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That's all that I've seen but I was mostly interested in it because it featured British wrestlers. There may be other footage out there.
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Oh my God, we're back again... I rocked that song at karaoke the other night, and you know it was a shout out to Los Guapos... These teams picked up where they left off the week before. The Guapos looked slick in the opening caida. They're possibly the best working trio in Mexico at present. This wasn't as dynamic as the week before but there was enough action here to whet your appetite for more from these teams.
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This served its purpose by advancing the Perro vs. Mascara feud. The trick to these sort of matches is having a throughline that can be traced from the beginning of the match through to the end and I thought Perro and Mascara accomplished that with their brawling segments. They also did a good job of mixing things up so it wasn't just Perro and Mascara brawling at ringside ad nauseam. Of course, that meant all eyes on Satanico. And being the Satanico tragic that I am, every time he squares off with someone I see "program" written all over it, but there's nothing more tantalizing than an Atlantis vs. Satanico program. If I could have anything in 2000 CMLL right now, that would be it. And therein lies the tease of trios matches, and the reason why hardcores watch even the most obscure bouts: to get little snippets of matches that probably aren't going to happen. I know we're not getting Atlantis vs. Satanico but it sure is fun to dream.
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I thought they could have done a bit more with this. After the amazing electrocution angle, I've developed a taste for edgier brawls in CMLL but they didn't do much with the falls and the brawling was pretty mediocre. Perro continues to look geriatric. He has the odd flurry where the fire is still there but he has a hard time moving about. I remember that Eduardo and I loved his apuesta match with Universo 2000 when we watched it together but watching him week to week is wiping away any illusions I had about that match.
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It's a list of everything I've seen. The dates and names may not be 100% accurate. The Iraq stuff is on YouTube.
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There's also these matches from Iraq; John Lees vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Iraq, 1960s) Ian Campbell vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Baghdad, 1960s) Ian Campbell vs. Adnan Al-Kaissie (Karbala, 1960s)
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French catch: Albert Falaux vs. Guy Robin (1953) Gilbert Cesca vs. Billy Catanzarro Jean Rabut vs. Venta Costella (1/22/60) Michel Allary vs. Jack de Lassartesse (1/22/60) Isha Israel/Jean Corne vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (4/21/60) Michel Allary vs. Johnny Stein (1960) Jack de Lassartesse/Robert Duranton vs. Andre Drapp/Bernard Vignal (1/20/61) Dan Aubriot vs. Pierre Bernaert (9/11/62) Bernard Vignal vs. Grand Vladimir (5/15/64) Les Copains (Dan Aubroit/Bob Plantin) vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (5/15/64) Rene Ben Chemoul/Gilbert Cesca vs. The Black Diamonds (2/28/65) Gilbert Cesca/Rene Ben Chemoul vs. Anton Tejero/Inca Peruano (3/12/65) Remy Bayle/Dan Abriot vs. Victor Castilla/Pancho Zapata (11/28/65) Cheri Bibi/Eric Husberg vs. Marcel Montreal/Remy Bayle (1965) Le Vicomte Joel de Noirbreuil & Pierre Lagache vs. Georges Cohen & Abraham Edery (10/16/66) Bruno Asquini/Gilbert Leduc vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) (5/6/67) Anton Tejero vs. Walter Bordes (8/29/67) Michel Saulnier vs. Le Petit Prince (9/30/67) Batman vs. Teddy Boy (9/30/67) Francis Louis vs. Bob Plantin (1968) Rene Ben Chemoul vs. Gilbert Cesca Gilbert Cesca vs. Cheri Bibi Teddy Boys (Aldolphe Sevre/Robert Le Boulch) vs. Gilbert Cesca/Rene Ben Chemoul Gilbert Cesca/ ReneBen Chemoul vs. Cheri Bibi/Pierre Bernaert Francis Sullivan/Albert Sanniez vs. Bernard Caclard/Tony Martino Albert Falaux/Bob Elandon vs. Rene Cabellec/Gilbert Puydebat Les Celtes (Jean Corne/Michel Falempin) vs. Inca Viracocha et Jose Gonzales ('68?) Bruno Asquini/Gilbert Cesca vs. Les Blousons Noirs (Claude Gessat/Marcel Mannevau) Iska Khan/Gen Tilly vs. Yves Amor/Pierre Rouanet Gilbert Leduc vs. Quasimodo Gilbert Leduc vs. Le Bourreau de Bethune
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These are the 60s British matches I have: Len Wilding vs. Jack Cunningham (10/28/61 TV) Albert Wall vs. Ernie Riley (11/25/61 TV) Billy Howes vs. Jacques Lageat (5/5/62) Mick McManus vs. Jackie Pallo (5/5/62) Honey Boy Zimba vs. Docker Don Steadman (10/18/67 TV) Alan Miquet vs. Tony Borg (10/18/67 TV) Julien Morice vs. Johnny Williams (9/20/69) Peter Szakacs vs. Len Hurst (late 60s) Tibor Szakacs vs. Ivor "Pat" Barratt (late 60s) Wild Man of Borneo & Steve Haggerty vs. Ray Hunter & Al Hayes (Paul Lincoln Promotions 1960s)
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Soon all mankind will witness the rebirth of.... The Undertaker.
