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This was pretty average. I was skeptical of the Japanese guys when they showed up in CMLL but ended up enjoying their matches, so I'll withhold judgement until I see the hair match. There was one cool dive train from the Infernales here, but otherwise this did very little for me. It wasn't clear watching this how much Satanico has in the tank but that's hard to gauge from weekly trios matches.
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I have a match of Tibor's from the late 60s. Its not that different from his 70s work. I would like to see something from the early 60s to see if he's significantly quicker. McManus is younger and fitter in the Pallo match, but there's something to be said for how generous he is putting guys over in the 70s. He wasn't the greatest wrestler, so I suspect there is less to be gained by watching a younger version, but I could be wrong. With British wrestling any new footage is welcome, even more stuff from the 70s.
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How does the Delfin thread have so few comments?? The Little Master is one of the highlights of early 00s puro.
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This was a better showing from the Guapos, though they still don't have a lot of chemistry as a trio. The rudos and tecnicos joined together at the beginning to pay their respects to Ray Mendoza, who had passed away a few days earlier. Then they started the match on the mat where the great man had been so proficient. There was a lot to like about this match. I really liked Atlantis vs. Magica, and Casas finally woke up and did something in 2003. They gave us a smidgeon of Casas vs. Shocker. Can you imagine how good that match could have been if they'd worked it like Shocker vs. Ultimo or Shocker/Vampiro? More impressive, though, was how good Shocker made Lizmark look. I actually found myself enjoying a Lizmark Jr performance for the first time. You can officially put Shocker in the same category as Rey Bucanero, i.e. guys who made both Vampiro and Lizmark look good. I guess this means Shocker is better as a rudo. He's certainly making the most out of the circumstances.
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This was your classic "week after" trios where the guy who lost the apuesta gets a sliver of revenge over the winner. It was also the debut of the new look Los Guapos with 2003 Guapos University winner, El Terrible, teaming with Shocker and Magica for the first time. Guapos U was a spoof of WWE's Tough Enough show with Shocker and Mascara Magica bringing in luchadores from outside Mexico City to compete for a spot in the Guapos. Personally, I would have preferred that Zumbido got the third spot, but he was tossed from Guapos U for poor behavior and for feuding with Ricky Martin, which led to them having a hair match. In true CMLL fashion, the Guapos U angle was mishandled and pushed aside, but eventually El Terrible won a makeshift final. Unfortunately, the Guapos debut was less than stellar. It was one of those trios matches where the workers don't seem to do anything. Vampiro vs. Shocker wasn't satisfying, and Casas did absolutely nothing. Bit of a comedown from the excellent apuestas match, but that's how it goes sometimes.
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Meh, I have no interest in watching a wrestling feud about drugs and alcohol. These guys tried to work a decent dog collar match, but this is no Valentine vs. Piper. Raven was uninspiring. The ECW stuff didn't hit a sweet spot for me since I was never an ECW fan. I can totally see other people enjoying these things, but not for me.
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Brock Lesnar defends the WWE Heavyweight Title in a No DQ Triple Threat Match The WWE was generally pretty good at booking these three way matches with Rock vs Angle and Undertaker from Vengeance 2002 being particularly memorable for me. This wasn't nearly as good as that match, but you could still see the road agent's fingerprints all over it. The road agents were really good at creating a wave, and delivering enough high points that you're left thinking you saw a pretty good match. There were enough holy shit moments in this to satisfy the video game crowd, and the finish pushed the Angle/Lesnar storyline forward. I'm not really into Lesnar vs. Angle as much as I would have hoped heading into the 2003 footage, but this capped off a fairly successful debut PPV for Smackdown.
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This was a match that Cena was supposed to win, but Vince changed the plan on the day of the show. The match is okay. Taker was a fairly decent brawler at this point.. He gets a bloodied mouth and Cole keeps on harping on about Taker having internal bleeding. Junior Cena isn't the greatest worker, and I can't stand his J-Roc gimmick, but he was working hard at getting himself over. He could have used the rub from Undertaker here. I can understand Vince getting cold feet over jobbing Undertaker, but in the long run, who's going to remember Undertaker losing on a July PPV? Taker didn't gain anything from beating Cena. Apparently, people weren't happy about the decision internally. The finish is pretty weak. Cena doesn't even get some rub from it. I guess people were pissed at Vince for being a wet blanket.
