildly at a few of the bigger men in the crowd. The 280 pound Poisson is finally pulled off of Lefebvre, both bloody and half of the men who came out to ringside run over to contain the Tongan Terrors in the crowd. Albano is in the ring with a mic. Albano: Last week we showed anyone who cares to watch what happens when you make us angry. Frank Valois hit us with a huge fine, but do you think we care? We’re the TV champions! These men you see out at ringside are doing well despite Frank Valois’ efforts to make our lives miserable. In fact, I think they’re having as much fun as they ever do in the ring right now. Let’s hear it for your TV champions! Most of the crowd boos, those that aren’t fleeing from the chairs swinging wildly back and forth as the Terrors hold off the security force. Lefebvre and Poisson have been separated and are being escorted to the back as more security makes it’s way to the Tongans. Jacques, Sr. can’t believe the pandemonium and hopes things will be cleared up when we return from commercial. Commercial Break 48:00 - 50:00 Jacques, Sr. is in the backstage interview area flanked by Poisson and Lefebvre, each with three members of security around to keep them from fighting. By the looks of both that is a necessary precaution. Jacques, Sr.: Welcome back fans, we are still trying to get ringside cleared up and want to take this time to speak with Gilles Poisson and Mad Dog Lefebvre. Gentlemen, you two have been tag team partners for some time. It seems like that has come to an end. Poisson: It didn’t have to go this way, Pierre. But you just couldn’t let go of whatever got into you after the Vachon match. Lefebvre: What got into me?? Nothing got into me, old man. You have been dragging me down since we started teaming and it took that match to make me see it! Poisson: Dragged you down!? I watched your back. I helped you win matches! You ungrateful little- The two nearly come to blows but are pulled back by security. Poisson: We are done! Lefebvre: Damn right we are! I’m going to find a real tag partner! When I have one of those Canadian International Tag Team belts around my waist everyone will know that you held me back for too long! Lefebvre stomps off angrily, pushing the security personnel aside. The six men stay off to one side now. Jacques, Sr.: That could have gone better, Gilles, but this seems like it has been coming for some time. Poisson; I don’t know what got into him, Jacques. Things were- Poisson is hit from behind as Lefebvre flies back into the shot. Lefebvre starts beating down on Poisson, but the big man stands up and starts brawling with Lefebvre. Security, recovering from the initial shock, rush in and break it up. Jacques, Sr.: Fans, we have certainly had a wild show tonight and it doesn’t look to be getting any better. Up next we have our main event, an eight man tag featuring Dino Bravo, Gino Brito and the Midnight Express! Commercial Break & Upcoming Events 50:00 - 65:00 The teams of Dino Bravo, Gino Brito, Tony Parisi & Armand Rougeau and Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Midnight Express & Earth and Sky are in the ring when we come back from commercial. Creatchman is at ringside yelling at Jacques, Sr. about his champions again wrestling on television. Dino Bravo, Gino Brito, Tony Parisi & Armand Rougeau vs. Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Midnight Express & Earth and Sky The brawl is on early as Bravo and Brito go right at the Midnight Express. Referee Pierre Bertrand cannot get things settled down as Parisi and Rougeau brawl with Earth and Sky on the floor. Bravo isolates Rose after a short while and the faces use quick tags to work him over. Brito’s aggression gets the better of him and he winds up chasing Rose right into a 3 on one attack in the heel corner. Brito is the victim of a beatdown by all four of Creatchman’s charges. He tries punching his way out of trouble only for Kamiguchi to dropkick him in the back after coming into the ring to cut him off. Kamiguchi ends up eating Brito’s right hands as well, but Condrey grabs him by the tights just in time to stop a tag. Brito finally makes the tag to Armand, who comes in and lays into the entire heel team with right hands. Kamiguchi distracts Rougeau long enough for Ishimoto to hit a loaded headbutt, but Bravo is quick to break up the pin attempt. Armand takes a big beating from the heels, focused mainly on his neck. He gets cut off multiple times before tagging in Bravo. The crowd erupts as Bravo comes in and destroys everything in front of him. Brito and Parisi attack Condrey and Ishimoto on the floor while Bravo uses the airplane spin on Kamiguchi. Kamiguchi rolls to the floor after being dumped by Bravo and Armand flies in with a dropkick to Rose’s back as he is close to blindsiding Bravo. Rougeau turns Rose over and starts raining punches down on his face. Bertrand forces Armand out of the ring, but the youngster climbs up to the top rope from the apron and comes flying off with a fist drop as Bravo urges hmi on and gets the crowd behind him. Bravo picks up Rose for an airplane spin, getting the three after letting him hit the mat. Dino Bravo over Randy Rose with an airplane spin 14:47 Jacques, Sr. is ecstatic on commentary, calling this a major victory for the IWA over Creatchman and his group. Remember to tune in next week when Brito & Parisi and the Midnight Express face off in a six man tag! Dark matches Pre-Show Rene Goulet defeated Joe Marcus with a scorpion claw hold Jake Roberts defeated Bob marcus with a DDT

Amazing match, that. One of Taue's better singles matches in my mind.

