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It depends on the style and workers really but in general about 10 mins for guys I'm checking out for the first time is a good length and for established favorites of mine 20 mins is about my limit except for the odd special match like a big main event or like the Misawa,Kawada,Hase vs Kobashi,Taue,Akiyama 6 man I watched recently that was a 60 min draw which was not a chore to sit through. I see it as kinda like eating for the most part I don't have time to sit through a 5 course meal but a few times a year it's enjoyable haha.

There's a youtube channel that put up the Bruno Sammartino beyond the championship documentary and linked it on Reddit if anyone wants to watch or rip it off the site before it gets taken down.

I assume it's because it's Jake hurling insults at his father when Jake isn't one to throw stones with his past. Pot calling the kettle black sort of thing but either way it's still assault and not justified whatsoever. Jake is a cowardly prick at times but he's an old man and there was no way Harry would've come out looking good or solving anything with his approach.

Sad day for wrestling fans of the old school. I only saw his work in his feud with Boogie Woogie Man and thought he was a solid heel foil and heard a lot about him in the various shoots and mid atlantic features over the years. RIP to Paul Jones.

Because a single tweet about facts prevent the Twitter crowd (consisting of people who never even met the guy, never knew him and most of them probably never even saw him back in the days) from "mourning" (which is a term that really should be reserved to the actual family and friends) ? Come on now... People really need to stop being so fucking sensitive about everything. Dave Meltzer was a friend of Bruno, so maybe the classeless ones in this story are the douchebags who pack up on Twitter to patronize and insult Dave in *his* time of mourning (of a man he actually KNEW) because they can't get over a single fucking tweet about MSG sell-outs which is actually a very important part of Bruno's legacy. Lack of decency indeed, but Twitter and social media in general are a cesspool. Amen

Exactly, I'm all for pointing out moments where Dave comes off poorly and discussing them but this one is just foolish. Dave made one tweet aside from his paying condolences to his friends passing about something that was just a factual inaccuracy and was not a slight to Bruno or his fans in anyway. Dave pointing out something that was something pushed by other media while being false and letting folks know about it isn't in poor taste at all. Bruno himself always spoke about wanting to be honest and legitimate with his accomplishments and I highly doubt he would be upset at a person like Dave who he had a good relationship personally would state something like that on Twitter of all places where it's just social media and interactions with people on the site even if it's on the day of his passing. I understand people having grievances with Dave's work or opinions but this whole 'is he on the spectrum' nonsense is just childish speculation and seems only to be speculated as a way of putting Dave down more than an aspect of trying to understand his viewpoint. What the hell does it matter and who the hell is anyone to speculate? I doubt anyone would have the gall to walk up to Dave's face and ask him 'are you on the spectrum Dave?' and I doubt anyone on here would be alright with folks speculating stuff like that about yourselves in a way to justify their grievances with you and what you say.

Such a hero of a man all his accomplishments in the wrestling business aside. Bruno was as many have said about him a cut above and we will likely never see a story like his again in our lifetime. I am sad that the living legend is gone but very thankful that he gave so many interviews and documentaries on his life so his history and stories are not lost to time. He was a great man and his contributions as an inspiration and a hero will never be forgotten. RIP to Bruno Sammartino.

