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Regardless of order, would agree Kobashi, Tenryu and Flair are the top 3 choppers.

This.

Again, it was more about the votes solidifying him as #1 rather than necessarily getting him there.

39 fell. Shoot-style, joshi and lucha the biggest victims. Biggest regret is not watching enough Euro/WOS before the deadline.

I think Flair would have ended up at #1 even if it was only PWO voters. I think he is going to run away with it because of the additional votes. So not because of it, only reinforced by it.

With these additional non-PWO/anonymous votes I am more convinced Flair is gonna win the whole thing easily.

Awesome match. Loved Fujinami's look of disdain, him trying to use different strategies to overcome the bigger guy/better brawler and his exceptional selling. Khan had awesome offense and ruled at being the heel. A lot of intensity, hate, violence and aggression. Had everything that makes pro wrestling great. **** 1/4

Surprised (and disappointed) no Chigusa Nagayo in the top 100. Assuming no drops between 109-101, looks like only 4 women will make the top 100 (Hokuto, Toyota, Aja, Bull).

This ruled. Great grappling and great hold-counter-hold wrestling. Impressive how they kept it lighthearted but retained that gritty competitive edge that goes along with great matwork. Finish also worked because of how clean the rest of the bout was.

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Lol he literally gets listed just as a wrote this. You have awesome timing :-) Thanks for ending this part of the "debate". Who the hell are we gonna focus on being overrated now? :-) And kudos for the reveal, Steven! Kurt Angle probably

With Kansai, that is 14 off my list today itself.

5 from my ballot back to back (Meiko, Koji, Suzuki, Otsuka, Sano)

I think Ishikawa and Ikeda will make the 100. Fujiwara, Tamura and Han are the only other shootstyle guys who will I think.

Speaking of stunned, I feel betrayed even reading this shit. Who are you? I know. Stupid stupid me. I used to love Devil. Wait. Oz. MAYUMI OZAKI doesn't make the top 100 ? Who are you PEOPLE ? These results suck. She was my #16. Seconded. Oz was my #17. Also the decline of Takada is pretty remarkable.

That is fair, it is a matter of perspective . I will say though that even though I don't like Shawn/Taker WM 25, I thought WM 26 was excellent with Shawn wrestling desperately and incorporating a lot of his past opponents offense to beat Taker. The kickouts all made sense, like after the second SCM where Shawn realizes he can't beat him. It parallels Kobashi/Akiyama 2004 for me actually with Shawn and Akiyama trying different things to win but eventually realize they can't overcome their opponents but are defiant to the end (Shawn with the gesture, Akiyama forcing Kobashi to bust out his ultimate finisher). Davey/Elgin is pretty bad though.

Strongly disagree, those finishing stretches are nothing like some ROH main events or something like Shawn vs. Taker WM25 where the "greatness" resides with the finisher kickouts and artificial drama like overdramatic selling. The greatness of the finishing runs of Kobashi vs. Misawa/Akiyama is based on classic storytelling and the nearfalls play into it rather than becoming the main focus. 3/1/2003 - About whether Kobashi can recover from ramp tiger suplex unlike previous big matches between the two where Misawa managed to hit a big move that permanently turned the tide. Nearfalls show his growth and how Misawa eventually realizes he has been surpassed. Also the way Kobashi slowly regains his senses was out of this world great selling. 7/10/2004 - About how Kobashi's resilience forces Akiyama to changes strategies and play into Kobashi's game of trading high impact offense (the way Misawa used to beat Kobashi and Kawada). Also the nearfalls at the end put over Akiyama as the strongest challenger yet.

Around 17 down for me. Primarily shoot style guys and luchadors.

That is a great point. I don't think people like El Satanico, Nick Bockwinkel and Buddy Rose actually work too stiff but their offense just seems so vicious and violent and so looks amazing.

I would say Cena captures the essence of being an ace better than nearly anyone except Misawa, Hashimoto and maybe Lawler.

The led by Misawa/Kawada argument doesn't hold up considering his GHC title run, where he was able to have different matches with a variety of opponents and almost every match was really great. His overall non-4 pillars output is the best of the four (in my opinion atleast). Also to add to Jvk's point, Kobashi is an underrated limb seller. The 7/24/1998 match had one of the most impressive leg selling performances ever but people were criticizing it in the Akiyama thread for some reason even though it was nearly as good as Kawada's 12/3/1993. Kobashi's was way more dramatic but that doesn't make it any less effective.

Honestly Kobashi is a much smarter worker than he is given credit for in my opinion. I won't deny he could go way overboard with some movez and fighting spirit after 1997, but he had a keen eye for structuring matches, holding them together as well as for escalation. He also knew exactly how much to give lesser opponents and how to make them look very credible. He wasn't some big dummy who went around throwing moves while his opponents did the thinking which is sometimes the perception.

Same.

Faraon (high vote), Miyato (high vote), Yamamoto and Hoshino off my list so far.

You know how opinions can never be wrong? Having Nash at 53 or 69 on a GWE list does not comply with that rule .