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Didn't see any of it until about 2007 in Ditch's poll. The style seems to have shifted to more of an epic juniors battle feel than lucharesu when it shows up in 2007-2009. It's a little overwrought for my tastes but there is stuff there that is worthwhile. Also, Sasuke still did crazy-ass dives that leave you wondering how he is still wrestling in 07. He is easily one of the craziest dudes ever to grace a wrestling ring when it comes to putting his body on the line. I love him for it and wonder if it's really worth that kind of sacrifice all at the same time.

Kobashi had a few moments where I thought he went too far on the fighting spirit no-sells. But the majority of the time he should have been selling he was knocking it out of the park generating sympathy. One thing I truly loved about this match was how Kobashi focused 99% of his offense on the neck and Taue did the same with Kobashi's back. The transitions were mostly right on the mark. Kobashi barely avoiding death three times was great, as was the HUGE reaction when Kobashi kicked out of the Dynamic bomb. Really, really tight match between these two with mostly the right amount of fighting between the big nearfalls and only a few no-selling spots.

What a great HemisFair show! Of course Tully is the headline here and with good reason. Great way to end the Dynasty. Ash getting his leg broken with the same hold he came here to break Welch's leg is great poetic justice. Mascaras taking out Lothario's hand and then the respect at the end of the battle royal was good stuff. Butch Reed is going to be the heel king of the South pretty soon. The Canadian gets some heat on Hamilton and maybe that feud will get a bit more time now that a lot of the major feuds have been finished. I mourn for the end of the Ash vs. Welch feud and the Dynasty vs. Fabs feud, but I get the feeling there is more to come.

But I think you do owe it to yourself to watch memphis wrestling. Six discs in and I am loving a lot of it. The "hide the foreign object" routines get tiresome, but the rest of the set is glorious.

Lots of stuff going on here for sure. I like how the Ladd/Lawler angle was furthered throughout the show, even when neither was on the screen. The addition of Reed AND JYD to this angle can only mean great things. The Wrecking Crew forming up was a nice addition to your already stacked tag team division. Barr isn't somebody I can claim to have seen much of, but he seems like a guy you have uses for. Superstar Graham is an interesting choice for Memphis and I can see him negating the Reed strength advantage. Idol needs a bigger role if you ask me, but it seems like he's on the way up. Jose Poffo was handled in a much more Lance manner this time and I would agree that the show would have been incredibly tense with the Ladd-Lawler stuff continually rearing it's ugly (in a great way) head.

Wow, feel-good show for sure in Milwaukee. Roadies finally get the belts off of the Bills and Parsons gets his revenge on Garvin. My guess is neither are done with their nemeses just yet though. Hogan in yet another great match, wondering if it is going to be Humongous or another of Robley's guys he sees next. The faces on the undercard all seemed to get one over on the heels also, I imagine the next show is going to have quite a few heel victories.

I love Zbysko complaining about having to defend the TV belt. Dory vs. Bock for the shot at the NWA title is all kinds of strange and interesting. Also, then you'd have Dillon managing a match opposite Bock, which is also a bit out of the ordinary. Dangerous by design is aiming rather high if they think they will get the best of the Guerreros.

First things first. Parv, take a week or two to think about it. Don't go into threads (especially this one) talking about anything related to GWE. Think about your list and what it means personally to you. Think about all of the people who have looked at older matches or wrestlers that may have been forgotten directly because of you. Because these are the things you should be highlighting when you think about this project. Will watched Dory, Jr. matches on purpose because you pimped them. Doesn't matter that it didn't change his mind. He took the time to look at them because you suggested it. I don't think you see the influence you have when you skip the part where you turn people off to your way of thinking by becoming overly abrasive about things. And I'm not saying that as a major criticism of you, because I would guess that every one of us has been abrasive when describing something we love to people who don't necessarily buy into it. I'm just suggesting that if you look at things straight on, you'll see that you do a lot of good in relation to this project. Also, if OJ is PMing those 100 album lists out, I would love to get a copy. Because 70s funk and 60s jazz are areas of music that are incredibly intriguing and I only have a few names to start with.

I tend to agree. I think Parv has a very unique way of looking at things even within a community like PWO. I hate the idea that he won't be submitting a ballot because he disagrees with other people's process for putting together a list. My hope is that this is about something else and cooler heads do prevail by March of next year. To Parv I would say that very often we have to get past our preconceived notions of what a thing is and deal with the reality of it. It's rarely easy but usually ends up far more rewarding for the experience.