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This was a quality atomicos. Even with the butchering, we could see a clear throughline from the early rudo beatdown to the tecnico victory. I thought Casas was excellent in this. You see a lot of workers pair off in trios matches but only the great ones like Casas can turn things into an issue. I loved the way he paused before striking Scorpio just long enough for the crowd to egg him on. Then he launched into the stomp without needing any approval. Great finish too with Casas getting payback for the first fall. Casas always brings different dimensions to his matches but badass Casas is one of my favorites especially with how camp and effeminate Casas can be at times. Niebla also featured prominently in this, and while I think he was a bit heavy to be working the classic Lizmark/Solar/Atlantis role, his power stuff looks awesome especially his suplexes and the extra weight adds more impact to the heavy contact stuff. Tarzan Boy is still getting booed by the crowd but he took some nice licks in the opening fall and brought the high impact dives that made the tercera pretty to watch. Shocker continues to look good but took a backseat here to Casas vs. Scorpio and Zumbido flew around taking some nice bumps. Los Guapos have been a pleasant surprise for me so far. Backstreet's Back gets me every time, especially when Bestia is dressed like an extra from the Sopranos.
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This was supposed to be a fast paced match with plenty of flying but the action was middling. The dives were all right but the bout could have done with more classic lucha exchanges to set up the dive trains. The rudos didn't show much character and no-one stood out from the tecnico side. There was a large contingent of tecnico fans in attendance but if this showcase was for them then it fell kind of flat.
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[2000-05-01-CMLL] Brazo de Oro vs Valentin Mayo (Hair vs Hair)
ohtani's jacket replied to soup23's topic in May 2000
What an entrance by Valentin Mayo. He sure saw himself as a star even if the crowd didn't know who he was. This was a bare bones apuesta match. Don't expect too much from it and you won't be disappointed. The most notable about it was Brazo's cut. There was some decent action in the third caida but it's hard to get a feel for the rhythm of a bout with some much left on the cutting room floor. Brazo looked distinctly un-maestrolike, I thought, but the crowd was behind him. Might have meant more to us if we'd seen the build up. -
Billy Goelz and other 50s finds
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Ramona TeSelle vs. Sharon Lass was a fairly generic 50s match with the heel cheating until she won. Russ was depressed by the result but hoped we liked it. Oh yeah, Russ, we're pumped. Billy Darnell vs. Hans Hermann was another match with endless cheating. Matches like these never get started. The heel cheats, the face retaliates and you get the occasional flash of offense. Darnell looked like a decent worker but they were taking it pretty easy. Dick Afflis vs. Ivan Rasputin was apparently Afflis' debut in the territory as Davis knew nothing about him. Afflis was a mean bugger but the only time his work is compelling is when there's an extra edge to it like in the Gomez fight. Rasputin continues to be a fun worker. If you have an appreciation for journeymen you'll dig Rasputin. Great Yamato vs. Len Rossi was long but somehow Yamato manages to work decent matches with very little wrestling involved. That takes a fair amount of skill, I guess. It helps that he's a short, stocky guy who hits hard and like Rasputin looks like he has a strong center of gravity. Both of them look immovable which is a cool trait for a wrestler to have. Tom Thumb vs. Little Beaver was a neat midgets match. Little Beaver looked like a minis version of Chief Don Eagle and knew how to work a hold. Competitive bout with both men working hard, There was a lot of niggle in the clinch as there often is in 50s wrestling but it was gritty and tough. The midgets represented. -
Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 4
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Billy Goelz and other 50s finds
ohtani's jacket replied to ohtani's jacket's topic in The Microscope