Stellar work on this topic again. It could be because this is a period of wrestling I experienced as it happened, but this is one of my favorite topics in a podcast and the four of you always seem to do it well.

I don't recall saying that it hurt WCCW. My point was that it may hurt our viewing of the matches in later years rather than help it. I think it helped WCCW because it was what the fans wanted to see.

I didn't notice it against Flair either. They seemed to make sure that the champ looked good when he came through. They got their licks in for sure, but when the time came to make Flair look like he truly was the man they did just that. I just don't think it applied to people within the territory that they were feuding with.

I recently started my WCCW watchings and some criticisms of the Von Erichs jumped out at me right away as not way off. They do have a tendency to not be truly "in peril" very often. Sure, Kerry will make it look like Flair has him in real danger. But it seems like even against the Freebirds there is a distinct lack of true danger to Kevin, Kerry or David. They just don't give the impression that all three Freebirds beating up on one Von Erich is anything more than a temporary setback. I will also say that the family was over enough that they had no real need to do that. The whole point is to build sympathy and make the crowd desperately want to see the faces come back. I would venture to guess that you give the Freebirds (or anyone else) about a minute of mostly sustained offense and the crowd is going to explode when whatever Von Erich is in the ring starts brawling back. So in a lot of ways, to me at least, this is something that forgives the often long shine/short heat structure of the matches in WCCW. It's what the fans seem to want to see and keeps them showing up. Even if it doesn't seem like the optimal way of putting a match together to some of us as wrestling fans now I think that we have to look at it through the lens of the 1980s WCCW fan. Did those fans really want to see Hayes, Gordy and Roberts beating up on one Von Erich for seven or eight minutes straight? Or did they want to see their beloved Von Erichs kicking ass and taking names? I know Loss has talked about trying to judge matches and wrestlers based on the conditions of the time and I think this territory is a prime example of that. Thoughts?

Lawler/Dundee LLT in 86 is a finish I don't like tacked on to a great match. Drops the match down a fair bit for me. Kerry/Flair on Christmas of 82 had a finish that made me like the match more than some of the body of the match. It accomplished a lot of what they set out to do without going overboard like the body of the match. Brock/Reigns the finish ruined the match for me. I understand why they did it and agree with the logic, but that doesn't make me think it works in any way with the rest of the match. A lot of the AWA set was frustrating for me because all of the finishes had to be explained by the referee in big matches. Nothing was a cut and dried "win", but there would be some strange circumstance that required a DQ or no contest. A lot of the matches on that set would have benefitted from an actual finish, even if it were some kind of a roll-up. The more All Japan finish runs I see the more I think they should have had things like roll-up finishes now and again. Or the occasional Kobashi moonsault or Akiyama northern lights, Misawa's frog splash, some submission wins here and there, etc. put somebody away. It would have added more to the matches in the long run I think. Because if you know what a guy has been using for a finisher at the time it ends up being a bit predictable that somebody is going to kick out of the old finisher even after the 30 minute mark.

That's fair, but I do think it says something that even Taue or Akiyama (in my view) had better matches on average with Hansen than Misawa. I thought the Hansen matches put Misawa over really well and were in no way bad, but were missing something in the end, even the 8/92 and 5/93 bouts.

I liked this better than the McGraw/Madril match very much due to Checkmate's constant use of the turtle position in that match. It's far better as a surprise move to turn the tide than a constant tactic. I thought they did a good job of getting over both of the heels gimmicks throughout the match and giving the babyfaces enough time to shine. Madril still seems like he's not quite a babyface regardless of what everything about this match wants me to believe.

I think one reason for the match continuing was so that the 'birds could get out of the arena alive. I think you're dead on on a lot of things, but do not think this was as good a match as you do. Both Flair and Kerry getting frustrated with Hayes as the ref and that costing them valuable momentum multiple times seemed out of place to me in a NWA World Championship match though. That aspect of it just seemed wrong and out of place. I'm of the opinion that there ought to be more of a sense that momentum switches are earned through the actions of the wrestlers involved in matches like this. Here it seems like you have the X-factor of Hayes sticking his nose in, deservedly or no, and that takes a lot away from the match.