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I was viewing it more along the lines of worker who never had the best match they possibly could, as opposed to wrestlers who never had a great match. I guess it's possible that Jake vs. Sawyer is the best match Jake could have possibly had. It's a bit of a futile exercise since it's left to the viewer's imagination.
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Revenge match. Cuts straight to the end of the first fall and takes a while to get into a groove. Atlantis takes on Ultimo and Rey by himself, which reminds me that Atlantis is one of the all-time greats at taking on multiple rudos at the same time. Which may not sound like much, but it's the kind of swashbuckling action that lucha was built on. Niebla and Universo have a decent tussle as well. We don't get as much GdI as the week before. No miracle carry jobs of Lizmark Jr. We'll see what sort of match Niebla and Universo can deliver. Looks like clipping has reared its ugly head, though. Not cool.
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This was really good up until the bullshit finishing stretch that reduced it to "just another match." I loved how they built the match from the crowd up, and worked at a slow, methodical pace, instead of giving the crowd the video game wrestling it wanted. There was a real old-school build to this that was comforting for an old fuck like me. When they did hit their signature stuff, they got nice pops. Then the malarkey began. The first part was "Cheat to Win" Latino Heat stuff, which is okay I guess. At least they went a beat or two beyond Eddie simply winning by hitting Benoit with the belt. It seemed like we might get a decent finish after all and then Rhino showed up and turned on Benoit. Not only is the wrestling like a video game, but the booking too. I swear it's like season mode on WWE SmackDown! Here Comes the Pain. If there's a reason why they don't talk about this one, it's probably because of the crap at the end. The one positive from the match is that Eddie continued to look strong.
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This had a hot finishing stretch, including an incredible nearfall where the crowd thought for all money that Mysterio and Kidman had won the tag titles. It also had the heels winning cleanly with an excellent maneuver. The body of the match wasn't anything special. It was better when Mysterio was in. Kidman has zero identity in the WWE. They should have let him keep the wifebeater and jean shorts. Generic guy in tights was a one way ticket to Palookaville. If I'd been a mate of Paul London's, I would have been like, "Bro, look what they'd done to Billy Kidman. You don't wanna go there." The hot finish made this seem like a much better bout than it really was, but kudos to them for pulling off that stunning nearfall.
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Pretty decent return match. Probably deserved to be on a pay-per-view instead of some random RAW where JR wasn't calling the match because Kane set him on fire. Instead, we get Coach calling the match, which gets annoying, quickly. I'm not a huge fan of this style of wrestling. I especially dislike some of the Steamboat/Savage pin attempts they do, which isn't a knock on Savage and Steamboat per se, but on workers who crib those spots. I like Jericho better against different opponents, but I totally get the dynamic they were going for, and why it might appeal to a large segment of the fanbase.
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How about Jake Roberts?
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This was a pretty decent trios considering they cobbled it together for Shocker/Vampiro undercard. Much better than the Atlantis vs. Wagner matches from the past few weeks. Never underestimate how good Ultimo Guerrero and Rey Bucanero are at delivering rudo beatdowns. When was the last time Lizmark Jr was this interesting? Has he ever been this interesting? I'm starting to think Rey Bucanero is some kind of genius. First Vampiro, now Lizmark Jr. Of course, Lizmark almost ruins it when he makes his comeback, but the seeds for another miracle job are there. They tease Atlantis vs. Ultimo here but don't deliver. That's cruel. A large part of the focus is on Niebla vs. Universo. Niebla is an interesting dude. At one point, he seemed inextricably linked to Shocker, but at this stage, their career trajectories couldn't be further apart. When he's on, he can be pretty entertaining and adds some much needed starch to the tecnico side, but you have to think that given his size, it's a disappointment to the promoters that he isn't a bigger deal. Match ends abruptly when Atlantis pulls off Universo's mask. That was deflating. I was enjoying the bout, and was in no mood for it to end so suddenly. It wasn't until the replays that I realized Universo pulled off Niebla's mask first. Still, a crappy finish. Fortunately, it looks like we have a return match leading to a Niebla/Universo title match. I can never understand why they do mask pulling/ripping in the lead up to a title match, but such are the vagaries of lucha libre.