Violet Viann vs. June Byers was a decent match. Viann was this sassy, diminutive worker who kept chewing gum the entire bout and Byers, while lacking in charisma, looked better than in any of her other bouts. I think it was because she was working in favour of her size advantage instead of just looking to brawl and draw heat. Apparently, some of the modern WWE women watched this match and borrowed one of Byers' signature moves. Mechanically, she was strong in this. Next up was the Zaharias Brothers vs. Rudy Kay & Al Williams. This was a short brawl between four barroom brawler types. FIne while it lasted. Vittorio Apollo vs. Miquel Torres was a short squash match designed to introduce Chicago to the latest Argentinian sensation. Apollo worked just like Rocca and bounced all over the show. One Rocca is probably enough for my money. Also on the short side were Johnny Gilbert vs. Jack Terry and Bearcat Wright vs. Big Moose Cholak. Terry was an old campaigner with a busted nose and cauliflower ears that kept giving his opponent judo "licks" while Gilbert was a younger, flashier opponent who liked putting Terry in a head-scissors and smashing his face into the canvas. Wright wasn't a great worker and Cholak was a huge lug who drew good heat but their bout was interesting enough for the time it last. -
I had this uncle who was the black sheep of the family. He was living in Australia and nobody had seen or heard from him in 15 years. One day he decided to reconnect with his family and came over to New Zealand to stay for a few weeks. We were all sitting around my grandmother's living room and my uncle suddenly said he wanted to watch WWF Superstars. I had just gotten into comics at the time and was massively into X-Men. My first memory of wrestling was that it was like a comic book come to life. The wrestlers looked like real life superheroes and I was fascinated from the get-go. The episode of Superstars we watched had an Andre vs. Duggan match where Duggan hit the Giant with his 2x4. That was my baptism into wrestling. But the angle that really got me hooked was Outlaw Ron Bass raking Beefcake's face with his spurs. That blew my mind. I remember asking my uncle whether Beefcake could sue. WWF took off at school around this time and was all we would talk about. People would bring the magazines to school and trade the bubblegum cards. I remember sticking some nails in a piece of wood, wrapping some rubber bands around them and having PPV after PPV with my GI-Joes. I started watching during the lead-in to SummerSlam '88. Hogan was off making a movie at the time and the angles mainly involved Savage, DiBiase and Andre. I can still remember the first time I saw Hulk Hogan and watching SummerSlam on TV then over and over again on tape. Wrestling remained huge until WM 6 though the peak was definitely WM 5. After that, we shifted our attention to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, which was the craze that ended the wrestling boom. I still enjoy wrestling but I'll never recapture those times where it was larger than life. Summer of '88 to Spring 1990. RIP, Uncle Kev.
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Jim Breaks Arrested For Beating Wife To Death
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Jim Breaks Arrested For Beating Wife To Death
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[2000-04-30-AAA] Oscar Sevilla vs Angel Mortal (Hair vs Hair)
ohtani's jacket replied to soup23's topic in April 2000
This was a straightforward, old-school apuesta match. Angel Mortal did a great job of roughing Sevilla up throughout the match and looked every bit the classic rudo journeyman. Sevilla was a bit ungainly at times but they did a great job of making him look tough, which isn't always easy to do with a pretty boy tecnico. Not only did he produce a strong comeback after Mortal had bust him open, he took it upon himself to force Mortal back in the ring to have his head shaved when Mortal was fighting with security. That made him look tougher than say, Tarzan Boy. There was some bullshit with the seconds and the ref but on the whole it was a solid match. Mortal getting his head shaved was quite the sight and capping it off with a half-shaven beatdown on Sevilla was a fine way to cap the evening. Good stuff. -
Can anyone identify this Andre match?