On the early 80s tags, yeah I would agree Hansen was very much working along with Brody to put himself over to the largest degree possible. I will also say that after a while Hansen figured out that he was a household name in Japan and no longer needed to do that. That's when he started to realize the effect he could have on the careers of people like Misawa, Kawada, Kobashi, Taue and Akiyama. I wouldn't say he was planning on that being the case while he was doing it, but his obsessive putting himself over as a badass in Japan set up the 90s run all the same. I would also say that in his U.S. work during the 80's he was far more giving and willing to show ass as a heel. My guess would be that at some point Hansen had a change in the way he thought about wrestling and started to use his (ill-gotten? I'm sure to some) fame to aid the careers of the young workers around him. At the same time, he kept true to his straightforward style. I've read interviews where he said that he would go at his opponents and see how they reacted, then proceed from there. You can certainly see that in his bouts with Kawada and Kobashi. One thing I always appreciated about him in the early 1990's was that he worked every one of the four pillars differently, very often in a way that complimented what they did. The glaring exception there is Misawa, who Hansen never seemed to click well with. It may be due to Misawa trying to adapt to Hansen's style, or his perceptions of it, while Hansen was trying to do the same.

I can't possibly agree more! I absolutely loved how that match was worked. Possibly some of the smartest "simple" work I've ever seen. The follow-up LLT has a great Lawler comeback, but this match was better IMO.

It's my recollection that we voted "sometimes leave the territory and sometimes draft" for that particular option. I'll go back and look to be sure, but I think it's a perfectly viable option.

I have one more show written, which puts me at the 25th of November. After that I'm finished. I've got a pretty stacked roster so it might be a good idea to draft off of it instead of letting it sit there. I have a master list of dates that the wrestlers will be working in other promotions I can copy and paste from just to keep things in order.