I like this topic idea as its fun to compare viewpoints. First off I personally have always felt the concept of the "5 star match" has changed dramatically over the years as the Observer and Dave's reputation grew. From a fan looking back reading old Observers and watching the matches years later, for the time period of the 80's when it started to about 1994 or so it was mostly based on recommending matches you'd want to get a tape for and not always how "good" the match might've been in the sense of how workers or hardcore fans might judge it now based on how much more has been learned and how educated the viewers have gotten. With how much the viewing audience has changed who care about these match ratings and how many guys have taken what Tiger Mask and Dynamite have done and put it together in a more impressive and complex result then going back and seeing a match like this now makes it look a lot less impressive. While I get the point that some matches like films stand the test of time despite their age in a concept like this you have to keep in mind I don't think it was originally about what it's come to be and more so it was about sharing the most impressive matches of that current time without worrying about how it might've looked decades later. So like films that haven't aged well, early 5 star matches shouldn't be seen as not worthy or overrated in my mind because the fans of the time it aired had no way of knowing what was to come later and it's not fair to compare them as being apples to apples with what fans think now. Saying all that if I had to pick my most overrated it'd be a tie between either Elgin/Richards or Lee/Dijak. Both at the time and despite multiple rewatchings still have me scratching my head as to what Dave saw in them. Both were excessive in what they did and in the Lee/Dijak match just looked clumsy and sloppy as hell. It wasn't like either was innovating anything or before their time and they were of the era where they are both just mixtures of the worst tropes and cliches of modern indie wrestling for my tastes.

Are WWE gonna air those AXXESS tournaments on the network? I'd love to see them.

That's how I took it. Hogan was basically thinking "I'm pretty sure he's going to play ball but if he decides not to I'm kind of fucked, so I better make sure of it without pissing him off". Dave mentioned how the Maeda deal happened not long before this and how it ruined Andre's rep as someone to fear if he decides to shoot, but it's not like Hulk was a trained shooter. Plus it seemed silly to think a guy like Andre would decided to fuck up the largest show in wrestling history. To me the Maeda deal made him look scarier. He is drunk off his gord, laying on the bottom rope laughing and daring Maeda to try to put a hold on him. I could not help but notice that Maeda did not seem anxious to try. I am a big fan of Super Dave Osborne and he was on Bill Simmons podcast. I discovered Simmons is as clueless about "real" sports as he is about wrestling. Maeda fucked Andre's shit up, those leg kicks were brutal and Andre was a tortoise on his back and all he could do at that point was taunt Maeda. If it had not been for Inoki coming out to ringside and saying no to Maeda asking him if he could finish Andre off then Maeda could've beaten him and Andre wouldn't have been able to do anything. Watch the video at the 31:00 min mark where Andre has endured the barrage of leg kicks and had been taken down a few times with ease, Maeda tries to continue the match and climbs into side control on him and easily grabs Andre's wrist to gain control and Andre is exhausted and barely able to react. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2dgb17 Maeda was no super fighter either but Andre without being mobile and balanced had no way to utilize his size and strength at that point.

I thought Low Ki had a neck injury that left him medically unfit to wrestle Matt Riddle last weekend at BloodSport? how is he doing this match if he was that hurt?

In the physical condition he currently he is in he will make everyone, including himself, look like shit. It's funny looking at him that there is talk of him fighting in UFC again. If he does it's really just a cash-grab because at this point he is in worse shape than 50 year-old PCO. I am sure that from a pure skill-level there are some heavyweights in UFC that Brock can hold on the mat for 15 minutes, but at this point any top 20 heavyweight will anihilate him. Come on, worse shape than a 50 year old PCO? PCO is in great condition for his age but Brock is still in good shape and acting like the UFC heavyweight division is a field of adonis marathon men is absurd. Look at a hot prospect like N'Gannou who gassed out in 1 round and guys like Derek Lewis and Mark Hunt and you can see Heavyweight has and always will be a thin division as it hard to find great fighters who can go hard for 3 to 5 rounds weighing 240+. Brock could easily go through a training camp and provided he doesn't suffer any serious injury beat majority of the currently ranked top 10 of todays UFC HW division. Most of the top 10 are as old as him and in the same or even worse physical shape. I'm all for expressing dislikes about Brock but saying stuff like this is really reaching, Brock at near 41 is still a better athlete than most guys half his age at his size.