That is one of the better juniors matches I have seen. The six man that precedes it is pretty great too.

October 21st, 1983, Colisée des Bois-Franc, Victoriaville, QC (3,420, sellout) The Gerrard Brothers defeated a pair of local jobbers with a Tim Gerrard running crossbody Tony Ricco defeated Dan Johnson with a flying crossbody Louis Laurence & Dave Kochen defeated Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland & Goldie Rogers with a Kochen inside cradle on Charland, the heels attacked post-match only to be driven out of the ring Quebec TV Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors & Mad Dog Lefebvre defeated the Can Am Express & Invader 3 with a King Tonga thumb spike on Lafon Invader 1& Tony Parisi defeated Randy Rose & Gilles Poisson with an Invader 1 heart punch on Poisson Dennis Condrey & Earth and Sky defeated Gino Brito, Armand Rougeau & Rene Goulet with an Ishimoto loaded headbutt as Kamiguchi and Condrey held Armand in the corner October 22nd, 1983, Colisée Cardin, Sorel, QC (3,037, sellout) Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland & Dan Johnson defeated the Marcus Brothers with a spike piledriver on Joe Marcus Goldie Rogers defeated a local jobber with a neckbreaker Gino Brito & Tony Parisi defeated the Gerrard Brothers with a side suplex/flying senton combo Dave Kochen defeated Steve Regal with an abdominal stretch The Can Am Express & Armand Rougeau defeated Quebec TV Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors & Hurricane Kamiguchi with a Lafon schoolboy after a missed Tonga John big boot, Lafon and Brunzell both bled during the match Canadian International Tag Team Champions The Midnight Express defeated Louis Laurence & Tony Ricco with a suplex lift into a second rope powerslam on Laurence Mad Dog Lefebvre, Gilles Poisson & Stonehead Ishimoto defeated the Invaders & Rene Goulet with an Ishimoto loaded headbutt to Goulet

More great Dynasty vs. Fabs build! Seems like we're at the end of the road for these two and I hope Stan & Steve come out on top. It's fairly early in the feud for Ash or Welch to be "done", especially given the intensity of the feud. Duggan bringing in Reed is beyond awesome. At some point Duggan will get his hands on Tully and it seems like now is the time to start that. Mil and Apollo going off on Mexico & Lothario seems like it's close to happening. I'm not sure who wins the Battle Royal but I don't think Duggan gets the shot yet.

Busy topic today. Parv: If you don't want to vote for any reason, don't vote. But don't let how other people view the project sway that answer. Yes, this project will reflect the views of everyone who votes. That doesn't mean it isn't a personal project for every one of them. They may have a different approach or different standards than you do, but that doesn't mean they are any less serious about it. Loss: I've talked with you about this and I respect your decision. If "everyone should vote if they want to" is a valid argument I think that the opposite should also be true. If you don't want to vote, there should be no pressure forcing you to. This argument about peak vs. career, memory vs. rewatching, everyone's different standards being a problem, and any other nitpicking about the process is necessary. It makes people think about how they are approaching the project. But at the same time we tend to carry our own views to far and try to force them on people. I've been guilty of it myself in the past and I can promise you it will happen again despite my not wanting it to. So I think it is important that we bring things like that up and have arguments about them. But know when to leave it alone because it's going in a bad direction.

Tenryu had a good couple of years there. I haven't seen any footage, but I've read good things about Akiyama after he came back. And there was a period where Minoru Suzuki and a few other quasi-shoot guys were on top there and had running feuds going. The matches, from what I've seen, were at least entertaining in their own way. Most of the Mutoh and Kojima matches I've seen disappointed me, but there are those who enjoy them.

I'm guessing I know one guy who will pace you on Murdoch.

Yeah, that one was really wrestling-heavy for sure. My shows tend to be 70-75% wrestling, but this one got really one-sided.