International Wrestling November 18th, 1983 (Taped November 16th, 1983, Colisée de Rimouski, Rimouski, QC) 4,900 fans Opening Match 0:00 - 10:30 The opening montage leads to a shot of the ring with Jacques, Sr. welcoming the fans to another great evening of International Wrestling. Tony Ricco exits the curtain to cheers and he plays to the fans on his way to the ring. Jacques, Sr. wants Louis Laurence to take the Quebec Heavyweight title from Richard Charland, but wouldn’t mind seeing Ricco do the same thing tonight. Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland comes out to a lot of boos. Jacques, Sr. Is sure that Charland will lose his title soon because he is an undeserving champion. Tony Ricco vs. Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland in a title match Charland starts cheating early, going right to the eyes on a lockup followed by a flurry of right hands. Ricco comes firing back with right hands and a few boots to the stomach. Ricco controls the match for a while, focusing heavily on Charland’s ribs. Charland escapes to the outside and leads Ricco on a chase around the ring before stomping on the challenger as he tries following him into the ring. Charland works a chinlock, cheating to keep Ricco grounded whenever he starts getting to his feet. Ricco makes a big comeback and hits a dropkick that sends Charland out of the ring. Referee Andre Roy is trying to get Charland back into the ring when Dan Johnson comes out of the back and drops Ricco throat-first over the top rope after jumping on the apron. Roy is quick to toss Johnson, but Charland picks Ricco up and hits a piledriver to get the three. Richard Charland by pinfall after a piledriver to retain 8:36 Johnson starts back towards the ring after Roy starts the count. Charland and Johnson start in on Ricco only to scatter when Louis Laurence charges the ring. Jacques, Sr. cannot believe that Charland will resort to such tactics to keep the belt. He is glad that Laurence was quick to hit the ring, minimizing the damage done by Johnson and Charland. Jacques, Sr. runs down the rest of the card before we go to commercial. Commercial Break 10:30 - 21:30 We return from commercial to Gilles Poisson on his way to the ring, clearly not in a good mood. The crowd is booing and Jacques, Sr. wonders whether or not Poisson and Lefebvre will recover from their loss last week. Jake Roberts is next out and there are some cheers to go with the majority of boos he gets. Jacques, Sr. hopes Roberts will be a little easier to figure out this week. Jake Roberts vs. Gilles Poisson Roberts is slow to start the match again, avoiding locking up with the bigger Poisson. Jake stalls on the floor, further irritating the already upset Poisson. Poisson gets an advantage when Jake starts brawling with him, but Roberts suckers him into a big miss that sends him tumbling over the top rope. Poisson looks to be hurt and Roberts gives an evil grin in the ring, pointing to his own head. Jake slithers down to the floor and begins methodically working Poisson over. Poisson makes a few comebacks, but Roberts always cuts him off by going back to the knee Poisson hurt falling to the floor. Poisson gets a rush of offense, looking for in his bearhug, but Roberts brings a knee up into Poisson’s groin as referee Pierre Bertrand is unable to see. Poisson slumps forward, right into position for Jake to grab his head and hit the DDT for the three. Jake Roberts by pinfall after a DDT 9:11 Jacques, Sr. is incensed at how Jake got Poisson in position for the DDT. Poisson has done as much, but it’s no excuse for a man who has never met poisson in the ring to use those tactics. Mad Dog Lefebvre comes out to the ring and starts arguing with a recovering Poisson as Jake leaves ringside to more boos. Commercial Break 21:30 - 36:00 Phil Lafon and Jim Brunzell are in the ring with Jacques, Sr. when we come back from break, looking very intense. Jacques, Sr.: Well, gentlemen, tonight is your chance to take the television titles away from the Tongan Terrors. Brunzell: That’s exactly what we mean to do, Jacques, Sr. Lafon: These fans deserve better TV champions than those two brutes. Jacques, Sr.: It seems to me that you two have been the target of both Albano and his Terrors and Sergeant Slaughter since you arrived here. Lafon: Who is to say those aren’t one and the same? Albano likes to talk about how we started this, but all we ever did was come in here and work hard night in and night out to win matches. Brunzell: It can be looked at as a blessing in disguise, Jacques, Sr. We have come a long way in the four and a half months we’ve spent here. Part of that is all the challenges we’ve faced along the way. Jacques, Sr.: Challenges I’m sure you two will come out on top of. The Can Am Express, ladies and gentlemen. Let’s hear it for two really deserving young men. The crowd cheers loudly for Lafon and Brunzell as Jacques, Sr. leaves the ring. Lou Albano, a dark look on his face, leads Quebec TV Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors to the ring as the cheers turn to loud boos. Jacques, Sr. talks about how Albano has promised bad things would happen to Lafon next time he faced the Terrors. The Can Am Express vs. Quebec TV Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors in a title match (15 minute time limit) Brunzell and Lafon come out all guns blazing, using quick tags to take both Tongans off their feet within the first five minutes. The Tongans bring things back to even, but can never gain any extended advantage over the fired up Can Am Express. Brunzell is brawling on the outside with King Tonga when King Tonga rams his head into the ringpost twice right in front of head referee Adrian Desbois. Desbois has no choice but to disqualify the Tongans. The Can Am Express win by disqualification 10:24 Lafon goes to Brunzell’s aid post-match, only for Tonga John to catch him from behind with big forearm clubs. At Albano’s urging the Tongans send Lafon back into the ring and start taking apart his leg. King Tonga heads to the outside, grabbing Lafon’s feet and pulling him into the corner groin-first. He wraps the young Canadian’s leg around the post several times before grabbing a chair from an unlucky fan in the front row and tossing it in to Tonga John. Tonga John proceeds to destroy Lafon’s knee with the chair as Tonga John hits a recovering but still groggy Brunzell with a huge dropkick of his own, sending him flying back into the guard rail. The King slams Brunzell’s head into the post again and pulls him up one more time for a big thumb spike. Tonga John stops whacking at Lafon’s leg and wraps the chair around the leg before stomping on it. King Tonga comes flying off the ropes with a leaping elbow drop onto the chair that has Lafon screaming in pain. Tonga John comes off the top rope with a headbutt to the chair that only makes it worse. By this time security and half the locker room have emptied into the arena and the leading edges hit the ring. Jacques, Sr. has been screaming for help since the chair came into play. We go to commercial as the Terrors are pushed out of the ring by a mob of security and wrestlers. Commercial Break 36:00 - 47:00 Jacques, Sr. is still upset after the actions of the Tongan Terrors when we return from commercial. He knows heavy fines or more will be levied for the brutal attack on the Can Am Express. Dan Johnson comes out to some boos. Jacques, Sr. wonders if Johnson wouldn’t be better off without his partner Richard Charland. Louis Laurence comes out to a good amount of cheers. Jacques, Sr. is impressed with Laurence’s tenacity in chasing Charland and his partner Johnson despite all of the setbacks. Louis Laurence vs. Dan Johnson Laurence and Johnson lock up, the bigger Johnson getting the advantage. Johnson uses clubbing forearms and punches, but Laurence fires back with right hands and elbow smashes. Laurence starts working the leg after shooting in for a single leg takedown. Johnson comes back with attacks aimed at Laurence’s back and ribs, cinching in a bearhug for some time. Laurence fires up and hits a barrage of rights and elbows, capped with a dropkick. Johnson kicks out at two and holds his ground when Laurence tries to pick him up for a bodyslam. Laurence switches over to a front facelock and Johnson backs him into the ropes when he sees Regal and Charland coming out of the back. Referee Andre Roy yells at both Charland and Regal, regal leading Roy off to the side while Charland grabs a chair and swings it at Laurence’s back. Laurence avoids the shot and Johnson takes it right in the face, falling backwards. Laurence locks in a half crab, but Johnson hardly seems to notice. Roy checks in on Johnson and finds him not responsive and calls for the bell. Louis Laurence by submission with a half crab 9:18 Jacques, Sr. explains that these are the consequences of taking shortcuts to getting the win as Laurence escapes the ring before Charland and Regal, still shocked over the result, can attack. Up next is the main event, don’t go away! Commercial Break & Upcoming Events 47:00 - 64:00 Gino Brito, Armand Rougeau & Rene Goulet come out to big cheers. They high five fans on their way to the ring as Jacques, Sr. praises them as defenders of the honor of the IWA. The cheers turn to boos as Eddie Creatchman leads Dennis Condrey (wearing his gold), Hurricane Kamiguchi & Stonehead Ishimoto to the ring. Garbage pelts Condrey and Creatchman as they walk. Creatchman gets upset, but Condrey fails to notice. Jacques, Sr. has nothing good to say about any of the three. Gino Brito, Armand Rougeau & Rene Goulet vs. Dennis Condrey & Earth and Sky w/Eddie Creatchman The match is an all-out brawl from the start. Head referee Adrian Desbois has his hands full keeping less than four men in the ring and his final attempt (which works) leaves Armand on the wrong side of the ring. The heels work Armand over, focusing very hevaily on his previously injured neck at the urging of Creatchman. Creatchman comes over to the announce table several times during the match to protest Condrey’s involvement in this match. Brito takes a hot tag after five cutoffs by the heels, the last inches shy of a tag. The crowd explodes as brito comes in like a house afire and destroys all opposition. Thigns break down again and it somehow ends up with Rougeau the legal man in the ring against Kamiguchi. Ishimoto hits a loaded headbutt to Goulet on the outside and breaks up an Armand sleeper in the ring before hitting a loaded headbutt on Rougeau. Brito and Condrey are involved in an intense brawl on the outside as Kamiguchi hits the blockbuster on Armand and covers for the three. Hurricane Kamiguchi by pinfall over Armand Rougeau after a blockbuster 15:32 Jacques, Sr. is going crazy on commentary as Brito hits the ring and clears out both members of Earth & Sky after he realizes what happened. The heels celebrate as they make their way to the back, more garbage coming their way. Armand recovers and gets back to his feet without help, drawing a huge sigh of relief from Jacques, Sr. and big cheers from the crowd. Jacques reminds the fans that Dino Bravo will be back next week, so be sure to tune in before signing off. Dark Matches Pre-Show Brad Rheingans defeated Alex Gerrard with a belly to belly suplex

