Robert S
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I have not seen much Kojima pre 2000 and was surprised that he was doing his "ikuzo bakayaro" thing that early in his career.
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Did the Eliminators vs. MVC match turn out to be anything watchable? The short "Doc and Gordy" bits from Saturn from the Pulp Fiction interviews made a nice build up.
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There are so many failed McMahon-ventures that contradicts this assumption.
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[1996-09-17-ECW-TV] Tyler Fullington's 7th birthday
Robert S replied to Loss's topic in September 1996
I would really like to know if Tyler Fullington grew up to be a normal human being. Being the son of the Sandman and participating in stuff like this has to screw you up. -
Seriously? I would see that actually the other way around. I feel that Shamrock has a clear edge on the MMA side but his pro wrestling success was not on par with Lesnar's success. He was the #3 or #4 guy in PWFG for two years and in WWF had the rank for about half a year or so. Afterwards he was just a midcarder. Lesnar was one of the top two guys in WWE for 18 months or so and headlined a Wrestlemania (one that didn't draw well but that is still far better than any Shamrock main event).
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If being famous is a killer criteria for being in then I would guess there are several people worldwide which are not seriously considered Hall of Fame material. Otto Wanz would be one such name. He was a great self promoter who knew how be present in the media. I would assume every Austrian over the age of about 25 to 30 would know who he is. By the way: I would really like someone to make a depper analysis of pro wrestling on the continental part of Europe. If you look at the WON HOF ballot you would think that it just did not exist (Hoffmann is one because he wrestled in Japan and the US, otherwise he would just be ignored), but for example my father (who does not care about pro wrestling at all) can easily name 5 Austrian pro wrestling stars from the 50ies and 60ies, so it wasn't just around but had to be pretty big.
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I am currently going through WWF 1997 and the stuff so far is so hit and miss that is not even funny. For example yesterday I was watching the Feb. 24th Raw (ECW invasion episode). I guess most of the roster was touring Germany at that time and they had to fill the two hour time slot with a very thin roster. This gave us not just the surreal ECW invasion (who promoted Barely Legal in this show much better than WWF did with Wrestlemania) but they also booked a Sunny vs. Marlena arm wrestling contest without any backstory. Marlena no-selling the stretcher job (after the attack from Chyna) a week before was funny too.
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Is Dave's math bad? I certainly don't get that impression when listening to the podcast and he pulls some quick mental arithmetic when calculating, say, percentage changes. Bryan, on the other hand, seems to struggle with anything like that. I think I read quite a lot of complaints regarding the Hall of Fame voting (or rather the scoring) which is often simplified as "Dave's math sucks". But yes, I agree. Dave seems to be pretty good in mental arithmetic.
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My calculation above should indicate that 241 posts out of 2412 are about 10% and not 1%...
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Your post was the 2412th in the thread. Why don't you let us know how many of those have been about the current Dave-Dana issue? It would take 241 of them to reach a 1% threshold. John 241/2412 * 100 = ?And people are complaining about Dave's math.
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ECW also won two "Best Major Wrestling Show" awards (in 98 and 99), should that count too for Heyman? And I guess "Worst" awards won't count anyway, right? (December to Dismember)
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The question is not if Lesnar is willing to do a job or not but if he insists (or suggests) on doing it and the booking team / Vince takes that into consideration when booking the result of last night's PPV main event.
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Point 6 sounds ridiculous. Point 4+5 might work under the right circumstances, but I don't think last nights finish can be compared in the least with getting caught with a flash kneebar submission. Lesnar lost a WWE gimmick match in WWE blow-off fashion. There are other things not fitting this idea too: if somehow they make this story work they will have a (second) blow-off match which according to that story would be all about Lesnar, who would leave the WWE after that match. That would mean that they would put themselves in the same corner that they did with this years WM main event.
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They began Lesnar's PPV run with the blow-off match, this is Russo-booking 101. When has this ever worked in pro wrestling history? I cannot accept the finish as Lesnar slipping on a banana peel. Cena transitioned into offense using a chain shot and beat Lesnar with an AA on a gimmick. This is standard WWE gimmick match finish and not one guy being lucky. I mean I can see several possible reason for them putting Cena over: (1) They are afraid Lesnar will pull out of the deal sooner or later so get someone beating Lesnar while he is here. (2) They did not want to have Cena lose in two big PPV main events in a row. (3) Everybody expected Lesnar going over, so they did the opposite. To me only (1) is a valid reason for this finish.
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I haven't seen this match in probably 15 years but I can still remember how great the Samoan drop by Afa against the 1-2-3 Kid looked.
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Goldberg wrestling for All Japan was a big deal back in 02, so I would add at least one of his squashes (vs. Kea and vs. Kojima). Furthermore you are missing the July Tenryu vs. Kojima match, which was easily the best AJ match of that year.
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Some things never change: Wrestling Observer Nov. 21 1994 Wrestling Observer Jan. 9, 2012
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I am surprised that the Tenryu & Kitahara vs. Koshinaka & Kimura tag from October did not make this set as I remember it as being pretty great.
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Is there any reason that continental Europe is basically ignored other than Dave not knowing much about its history? I mean if Big Daddy is on the list is there any reason why Wanz shouldn't be too?
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Today's repost of a 94 newsletter contains a great satirical rant. Somebody wrote a letter asking "Is it true that The Ultimate Warrior died from a heart attack three years ago and that the WWF found a look-alike to replace the original?" Dave's reply contained such gems as "I think that Warrior rumor got started when someone played the album 'Bad Street USA' backwards and heard Michael Hayes say, 'Buddy is dead. I buried Buddy.'" and "I think people just assumed Ultimate Warrior died when they would regularly overhear WWF officials in 1990 when he had the title phoning the office after house shows saying, 'You should have seen the house tonight. Warrior is dead.' Either that or he was the only one bare-footed in photos for the 1991 Official WWF Calendar."
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Interesting that they showed Dillon. Was he visible more often on WWF television?
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In this version here you can cleary see Shawn argueing with Hebner while he is in Bulldog's chinlock.
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Someone should check on Dave, he may have suffered a stroke.
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I hope this set contains some of the absolutely random on air tryout matches WWF did to find some guys for their lightweight divison.
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This is the first thing on the set I was wondering why it made it. It's a seven minute version of their usual stuff to no crowd reaction.