Benbeeach

We never use this as a mark against Stone Cold. Maybe Sid was just a visionary. . . . and that Michaels Survivor Series match ALMOST made me vote Sid. He germans Shawn on the top of his head and it's as good a monster over top face title switch as there is. Count me as one of those "likes it because you're not supposed to" guys. Can know everything about what constitutes a good worker, solid hand, solid match, look at Sid, think he's cool and just not care. He was definitely an "IT" guy. I like Warrior for similar reasons, but even HE'S not as polarizing as Sid. Warriors a guy who had the decent to good working ability, when push came to shove, right opponent, right story, right circumstances. Just didn't utilize because he didn't have to. Was at worst, carriable. I don't know what the hell the Sid ceiling/basement was. Don't even particularly care. Sid is wrestling for better or worse. *Fist Bumps*

Just glad he's finally getting his just due. He was getting clobbered in 04 CZW 4 ways and was special then

Could easily see him missing a top 100 but I love 'em like a top 75 worker. Wouldn't have been for him lacking, just other wrestlers being better. Like others have said, the aura. As expressive a guy as I can ever remember who didn't talk and had his mouth and eyes covered. Had charisma, could brawl, could get down on the mat, could fly. He looks like everything that was wrong with indie wrestling on the surface but he was great. Also has got to get some points for making Davey Richards interesting and watchable. Didn't seem like much of a feat at the time, but hindsight being 20/20, that was all Dragon

. . . who hated Carm?

more or less this

Curious as to what wrestlers the board would classify as at the top right and bottom right of that chart. I appreciate Strand Peanut's posts in this thread.

kevlar, duh

Main event was just as good on the rewatch, finish and all

well, it looked like Roman was wearing Kevlar....so not sure if shotgun shells would put him down This is the kind of forward thinking prep work I want out of my top face

Also, as a guy who up to, maybe a couple days ago STILL couldn't believe it wasn't Danielson vs. Lesnar at the end of the day, what came out of the main, I am more than ok with. Vince doubled down and might have got 2 more stars out of this Mania than the one supernova he would have had with the predictable Brian return to the mountaintop. Brian is in a sense already made, and his return to the main event will not feel out of place at all when it eventually happens. It just might be alot more crowded when he does, and I don't think that's a bad thing in this situation. . . . chicken salad tastes good

Gonna rewatch the main, because I loved it as much as everyone else at the time, and I thought Reigns looked great, but for reasons that I'm not sure can ever be realistically recreated (and maybe he doesn't have to, the joy that is wrestlemania). If his greatest strength will ultimately be his selling (not the worst trait for a top face) there's no one that's ever going to maul him like that, for good and obvious reasons. And I didn't think his offense looked particularly good in a showy pro wrestling sense. It quite obviously looked like it hurt because any time he touched Brock he drew blood, but they weren't exactly show it to the back of the arena level strikes he was throwing. There are ways for it to look like it kills and have it be absolutely spectacular, Brock's top 10 ever clothesline being a shining example. I don't know if Roman's in real life Ambrose flurries are going to translate into anything sustained long term, but it worked yesterday. I say this as a guy not particularly down on Roman, nor super worried about mid match minutia like this 90% of the time. . . . also, after that? What puts Reigns down for kayfabe 1-2-3's? Shotgun shells? He took an on par Cena beating with ALOT more shine. (the obvious answer here is curbstomps)

Not going to lie like that Kane and Big Show picture doesn't look swank as fuck. And umm, call me crazy, but if Brock re-signs . . . like, can't Roman totally lose in the main event? I think an impressive loss would do wonders for him. Would lessen the blow back by a million, would make him look good going toe to toe with probably the best monster the companies ever had. Don't think anyone loses in that scenario. Shawn Michaels lost in 95, never really hurt him. Probably wasn't his time then anyway, the same way it isn't Roman's now. IDK, just a thought. Here's to Brock losing to one spear, and the crowd going wild in all the wrong ways