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[2003-07-13-AJPW] Toshiaki Kawada vs Keiji Mutoh
ohtani's jacket replied to fxnj's topic in July 2003
Very good match. Surprisingly grounded, presumably because of their knee problems. I would have rated it even higher if not for some goofy selling from Mutoh. Was this supposed to set up Kawada vs Hashimoto? I would have been gutted when that was cancelled. I have to say that 2003 has been a much better year for Japanese men's wrestling than 2000-2002. It's the first year since the NOAH split where things are back on an even keel. Is it just me or does Mutoh's All Japan work hold up a lot better than you'd expect? -
I finished reading All-Star Superman. Personally, I thought it was kind of weird. I've read a lot of weird Grant Morrison stories, so you'd think that wouldn't be a problem, but I read that Morrison wanted to create a timeless Superman story and to me it kind of came across as a weird European arthouse take on Superman. Perhaps I would have enjoyed it more if I was familiar with the Silver Age stories that Morrison drew inspiration from, but I kind of felt like Alan Moore wrote better Silver Age homage stories prior to Crisis, and possibly later on with those Image characters (I haven't read that stuff yet.) I did like the overall portrayal of Superman. He was extremely likeable. I didn't care for the portrayal of Lois or Jimmy, though, and I didn't like how Quitely drew them either. I suppose I'm not a big enough Superman fan to truly love a series like this, but it show plenty of heart despite how strange it was at times.
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When do you think Raven should or could have been pushed as a top guy in the WWE? This whole thing sounds like Raven thinks he could've headlined a Wrestlemania. I feel as I'm putting more thought into this than Raven did. Are you asking us who we thought never had their best match, or for other examples of guys who might feel that way?
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I will try to watch Tito/Bockwinkel over the weekend.
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Yeah, Owen had the Bret match, but if he'd been a more ambitious worker, I doubt he would have felt it was *his* match, or the best he could do. It's possible that Arn could have had that sort of match, but so could everyone theoretically. If you look at Arn's career, I think it's pretty clear that it was unlikely to happen.
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I don't think we were meant to do much against England were we? It's not really the same side that won the Test championship. We had a couple of good sessions. England played a lot of positive cricket thanks to their New Zealand coach and captain Anyway, you lot get a turn now.
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Id like to know what Raven envisions as his best match, as I fail to see how he didn’t get the opportunities in ECW or ROH. I can only imagine his ideal is either something more than a brawl or an impossibly high standard. Does Raven have a self-depreciating view of his own work, or does he have an over-inflated opinion of himself as a worker? "I never had my best match" could mean a lot of things. It’s hard for me to imagine Regal having better matches than he did. I wonder how exactly they were supposed to be better. Seems like wishful thinking.
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Did he explain why he never had his best match? Perhaps he simply wasn't capable of it. He certainly had the opportunities. There are a lot of great workers that come to mind (Owen Hart, Steve Regal, Arn Anderson), who I don't believe were capable of more. Would I be surprised to discover a great match of theirs I haven't seen? No. Would I be surprised to discover their best match ever? You betcha. It's easy to imagine a mindblowing Tito Santana classic, but anybody can have mindblowing classics in your imagination. The reality is that they weren't having mindblowing classics and weren't likely to ever have them. Maybe if some promoter somewhere booked them as the centerpiece of the promotion, or they wrestled in a magical void where there were no limits to what they could accomplish, but a lot of great workers that are technically great can't work big enough to have the great of heralded matches we're talking about. I'm not sure you'd even want them do. Regal working a small match against another great worker or working a big match against Shawn Michaels? Which would you prefer to see?