Gun to my head, if I had to put together a top ten right now it would go like this. 1. Hansen 2. Flair 3. Jumbo 4. Terry Funk 5. Kawada 6. Bockwinkel 7. Lawler 8. Misawa 9. Savage 10. Hashimoto 10 - 20 would include: Steamboat, Taue, Rey Jr., Vader, Tenryu, Danielson, Bret Hart, Buddy Rose, Liger, Santo, Breaks

International Wrestling, October 21st, 1983 (Taped October 19th, 1983, Colisée de Rimouski, Rimouski, QC) 4,700 fans Opening matches 0:00 - 11:30 The opening montage leads to a shot of the ring with the Marcus Brothers awaiting their opponents. Jacques, Sr. welcomes the fans to another exciting week of IWA action as the Can Am Express come out to the ring. The fans cheer them, but Lafon and Brunzell are looking very serious tonight. Jacques, Sr. wonders if the Can Am Express isn’t a little upset over losing their match for the Quebec Television Tag Team Championships. The Can Am Express vs. The Marcus Brothers The Can Ams make short work of the Marcus Brothers, cutting any comebacks short quickly. Brunzell tags in Lafon and hits a big dropkick on Bob Marcus, Lafon putting Marcus into the cobra clutch for the victory. Phil Lafon over Bob Marcus by submission with a cobra clutch following a Brunzell dropkick 4:27 Jacques, Sr. is very impressed with how quickly and smoothly Lafon and Brunzell dispatched the Marcus Brothers. We cut to Jacques, Sr. as he talks about the rest of the matches on the card. The camera cuts back to the ring where Tim Gerrard is already waiting. Randy Rose enters the arena floor with Eddie Creatchman and Jacques, Sr. is immediately unhappy to see the “lower than low” Creatchman. Rose is wearing his tag championship belt while Creatchman points to it and taunts the fans. Creatchman and Rose are in no hurry to get to the ring. Jacques, Sr. Reminds the fans that Dino Bravo was in the building last week and helped the IWA wrestlers drive off all four of Creatchman’s crew. Randy Rose vs. Tim Gerrard Rose comes out of the gate hot, but Gerrard manages a short comeback capped off by a crossbody before Rose hits a back kick to the gut and follows with a big side slam. A powerslam from the second rope by Rose puts Gerrard away. Randy Rose by pinfall with a second rope powerslam 4:52 Jacques, Sr. has to admit that was a very impressive win for Rose. Creatchman comes over and has a quick shouting match with Jacques, Sr. about his man wrestling on TV before he and Rose head to the back. Jacques, Sr. apologizes to the fans as we go to commercial. Commercial Break 11:30 - 24:30 The camera cuts to the ring as we return from commercial, Goldie Rogers, Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland, Dan Johnson and Steve Regal making their way to the ring. The crowd is booing the foursome, Charland takes time out to show off his belt to a few fans while Rogers finds several women to in the front row to harass. Jacques, Sr. is incensed at both Rogers and Charland, both for their behavior tonight and in recent weeks. Tony Parisi, Louis Laurence, Dave Kochen & Tony Ricco step out of the curtain to cheers. Laurence is put over by Jacques, Sr. for dominating his matchup with Charland on October 1st, but falling victim to an attack with the belt that caused a disqualification. Jacques, Sr. Also talks about the differences between Rogers and Kochen of late. Rogers leads the charge as the heels jump the four faces at ringside. Tony Parisi, Dave Kochen, Louis Laurence & Tony Ricco vs. Goldie Rogers, Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland, Dan Johnson & Steve Regal Referee Pierre Bertrand tries to restore order and finally gets it back to Kochen and Johnson in the ring. Rogers cheapshots Kochen from the apron as Johnson backs Kochen into the wrong corner while held in a front facelock. Rogers tags himself in and the heels end up working over Kochen for a short while. Bertrand misses a tag to Laurence (while Charland is in no less!) when Rogers distracts him. Charland tags out almost immediately and Johnson gets kicked when he telegraphs a back body drop. Charland runs into the ring to stop the tag and knock Laurence off the apron. Regal runs right into a Kochen dropkick off the ropes and Kochen finally tags in Parisi. Parisi is a house afire and takes out the entire opposing team aside from Charland. Charland was dragegd from the apron just before the tag by an angry Laurence, who laid into him with right hands and elbows on the floor for some time. Finally Laurence had enough of beating up on Charland and came back to the apron in time to get tagged in and found a very vulnerable Steve Regal in the ring. The numbers advantage by the faces made holding Johnson and Rogers off while Laurence put Regal into a half crab for the victory easy. Louis Laurence over Steve Regal by submission with a half crab 10:43 Jacques, Sr. is impressed with the fire of Louis Laurence and the teamwork of the four victors. He knows that Rogers, Charland and company are not finished yet, though. Jacques, Sr. knows that Louis Laurence will make the third time a charm in going for the Quebec Heavyweight Championship. Commercial Break 24:30 - 41:30 We come back from commercial to a shot of the ring. The Dungeon masters, Jim Neidhart and Mr. Hito, come out to a decent pop. Jacques, Sr. puts Neidhart over as a powerhouse and highlights Mr. Hito’s experience. The Quebec Television TV Champions The Tongan Terrors and their manager Lou Albano stalk to the ring to very loud boos. Albano makes sure to point out the belts to as many fans as he can without slowing his menacing Tongan wrestlers down. Jacques, Sr. puts the Terrors over as monsters, saying Albano may not be honest all the time, but his two Tongans