I in no way intended to say that Parv ought to be given a pass because of his podcasts. The overarching point is that this is, at it's very core, a message board where we talk about wrestling. If you see something that makes you mad from a certain poster on a regular enough basis or they seem like their views run extremely counter to yours there is a very simple solution. Ignore their posts. You are in no way required to respond. I feel like it is counterproductive, as mentioned by Loss, to start personal confrontations of this stuff rather than debate more the wrestling side of the issue. So as a for instance, maybe it's better off if Bill when he had something to say about an opinion of Parv's he kept it to the actual subject matter that is being discussed and not Parv's history as a poster or whatever else might get dragged up. And likewise on Parv's part. That being said, I will also add that both Bill and Parv have been personally responsible for me watching matches I might not otherwise have even thought about looking for. To me that makes both valuable members of the board. I think that is one of the main functions of someplace like PWO is finding wrestling that you would not otherwise have been aware of. So if anyone were to ask if I felt like either Bill or Parv should be banned for starting trouble at any point I would disagree very clearly with that. I do, however, think that maybe there ought to be less personal attacks and more response to views espoused in arguments.

The Sailor Whites are the Moondogs. One of the original Moondogs was Sailor White in Montreal before he was a Moondog. So I went with the old gimmick for the area.

It's just a message board, fellas. No need to get that upset about it. If somebody is saying something that makes you that mad, stop reading their posts for a while. That being said, I don't understand the need to run anyone off the board, much less the guy who does all kinds of advertising across multiple podcasts that get what seems like a pretty healthy audience. The whole idea is to have many differing takes on pro wrestling so that people who read the posts can see different sides of the arguments.