That's a bit much. I mean really who can know what the goings on are in putting together this card that might of led it to come out this way. Being the booker is a pretty thankless job most of the time so why dump on the guy and pretend absolutely anyone could've done a better job? Because that's his whole run as booker. Taking talent you are interested in and making sure they don't interact in any sort of interesting way. I would be less frustrated with the card if Delirious hasn't spent years putting out mediocre shows. And those mediocre shows with the level of the talent he has access to use are drawing better than ROH has ever done, now it could be argued that's in spite of his booking but the point is at the end of the day he's still kept as the booker for a reason. Who knows what battles he has to fight to satisfy all the parties involved including with trying to please wrestlers who aren't always the most rational and the Sinclair higher ups who if you've heard what Cornette has spoke about during his time there is an uphill battle in and of itself. So if a guy like Cornette with at his stint in the company had nearly 2 decades of wrestling booking experience along with his total tenure in the business at a high level was having problems keeping talent happy and in line while also trying to satisfy the Sinclair suits then it wouldn't be crazy to think a guy like Delirious with significantly less experience all around would also face similar struggles. Obviously Delirious has something to offer as how many wrestling bookers are there today making a living and booking a thriving promotion in North America on a national level? If it was that easy to put it all together that a monkey could do it better than why would Sinclair not get someone else who would obviously do a better job and thus make them more money? Probably because there isn't anyone else and Delirious does a lot more than he's given credit for. I couldn't imagine how hard it is to keep all the moving parts in sync enough to keep business rolling while satisfying overseas partners,talent and corporate.

The Pillman book was fantastic and probably in the top 5 of all the wrestling books I've read which is a ton of them. Easily well worth picking up.

That's a bit much. I mean really who can know what the goings on are in putting together this card that might of led it to come out this way. Being the booker is a pretty thankless job most of the time so why dump on the guy and pretend absolutely anyone could've done a better job?

I just have NJPW World for now, many others look great though but I've never pulled the trigger on signing up for more although I came close with STARDOM but realized my schedule doesn't have time to squeeze it in to really get the full value. I just don't have enough time to watch all the wrestling available out there especially with all the older content I've been collecting and going through although with all the gems I see people discussing on here it's always tempting haha. My heart says I've got to see it all! but my wallet says I can't spend the equivalent of a monthly cable subscription on wrestling networks and then sit and watch all of it when I could be out earning money I need to keep a roof over my head. Plus my significant other isn't a fan and they barely put up with my obsession as it is I'm glad for all the younger fans though, they have such a variety of content to watch. If I was 10 years younger I'd have been all over this in a heartbeat with multiple subscriptions and wrestling marathons.

Hell look at the cagematch top lists that get posted and raved about on there and it seems they've never seen anything before 2000. While I can understand that being younger and not alive when this stuff happened is a valid reason the amount of people who go on and on about Kenny Omega and Okada being the best trilogy ever and some saying they are the greatest workers of all time as well as NJPW being the best it's ever been are just trumpeting the bare bones of Meltzer's opinions and comments. What irks me is pretty much the world of wrestling history has never been more easily accessible at a persons fingertips and it seems almost nobody like the people I've described make even the slightest effort to watch anyone or anything considered great from before 2000 or the late 90's. When I was around their age I would've killed to have all this stuff easily available but all I had was books from my library and whatever internet time at school and the occasional tape I could get in remote eastern Canada. What took me years of hunting down and studying to learn could be done in 1/4 of the time and done greater with all the resources the internet gives between social media, podcasts, file sharing and streaming especially YouTube.

Wow, stupid move. Thanks for the details.

"Multi Time Champion, Joyce Grable: “As far as I was concerned, she never sent me nobody. And hey, I had a good body, back then. I was kind of pretty, long blonde hair. Especially when I went to Puerto Rico. Mexico. If she was gonna pimp somebody out, I would’ve been #1 on the list”" What a gross way to dismiss these allegations and defend Moolah, how vain do you have to be to think that such a horrible thing couldn't possibly have happened because you basically think you were more attractive than the victims.

Hahahaha