have proven themselves time and again. The Dungeon Masters vs. Quebec Heavyweight Television Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors in a title match (15 Minute Time Limit) Neidhart starts the match for his team and goes toe to toe with both Tongans, holding his own but tiring. After he has to tag out the Terrors destroy Hito. Neidhart saves his partner several times before finally hitting a big clothesline on Tonga John and knocking King Tonga from the ring with a series of right hands. Neidhart drags his partner back to the corner and tags himself in, again going back and forth with the Tongans before he is again forced to tag. The Tongan Terrors again start working over Hito, but this time they refuse to let up when both are in the ring against the Japanese wrestler. Head referee Adrian Desbois counts to five once and starts again, disqualifying the champions as he reaches five a second time. The Dungeon Masters win by disqualification 14:06 Neidhart charges like a bull after hitting the ring, again driving both Tongans from the ring quickly. He keeps a wary eye on the two monsters while tending to his partner. Jim Brunzell and Phil Lafon emerge from the crowd to attack the Tongans from behind, Albano running impossibly fast to put King Tonga between himself and Lafon. Lafon gets caught with a throat thrust as he tries chasing Albano and the brawl is on between the Terrors and the Can Am Express! Jacques, Sr. tells the fans that we have to go to commercial and hope to have this cleaned up by the time we return from break. Commercial Break 41:30 - 48:00 Eddie Creatchman and Earth & Sky are in the ring when we return from commercial, Jacques, Sr. nowhere to be found. Creatchman picks up the microphone that’s in the ring and shrugs. Creatchman: Our Most Professional Announcer Jacques Rougeau, Sr. has once again refused to interview me. I’m hardly surprised. Given what Stonehead Ishimoto is going to do to his son tonight, I doubt he’d have much good to say anyway. You see, tonight Armand Rougeau is wrestling an experienced veteran. A man who has wrestled in more places than just Quebec. And this man knows his weaknesses because I know his weaknesses. So be prepared to be disappointed, all of you Rougeau fans. The crowd boos as Creatchman and Hurricane Kamiguchi leave the ring, Kamiguchi heading to the back after a few words from Creatchman. Armand Rougeau gets a good pop when he comes out, excitedly playing to the fans on the way to the ring. Jacques, Sr. is proud of his son for his recuperative powers and willingness to get back in the ring after such an injury. Armand Rougeau vs. Stonehead Ishimoto Armand comes out firing rights at the masked Japanese wrestler. Ishimoto fights back with chest slaps before landing a big right to knock Rougeau down. He works Rougeau’s neck over for a short while before Armand reverses a front facelock into a hammerlock. Creatchman motions to the back and Kamiguchi comes rushing out to attack Armand, drawing a disqualification from referee Andre Roy. Armand Rougeau wins by disqualification 3:49 Rene Goulet runs out to save his partner and Armand & Goulet clear the ring. Creatchman and Earth & Sky launch verbal attacks at the two from outside the ring. Jacques, Sr. is disgusted by Creatchman and his team, but happy that Goulet has his son’s back. Commercial Break & Upcoming Events 48:00 - 64:00 We come back to a shot of the ring with Goulet and Kamiguchi eyeing one another across the ring, head referee Adrian Desbois standing between them. Jacques, Sr. informs the fans that the main event of the Invaders vs. Lefebvre & Poisson has been changed to a six man Quebec Tornado tag match. All six men will be allowed to fight in and around the ring with no disqualifications until a pinfall or submission is achieved in the ring. The Invaders are the first out, getting big cheers from the crowd. Lefebvre and Poisson are booed, but Lefebvre is still getting a few cheers. Jacques, Sr. isn’t sure this match is a good idea for anyone involved, but admits that it is difficult keeping two men in the ring during these six mans. The Invaders & Rene Goulet vs. Mad Dog Lefebvre, Gilles Poisson & Hurricane Kamiguchi This match is an all-out, bloody brawl. Chairs, the ring post, the timekeeper’s bell and table all come into play as all six men brawl both in and out of the ring. Both Invader 3 and Invader 1 have their masks ripped half off of their heads by the end of the match, Lefebvre biting Invader 1’s exposed forehead at every opportunity. Goulet counters by ripping at Kamiguchi’s mask throughout the last third, finally locking on a scorpion claw hold on the floor. A bloody Lefebvre is quick to break the hold and stomp away at Goulet, but the Invaders use the opportunity to double back body drop Poisson and hit the Catapult for the win. Invader 3 over Gilles Poisson by pinfall after a Catapult 13:16 Lefebvre is again incensed with Poisson after he takes the fall. Poisson stops short of shoving the smaller Lefebvre away, but only barely. Kamiguchi has left ringside long before Lefebvre and Poisson stop arguing and again don’t talk to one another on the way back. The faces havie an exhausted celebration in the ring while all of this is going on. Jacques, Sr. Is ecstatic that the Invaders and Goulet triumphed in a wild match. Don’t forget to tune in next week when Gino Brito and Tony Parisi challenge for the Quebec Television Tag Team Championships! Dark matches Post-Show Gino Brito defeated Dennis Condrey with an inside cradle after Condrey escaped the figure four, Rose ran out post-match to attack with Tony Parisi successfully making the save after a short beatdown by the Midnights