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It's Strong Kobayashi. Some more pics from the match -- https://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/hk08300830/30573256.html -
Billy Goelz and other 50s finds
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More wrestling from Chicago: Mr. Moto vs. Ivan Rasputin had all the makings of a terrible match but it wasn't that bad actually. It was fought in the clinch like most of the Moto and Togo matches and there were some nice looking blows throughout. Ivan was a big Russian bear who threw a commanding forearm smash. He reminded me a bit of the British wrestler John Elijah in terms of being a robust power guy. Some of the commentary was inane but the match itself was worlds better than I expected. Jim Dobie vs. Lou Britton was a great match. This was right up my alley. It was a technical match with cheating so you got the best of both worlds, heel/face stuff for the crowd and mat wrestling. Lou Britton was completely awesome. A great wrestler and fine technician with a wonder Mexican moustache that was perfect for his role as role as the wrestler looking to take short cuts. I have no doubt he would be one of the finds of the 50s if there were more footage of him. Dobie was good too but Britton stole the show. Definitely a guy I won't be forgetting in a hurry. Fuzzy Cupid was a great dwarf heel. He had a bit of a Lord James Blears gimmick going on and amazingly fuzzy hair. He took on an Ethiopian dwarf named Haile Selassie, who was really some guy from Philly. Quite a good match. The crowd were really into it and showed their support for the wrestlers. It was nice to see the midgets taken seriously as entertainers. Definitely the best midget bout so far. Carl Engstrom looked like a decent young talent but he was stymied by having to work with Matt D's boy, The Mighty Atlas. Some nice holds here and there but too much of Atlas' strongman shtick grinding everything to a halt. I enjoyed the short Bozo Brown vs. Jim Graham match more. Brown was a fat boy wrestler with solid brawling skills and worked a good match before succumbing to a soft count out. Hope to see more of him in the future. All in all, quite good variety in these Chicago Archives. You really get a sense of how Fred Kohler promoted his cards from top to bottom. Valuable stuff. It's just a shame they ran out of money and didn't convert the rest of the collection. -
Fun house show match in front of a noisy Tijuana crowd. We got some nice work between Santo and Wagner, some great comedy from Porky and Wagner and Cien Caras being Cien Caras. Wagner was fantastic in this. What a great worker he was at this point in time. He had the Lucha world on a string. And what more can be said about Porky? It's like watching Laurel and Hardy or an old Warner Brothers cartoon. It just never gets old. I liked the physicality as well. That's an element of lucha libre that often gets overlooked. Fantastic angle during the crowd brawling as well. I loved that shot with the guy wearing the cowboy hat and the image of Santo's mask holes poking through the throng of onlookers. Match ended abruptly with a Felino run-in which was a shame. We did see a more vicious Felino than the one we're used to but the apuesta challenges were pretty hollow and I didn't make it to the end.
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I'm gonna take the opportunity to continue familiarizing myself like guys like Low Ki. He was a lot looser here than I was expecting and a bit more flippy than my image of him. Some of his stuff looked a bit shitty, to be honest. Mayhem was solid, The big knock on indy bouts like this is that they pinch stuff like the Fujiwara armbar and use the hold for no reason other than to name drop it. There were elements of that here but were pretty forthright about working a counter based offensive bout and stuck to their guns whether they were on the mat or the top rope. Not bad but didn't bowl me over. The finish was spectacular but bordered on overkill. The commentary sounded like it was done by a message board poster. I swear I heard him thumbing through the Big, Big Book of Moves. Retro.
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[2000-04-23-GAEA] Aja Kong & Kaoru vs Meiko Satomura & Toshiyo Yamada
ohtani's jacket replied to soup23's topic in April 2000
This was a great appetizer for the Aja/Satomura rematch. Satomura was so babyfaced here and prone to shouting "bakayaro" and hurling herself at opponents but she rose to the challenge of facing Kong and remains one of Aja's best opponents. I thought Yamada did a bang-up job in the role she was called upon to play. She was almost unrecognizable with her Escape from New York look but took her lumps and dished out a few of her own in a perfect foil to the attrition that Aja and Satomura served up. Kaoru was a bit of an odd fit but it didn't really matter once Aja lashed out. This was good. On par with just about any match we saw in the lead-in to Villano/Atlantis or Satanico/Tarzan Boy.