Still, now, all these weeks and months later, wondering how the hell we didn't wind up with Danielson vs. Brock? Were we all imagining that being the best possible match up? How is this not happening? . . . anyway, that's going to be Roman's best singles match for a while

If Punk can produce a medical record that says MRSA anywhere on it, doc's gonna have a rough time

Watched this the other day, still holds up. Corino and Taijiri do this really weird reverse David v Goliath thing that I can't really liken to any other match I've seen. Corino's comebacks were all well done. Taijiri when he does the buzzsaw combo to Cornio while he's laying on the table is one of the better go home sequences I've seen. It was OVER after that. Bright spot of ECW's dying days

CM Punk ROH 2003 Because the best ones are 75% real. Did it ever get this good in the WWE? Something tells me nope

Moral of the story, when you make it (made it) to the big time, it is in fact BIG TIME.

Wondering if some of the 2012 opinions of Hogan's actual talent level or lack thereof have changed or not. Some of them from pages 1 and 2 are pretty laughable.

The more I read, the more mind boggling it is that it ISN'T Bryan vs. Brock. I didn't think we were fantasy booking the whole time, I really thought it wrote itself. I don't know if I'm more intrigued or less intrigued now that it isn't. I'm almost glued to the fall out now. . . . also, not a lot of people made the connection from what I saw, but I think it's possible that the person least upset about all this booking is Bryan himself. As a guy who knows, at the end of the day, just being there and being seen as valuable in any sort of way, is defying the odds and a blessing of sorts, it's possible he just doesn't care. He's yet to fail, no matter the role. The journey he went on in 2013-14 was in large part the fans doing. He has never struck me as a rebel rousing stir up the pot "why aren't you booking me THIS way" sort of guy. The "the WWE didn't feed me as a kid" line is about as passive aggressive a CM Punk like quip Bryan is ever really going to muster. What if our hero has no fight left in him. what if he never really did

would be salivating if we got that exact roman vs brock promo at this exact same time last year. But circumstances are such . . .

This isn't necessarily sadder on the rewatch, but man, you hear the pop for brian, the legitmate top face eruption, and then see this again . . . man. It's one of the most baffling booking flubs in recent memory.

lol nah. He's someone I really wanted to like in early PWG as Super Dragons young lion. He looked the part. Had nice offense. But then he went to ROH, and I started to see him in longish matches where didn't always have a Dragon, or Styles or even Aries to reign him in and yeah, na, sorry. Some of my personal criticisms of him probably aren't even fair but idc, he's really not for me, and I really thought he would be 6,7-8 years ago, but he just isn't. He doesn't do the Go 2 Sleep, he does the "alarm clock." They aren't the British Bulldogs, they are the "American Wolves." Just some real groan worthy stuff. Something about diminutive wrestlers with short stumpy legs doing kick based offense . . . He probably IS the most unfairly criticized wrestler of our modern generation, but I mean whatever.

Remember at the time this being my MOTY, and close to my MOTD. Thought the hierarchy story in the match was as well done as it could possibly be done. But that was nearly 10 years ago and now I just feel old

Goldberg losing was the first blip in the radar for me as a kid. This was the nuke.

Always liked him as a guy who felt liquid as far booking was concerned. If pushed as an absolute monster, it was believable. If pushed as mid to lower mid carder, was fine as well. Was a good enough worker that I would have had no problems with him having bigger more meaningful matches after 2001, but the main event scene was crowded as all hell, and being just pretty good wasn't going to get a guy like rhyno a crack at the top. But for comparisons sake, I'd watch 2001 Rhyno 10x before I watch a ryback, reigns, swagger, rowan, you name it. And i don't actively dislike any of those guys, but that Rhyno in todays WWE would be a killer. He has the second best spear ever, for what it's worth, and Paul E and Joey's call on it . . . magnifique