October 20th, 1983, Pavillon de la Jeunesse, Quebec City, QC (4,700) The Marcus Brothers defeated a pair of local jobbers with a Bob Marcus inside cradle Dan Johnson defeated Alex Gerrard with a power slam The Can Am Express, Dave Kochen & Tony Ricco went to a no contest with Quebec TV Tag Team Champions The Tongan Terrors, Goldie Rogers & Steve Regal when referee Pierre Bertrand could not control the match Armand Rougeau, Rene Goulet & Louis Laurence defeated Earth and Sky & Quebec Heavyweight Champion Richard Charland with a Rougeau sleeper after turning Kamiguchi’s blockbuster into a second rope superplex Randy Rose defeated Invader 3 with a second rope powerslam Gino Brito, Tony Parisi & Invader 1 defeated Dennis Condrey, Mad Dog Lefebvre & Gilles Poisson with an Invader 1 heart punch on Lefebvre , Rose ran-in post-match, bringing Invader 3 out for the save

I was a big fan of Dusty winning the title. Seems like it was the way to go and it sets up a Dusty vs. Sullivan's army feud really well. Will Hennig or maybe Mike von Erich join up with Dusty to fight this menace? I'm wondering what direction Piper takes after this show. His Sullivan feud appears to be over, but there is still the chance he joins up with Dusty. Great Dusty and Sullivan promos also, really liking the new direction Florida has taken.

Great promos from Street and Garvin. That was one of the feuds I remember thinking would have been a lot of fun had it really happened. Savage's return seems more and more imminent and I wonder how merciful Randy is going to be despite Lanny's recent actions. Good way to end the show on a high note and send the fans home happy.

Schultz is going to get his title back, I can feel it. It's gonna take a while though. Flair agreeing to the stip before he knew all the details was an interesting choice. I'm wondering if Rogers sticks around once Flair is the champ. The Birds aren't quite ready to dethrone the Russians, but I think they'll give them a scare. Guerrero and Taylor is going to be a fun feud.

Superdome show looks great so far. The 4 team tournament for number one contenders ought to be interesting. Wonder if the Samoans will interject themselves into it or not. Quite the debut for Lanza.

You could also include "drew despite the company actively not wanting him to be a draw" in that list. Which may be included in against the odds, but I think it is above and beyond that.

Great Birmingham show, loved both of the last two matches. The Armstrong are gonna have to pick it up against the..um fire guys? It's nice to see the Shadow Riders still getting their push.